Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

  • David GerardOPM
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    PURE PROMO: we’re doing a Pivot to AI patrons’ video Q&A on Thursday August 8, at 16:00 UTC

    also taking cryptocurrency questions

    like you know I answer any of you guys’ questions anyway, but this is in a much l33t3r format

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      Ugh, just reading the summary made me want to puke. What the fuck is wrong with those people. Who the fuck thinks that delegating the responsibility to computers is a good idea. Can’t they cope with the outcomes of their choices and need to outsource that responsibility to some magick software

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      wait wait wait wait this it not substack of some deranged fash techbro ghoul like balaji srinivasan, that’s JAMA, are you sure these are actual MDs and not three techbros in a stolen labcoat

      one of them - first author - has three fluff pieces on genai in similar tone to their name, the other two, it seems to me, didn’t wrote a thing about ai earlier

      then again scott siskind exists, but this is not something that i’d expect even from him

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          anything newer than 2022? won’t be on scihub, because scihub got in a court case in india, that they hope they can win and secure reasonably stable place where they can operate from

          tho it seems to me that the entire article is that three screens of text

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      1111 months ago

      that’s a linkedin-level take

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      It’s the same story as has ever been. “Smart People”'s position on anything is often informed by their current economic relationship wrt to the things they care about. And maybe even Yud isn’t super happy about his profession being co-opted. What scraps will he have if his own delusions became true about GPT zombies replacing “authentic voices”?

      No one is immune to seeing a better take when it’s their shit on the line, and no is immune from being in a bubble without stake.

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        I’ve read enough of the Yudster’s work to recognize that he is particularly vulnerable to being replaced by a small shell script that outputs a massive volume of text that says very little of substance, and what little there is is weirdly racist.

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          You are mistaken in my reasoning, I’m saying a person with a well paid university position (which gives him access to money and the university library, which I assume pays for access to their books/papers and doesn’t libgen or equivs them) should understand that a lot of training material is indeed not free. This being in addition to the university paying him for his own research, and him prob being pretty annoyed if he was replaced with an iSandberg bot and now was homeless. (This is in addition to what Yud said).

          Turns out making papers about replacing the earth with fruit is something Anders-GPT can do perfectly well on its own.

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            which I assume pays for access to their books/papers and doesn’t libgen or equivs them

            wrong assumption tbh. the open-access fight is happening because the publisher cartels are extortionate and access is extremely uneven. I (personally/directly) know more than a few people presently in academia who roll libgen on a daily basis because it is easier/quicker/the only option/the only actually working option for the things they need

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              it’s often easier to pirate the published version of your own paper than to access it by official means

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              Fair enough, my bad. No idea it had gotten that bad. But still, I wasn’t intending to rag on libgen, just his idea that these things (which also includes education) are free already.

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                if you want to get really mad, shibboleth “elsevier”. it’ll be a speedrun of learning some of the worst of what’s fucked atm

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      I’ve been under a rock with a bunch of life stuff so I only learned of this yesterday, and holy shit

      those snapshots from the earnings call are wild

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    This orange thread is about San Francisco banning certain types of landlord rent collusion. I cannot possibly sneer better than the following in-thread comment explaining why this is worthwhile:

    While I agree that the giant metal spikes we put on all the cars aren’t the exclusive reason that cars are lethal, I would hope we both agree that cars are less lethal when we don’t cover them in giant metal spikes.

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      Well, history sure does fucking repeat itself again, doesn’t it?

      At its low point, some computer scientists and software engineers avoided the term artificial intelligence for fear of being viewed as wild-eyed dreamers. (New York Times, 2005, at the end of the last AI winter.)

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        At its low point, some computer scientists and software engineers avoided the term artificial intelligence for fear of being viewed as wild-eyed dreamers. (New York Times, 2005, at the end of the last AI winter.)

        I expect history to repeat itself quite soon - where previously using the term “artificial intelligence” got you looked at as a wild-eyed dreamer, now, using that term’s likely getting you looked at as an asshole techbro, and your research deemed a willing attempt to hurt others.

