Reddit as a company is just so full of shit. “We’re so threatened by the fact that we can’t make money off of your subreddit that we’re going to threaten you.” Like?? All of this could have been avoided if they had just had reasonable pricing for their API. They’re just driving themselves into the ground.
Reddit’s entire business model is based on convincing people to do 99% of the community management work for free by telling mods they can run their communities however they want. Then the moment those mods (who, again, are doing valuable work for zero pay) try to actually run their community however they want Reddit says “no, not like that”.
A lot of mods want to hold on to the little bit of power that being a mod gives them. Because if not, and if you could get mods to just stage a massive walkout, Reddit would be well and truly fucked without their slav— unpaired staff.
I know right I don’t get it. Now they don’t even get a lower price income due to a lower price, they get nothing from 3rd party apps. And they are loosing a chunk of their community and traffic base.
I told them to get their heads out of their asses, in those words. We’ll see how that goes. I bet they don’t.
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I have yet to be threatened for setting it on in 3 different subreddits with over 1million subs each. I’m pretty sure they don’t have a simple way to log when a subreddit was changed from sfw to nsfw so they really don’t know which subs have done it as protest vs which were like that before. It’s only the top50 subscriber subs that seem to be getting any attention and it’s because media and userbases are making shitloads of noise to alert the admins to it.
I expect they’ll do some database queries or w/e eventually but they don’t seem to know who to go threaten yet.
They’re definitely threatening the big dogs first, over time they’ll come for the smaller subreddits, though 1 million subscriber subreddits probably aren’t as important as the “defaults”.
Same thing happened with the “Open up” modmail. Small subreddits stayed closed until it was their turn.
Our sub has 77k subscribers and we got the threat.
Huh, weird. I wonder how they’ve been tracking this then. We essentially made no announcements and have said nothing about it. Just did it quietly.
It was a fun run but sadly Reddit Admins have the only thing that matters now… power. They will ban everyone in their way and replace them with some puppet or someone who doesn’t care about the api fiasco. Most of them will cave in. They have no choice, because they don’t hold any real power to attempt a coup. You know who should quit? Users. But they obviously don’t care about the cause enough. Imagine if everyone quit for a month …
I care. Charging for high API use wasn’t an unreasonable move in principle, just, the details were bullshit and it got rolled out in a totally donkey brained way. But that wasn’t necessarily a deal breaker for me in and of itself. I stopped using reddit because of the temper tantrum & threats that the admins threw at mods and their coordination efforts.
And anyway it’s death by a thousand cuts. Over time, all these little changes to the platform slowly make it worse for the user. The big social media companies have completely lost touch. They’re more concerned with these abstract concepts like engagement and growth, instead of focusing on nurturing a good place for users to be. Well, what do they think? That the users are hostage? That we can’t leave?
I hope nobody forgets how the CEO of reddit tried to slander Apollo’s creator saying he tried to blackmail them for millions of dollars, and then evidence was brought that showed he is a liar (didn’t realize the call was recorded)
Or that he modded the jailbait subreddit.
Lots of good reasons to bag on Spez, but this isn’t one. That was way back in the day when anyone could be added as a moderator without consent.
Yes, but he chose to stay listed as a moderator there. That’s consent.
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Fair cop.
It’s kind of reflective of the world right now - USA probably. Those in power are happily steamrolling the rights of disenfranchised people for money, while said people simply grumble but only change the channel. As long as there’s streaming, they stay in their lane.
Should be out in the streets!
All these people saying “who cares about Reddit” (or Twitter, or Threads, or whatever else) are also missing the fact that we live in a society and these platforms matter, politically speaking. If we allow them to become (or remain) fiefdoms for rich fucks to spread misinformation, that can have real-word detrimental effects for us no matter how much we try to ignore the platform. Don’t forget that this shit is happening just before the 2024 US presidential election, for example. Do we really want to be tolerating a Reddit-turned-into-Voat right about now?
It isn’t enough just to leave Reddit; it needs to be destroyed, too.
Realistically, if all of the TPA-users quit, Reddit would not notice such a huge difference. I came from Reddit and used RIF for like 10ish years, and not going back to Reddit now. Most users don’t care about the API change other then that some of their subreddits where down for 2 days. TPA combined had like 15(?) million users (on android) and the official app had like 100++ million users?