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      This does suck for all the non-LLM ML stuff that has actual usage. (Even if a percentage of that was also snake oil, or had dubious success rates).

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        Ehh, if you’re calling your ML stuff AI then that’s on you (and you’re probably not technically serious about what you’re doing anyway). Other people are pointing out that AI isn’t a term that many compsci/software people would use, and neither the article (or afaict the study) or my experience suggest that ML has the same negative association as AI.

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          AI has been and always will be the term for making the computer play a game against you. A search tree with some prunning is not ML, but if you use it to implement a chess bot then it is AI in the game sense.

          If you’re not doing video games then the term is essentially meaningless

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    Rumor, but lol if true “A former coworker worked in campaigns for a while and the thing he told me about doing that which has stuck with me is that everyone on campaigns is doing insider trading on betting markets” Source. Campaigners making money scamming Rationalists basically.

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      I like how the advertisement’s URL opens with a fucking O_Q like even its unsettled by this shit

    • Steve
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      It’s like how can we make a depressing tamagotchi?

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      Forget the diss track person, I’ve tracked down the true origin of Friend:

    • Mii
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      Here’s Friend’s advertisement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Q1hoEhfk4 . The music choice and general vibe is… unsettling.

      This hast the same vibe as a trailer for shows like Black Mirror. I actually feel sad for the people they’re targeting with this, holy shit.

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      “It’s real! Premium domains are expensive, but it’s worth it,” Schiffman told me in an email after I reached out to ask if it was true.

      […]

      “People just don’t get consumer, I view this as saving money. Much less money needs to be spent on marketing, it’s a one time thing,” Schiffmann said.

      there’s an entire type of startup guy embodied by Schiffmann, and I can’t be the only one who’s met this type more than once

      The company advertises the device as “always listening” when connected to bluetooth. “When connected via bluetooth, your friend is always listening and forming their own internal thoughts. We have given your friend free will for when they decide to reach out to you.”

      presented without comment

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        We have given your friend free will

        Wow that was easier than expected, we can’t get philosophers to agree what that would even mean but it’s done folks

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      the ad alone should be a thread it’s the most insane thing I’ve seen in years

      the yt comments are brutal btw definitely check them out

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        The yt comments are indeed delightful

        Was the pitch what if A24 made commercials?

        MidsommAir

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    This new trend of describing the American right wing as weirdos sure is something, isn’t it? What used to be our little hobby has escaped containment, largely due to the surfacing of JD Vance and his backers during the RNC. As recently as last month, when NRx and Rationalist oddballs came up in a news item, the response of the average reader would be to shrug and dismiss them as a small minority of sweaty nerds and assume that “regular” Republican politicians wouldn’t have anything to do with them. Things have changed; now there’s many an NPR-loving granny googling “what is a yarvin” and getting wound up about it in her group chats.

    We’ve all heard of the Overton Window, which according to Wikipedia is, “the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time.” I therefore propose a new thing, the “Yarvin Window,” which we can define as “the range of insane policies that it is politically acceptable to ascribe to your ideological opponents.”

    This is the price they pay for grabbing the wrong end of the poo stick.

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      What amazes me, as a sort of US politics watcher from the outside, just how badly the various republicans weirdos are reacting to this. Esp Vance, posting his dolphin fucker stuff in the middle of the jokestorm about him being into furniture. But not just him, the GOP going ‘don’t be racist about Harris’ and then all the racists doubling down on their racism, etc etc. The weird lashouts re weirdness. “how dare you call me weird! Grabs calipers I can see from your skull shape that you are …”

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        If I had a nickle for every time I’ve heard about dolphin sex I’d have four nickles. Which isn’t much, but also is kind of a lot.

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    Here’s a quick and dirty vanilla js script that highlights all posts in a thread according to how recent they are, the brighter the newer, and alse separately highlights new posts, to make long running threads easier to follow. I’m posting it in the stubsack because it’s the thread I had in mind when writing it.

    Pasting it in the browser’s console and pressing enter should be enough for the page you have open, not that I’ve cross tested it any… Worst case scenario it does nothing or it colors the posts wrong and you just reload the page, I swear it won’t steal your crypto, or mine any new.