Seriously. At this point it’s becoming delusional; the idea that TPA users have any impact on the outcome of the site as a whole is ludicrous.
Be glad Lemmy exists and move the fuck on.
Imagine if everyone used something like https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite to edit, then delete, their comments first?
Then ran it a few more times across a week or so, changing the edit message each time?
Sorry if I’m being dense, but what would be the point of that?
The value of reddit is in the content posted, and discussed, by the users. Help requested and given in the form if user posts/replies.
If you edit and delete your content then reddit losses value. Edit to ensure that the backup doesn’t contain the old content, delete to remove it.
Do it a few times just to make sure.
@dvdnet90 So, where there should I dump my porn? For the cause, of course.
I just decided to abandon Reddit. It’s not worth it at this point with all the bs that’s happened in the past, and now this stuff too - what’s the point.
I’ve been having fun actually looking for new communities and new websites/technologies again. Made me feel like a kid again first discovering message boards
Or else I’ll removed myself from Reddit
Respect mah authoritaah, lol
“We demand the unpaid volunteers that aren’t listening to us to do as we say or we will find new unpaid volunteers who will replace you and spend their free time deleting posts and comments!”
"Also ignore that fact that it’s been two weeks and we still can’t find unpaid volunteers for /r/interestingasfuck "
The fact that some people are actually willing to take that offer is both hilarious and sad.
I get why people do it, I don’t get why people would do it to take over existing large subs in that mess.
Wanting some control over a community you care about makes total sense. You put in the time, and you foster the kind of people and content you are interested in.
Playing whack a mole in the current environment on reddit seems like a nightmare to me.
Even if reddit reverse all their decisions from last 3 months I’ll still not go back to it.
Yeah. I mean why would someone? This place is growing leaps and bounds.
It’s really impressive how Lemmy/kbin have totally replaced reddit for me pretty painlessly. Any time Ive checked reddit out of FOMO, the content is far worse, and the comments are horrid.
I am dealing with involuntary muscle memory. It’s one thing to remove Apollo, it’s another to fire up Edge and resist the unconscious typing of Reddit.com right away.
Lol damn. Yeah it’s harder on desktop.
If you want to be fun you could do a little hosts file editing and have it take you to Lemmy when directly typing “reddit.com”.
Or to pornhub.com. Accidentally bringing that up at work a few times should do the trick.
Leaving Reddit for other communities sparked an interest in trying other things like (new to me) search engines and web browsers. Having those new icons on my home screen forces me to click in different places and form new muscle memory. Maybe you can reorganize all of your apps on your screen/desktop or use a new web browser to force a little pause before you start typing.
I only opened reddit on desktop when I was writing a longer post and couldn’t be arsed to do it with the mobile keyboard. As soon as RIF was gone, I quit.
The Memmy client on iOS convinced me, essentially same Apollo experience with a nicer and more informed community. Seems like everyone who actually participated on Reddit is moving here
I alternate between Memmy and the web client. Memmy is excellent but the web client is remarkably good on its own. And I agree, the people posting content seem to have moved.
It’s still missing a lot of the more niche communities. Most of the game communities I frequent are still almost entirely on Reddit
I’ve watched this place explode since Monday, this is just the beginning
Man I hope so, Lemmy is doing better than Mastodon since you need a much smaller critical mass of users to make the place usable but I’m still waiting on several communities before I can actually cut off Reddit completely (though losing 3rd party apps has massively reduced time spent there)
Videogame subreddits are the only reason I use Reddit now especially Indiegames and patientgamers, so I used the ReVanced Patcher to patch RiF, so I don’t have to use their shitty app.
There are patientgamer communities on the Threadiverse now, of which the most-active seems to me to be the one on sh.itjust.works.
I’ve been looking into that myself, but also would like to cut Reddit off completely since it’s dedicated to enshittification now. I also have no faith that the workaround will keep working as long as spez is an asshole
I still skip over to Reddit occasionally to check out some of the more niche ones out. But some of them have either really turned bad since they came back from protesting or weren’t that great in the first place and I didn’t realise.