    In Firefox you can find the console by pressing F12 and selecting the console tab.

    edit: Also if you prepend javascript: to the code and store it as a bookmark you can just invoke it by calling the bookmark, like a macro, see https://awful.systems/comment/4173451

    Note: longer threads don’t load all comments at once, so you’ll have to rerun the script if you scroll down far enough.

    edit: fixed for Edge, because why wouldn’t it show dates differently there.

    edit: updated it to check if there’s a (xx New) notice in the post count in the OP and use the number to highlight the latest xx posts, i.e. all post made since the last time you were here. Change the value of variable newPostColor if you don’t like the lovely shade of lavender I picked. Depending on if edited posts are counted as new or not the count might be off, and like, what if there’s a new post that’s also been edited? Solving that seems to mean moving away from the warmth and comfort of the quick and dirty territory, and also is there a public philthy repository somewhere?

    edit: here’s how it looks in the SAP thread:

    edit: NEW: added some legibility changes and also consecutive executions now toggle old post highlights.

    Code now in spoiler:

    spoiler
    (() => {
        function getHighlightedColor(min, max, value) {
            const percentage = (value - min) / (max - min);
            return `rgba(0,0,255,${percentage})`
        }
    
        const newPostCount = (() => {
            const text = document.querySelector("span.fst-italic").textContent;
            return text.includes("New") ? parseInt(text.match(/\d+/)[0]) : 0;
        })();
        const newPostColor = "#783AFF";
    
        const timestampNodes = [...document.querySelectorAll("span.moment-time")]
            .map(x => {
                return {
                    Node: x,
                    PostBox: x.closest('.ms-2'),
                    Date: Date.parse(
                        x.dataset.tippyContent
                            .split('\n').at(-1)
                            .replace(/Modified |at /g, "")
                            .replace(/(?<=\d+)(st|nd|rd|th)/g, ""))
                };
            })
            .filter(x => x.PostBox != null)
            .sort((x1, x2) => x2.Date - x1.Date);
    
        const minDate = timestampNodes.at(-1).Date;
        const maxDate = timestampNodes.at(0).Date;
        const hl = (dt) => getHighlightedColor(minDate, maxDate, dt);
    
        timestampNodes
            .forEach((x, i) => {
                if (i < newPostCount) {
                    x.PostBox.style.backgroundColor = newPostColor;
                    x.PostBox.querySelector('.person-listing').style.textShadow = '1px 1px 0.75px #FFFFFF';
                    x.PostBox.querySelector('.comment-content').style.paddingLeft = ".5em";
                }
                else if (x.PostBox.style.backgroundColor == "") {
                    x.PostBox.style.backgroundColor = hl(x.Date);
                    x.PostBox.querySelector('.comment-content').style.paddingLeft = ".5em";
                } else {
                    x.PostBox.style.backgroundColor = "";
                    x.PostBox.querySelector('.comment-content').style.paddingLeft = "";
                }
            });
    })()
    
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      This is really cool!

      I was just thinking it would be cool to have something like RES’s ‘Previously Read’ feature that only shows the new comments, and everything else is darkened or collapsed. This does a similar thing though and it’s great for these weekly threads

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      In the spirit of “worse is better”, here is a ublock filter I just threw together to highlight all the comments less than a day old:

      ! Jul 31, 2024 https://awful.systems
      awful.systems##.comment article.comment-node :has-text("hours ago"):style(background-color:#7700AA)
      

      EDIT: fix bug with 1 hour and 20 minutes ago. regex is even worse is better.

      ! Jul 31, 2024 https://awful.systems
      awful.systems##.comment article.comment-node :has-text(/(hour|minute)s? ago/):style(background-color:#7700AA)
      
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        I love this but I don’t know if I have the same royal Grape Fanta energy in me. I think I’m on one of the alternate themes but I like #333333

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      other handy thing you can do: make a bookmark that has the URL be javascript:(function() { function bits go here} )();, and stick it in your bookmark bar

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        Yes, do this if your browser allows it, it’s way better. Just paste the code in the OP prepended by “javascript:” without quotes in place of the url and as far as i can tell it works.