For instance I used to go on r/AndroidGaming a lot to find decent games for my tablet. But it’s a really repetitive sub with virtually the same questions, same answers, same plugs for shitty games every day.
It wouldnt change anything, anyway. Theyd change it all back as soon as they got closer to the IPO
I just deleted my Reddit account today. Don’t plan on ever going back, especially given how well Lemmy’s community has grown.
Let me get this straight. They do the work for free, and are upset you took their tools. You then tell them open the subreddits or we open them for you. So they do that, and change some rules, now you’re upset and telling them how to moderate their subreddits. Like seriously Reddit. Why not just moderate the subreddits yourself?
You have people who have given you FREE WORK for decades, they have increased the value of your site, and they’re justifiably angry, and all you’re doing is shitting on them more.
What a fucking joke. I know this won’t directly affect the IPO but I hope some companies are looking at this and realizing that Reddit admins have made all of this so much worse.
If every mod that didn’t agree with Reddit simply quit at the same time, the site would go to hell.
My advice to mods is to create a new community here and tell the community before Reddit nukes the mods. If the people know where to go, it won’t be as hard on the community itself and lemmy gets more content.
I think it’s too early to tell how it will affect the IPO - with valuation already cut drastically by Fidelity earlier and very much ongoing contention from the community (just took a look at r/pics and r/interestingasfuck, wow), they aren’t really going to be entering in the position they could have without these recent poor decisions.
I hope you’re right… I hope it’s true, I hope this hurts them, because this is what they deserve.
But I also know share holders care about the money, so if they can show their decisions have made them more profitable, fuck the outrage, full steam ahead.
And eventually the protests will stop somehow.
At this point if I were a moderator I would just remove all NSFW tags and allow unmarked NSFW content, like just to fuck with spez, instead of John Oliver we just post NSFW content on every community and the mods do nothing
The problem is that’s probably a site wide rule and will get admins to remove the users, (and potentially moderators removed).
But I like how you’re thinking.
Not really, they’re not removing the nsfw tag from the cyberpunk sub, and people are posting nudes to justify the tag
instead of John Oliver we just post NSFW content
The two are not mutually-exclusive.
Seems like a healthy company that’s ready for an IPO.
I’m sorry, but any mod that gets a message threatening them like that and stays on has zero self respect. It’s a volunteer job for god’s sake!
It’s not really about self-respect or they would have never started modding. It’s something they felt was important at the time and likely still feel their contributors are worth sticking around for a while. It may take some a little longer to move their community over here but it will happen in the next few months. Reddit is making it very difficult to continue.
The problem is if you leave, someone else comes in, takes it over and can’t do anything to annoy the admins.
At this point the mods are just tanking, and finding new ways to become problematic. Which hopefully people will see. The admins had an easy way to make this work and instead they are just struggling to keep up with this bullshit.
The only option I see is for users to overwrite their comments and for mods to delete their subs if they don’t come to an agreement.
I’m still giving them time, but sooner or later I’ll change my comments and delete my subreddits (even they’re just small ones).
You can’t delete subs, only set them private, and then reddit just appoint new mods to open it up again.
Hoping any that are still staging protests are doing it to keep the mess visible to remaining users, current staff & potential investors. Reddit cannot retain any one of those without the other two.
More and more of these communities are going to see the grass is actually greener on the other side once they’ve had enough of Reddits nonsense.
When Apollo lost access I thought “I’ll try out lemmy” and I’ve been so happy with the change of mix of posts that I’m much happier here.
Feels like when I started using Reddit a decade ago, in a good way. Reddit shifted subtly enough that I didn’t even realize how little I was enjoying the content.
I wonder how many other people would have been relatively happy moderating communities, posting content and comments, had Reddit just not been evil.
I agree 100%. I tried Lemmy and Mastodon not very long ago out of curiosity and now I’m in the process of deleting my other social accounts. I didn’t realize how little I actually engaged with Reddit and Twitter until I started doing so here.
Same experience. Jumped when Apollo stopped working and haven’t looked back
I can’t believe it’s taking them this long.
It’s not really, most of the good ones are here already and some are here and finishing up on the other site.