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          I only now saw how badly the syntax on my post is fucked, that’s what I get for trying to snip things in a dodgy textentry rather than a real editor 😅

          leaving it up for posterity tho.

    • @[email protected]
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      that’s just “poors don’t deserve healthcare” what else

      otoh aren’t they going against their benefactors (old rich ghouls)?

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        Leukemia patients are always over-represented in their data because it’s so much easier to use the calipers on people with no hair.

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      oh man i’d forgotten St Rev, a favourite minor nrx from the mid-2010s

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        I’d never heard of him. His latest tweet is complaining about the left wing slant on his thread and he says that you can’t “get away from the culture war I guess”. Yet every fifth post below is a rage post about libs and lefties.

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          It’s like how all topics are either the cishet white standard quo or “political.” Raging about libs and lefties is standard quo and telling a dimwit they are a dimwit is “culture war.”

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      christ and it’s always the fucking bad-faith bullshit arguments. I bet if you pulled another dimension to the same fucking numbers there you’d instantly find some Rather Interesting correlations with income brackets, and if you pulled a dimension for care/spend class you’d find Another interesting correlation

      I wish these people just fucking wouldn’t, gah

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      Possibly anti-universal-healthcare fearmongering. This stat’s been going around US conservative circles. And I even typed that before seeing the thread ended with:

      Remember the lopsidedness of health spending and need when talking reform.

      “Dear healthy people: don’t let the sickly suck away all your money”

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      Okay first of all what the fuck is a TP0? I swear you guys just make those people up and they’re lazier and lazier written each time.

      Second, what’s the point here? Like, is either of the tweets making a point? Cause it just sounds like someone discovered why universal healthcare is a good idea? The fact that spending is so unequal is quite literally the entire point in favour of having universal insurance?

      Also

      1% is responsible for 24% of medical expenses

      Now do how much of the population gets 24% of the income :)

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        TP0 is the OSI connection-mode transport layer protocol’s transport protocol class 0 duh.

        Transport Protocol Class 0 (TP0), the simplest OSI transport protocol, performs segmentation and reassembly functions. TP0 requires connection-oriented network service.

        (source)

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        I thought it meant “thread poster zero” because I never really understood the order in which one reads tweets and replies, so when I saw “TP0”, three frames later I already deduced an entire vocabulary of terms to designate each persona in a twitter screenshot

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          from the top down with either dfs or bfs depending on how you found the thread to spread, or from the inside out (by clicking through QTs until you get to the root). because twitter totally made browsing this shit easy.

          what’s hard.

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        Cremieux used to post to Reddit as user Tr***yPornO (with the slur instead of the asterisks). Nobody here wanted to call him that, so it was rapidly abbreviated TPO or TP0. He posted the same breathtaking racist shit with low quality cites that didn’t check out as he has since. He also told all manner of inconsistent lies about who he was.

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          Speaking of breathtaking racism with low quality cites, does anyone remember ebola chan? He was my favorite because he was a reactionary with 4chan temperament, so he’d mald when pushed instead of spewing out word salad.

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          At least he wears his kink proudly, not many rightwing weirdoes would just admit they’re really into that.

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            I wouldn’t be too quick to conclude it’s that - I’ve seen a number of these creeps wear/handle-pick slurs as a trying-to-be-funny pejorative

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              Oh I’m sure he’s trying to be edgy, but in that case there’s nothing that would trigger him more than what I’ve said :>

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      It’s been 3 days, my hope that this is real is fading :(

      Musk will always own that hilariously disturbing baby roleplay Twitter alt though

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      this is the first thing i see on lemmy this week and i think it’s already enough internet for me today, basilisk have mercy

      also musk’s downfall probably started the moment he became buddies with thiel

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        even failed to kill him in his dumb vanity car purchase, i mean

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          The upshot of this is that if acausalrobotgod ever gives us a time machine, you just need to plant one tree on your way to killing hitler, and you solve so many problems.

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            Maybe there’s an easy way to prevent apartheid in South Africa entirely? That alone led to so many waste-of-oxygen white dudes, we could nip Musk in the bud and much more