A cookie notice that seeks permission to share your details with “848 of our partners” and “actively scan device details for identification”.
We all have a fundamental right to privacy, which is constantly violated. Not just on a daily basis, but on a minute by minute basis.
But to play devil’s advocate for a moment to assuage some FUD around posts like this, how many of the absurd amount of cookies overlap in otherwise innoculous ways. For instance, product tracking cookies. Say you bought a pumpkin on Amazon, and that drops a gorde cookie, a pumpkin spice cookie, a cornucopia cookie etc.
That’s certainly not the same as buy a pumpkin, track your location around the nearest pumpkin patch, read your grandma’s emails about pumpkins, and collect information to determine your likelihood of buying another pumpkin based on your sexual orientation.
The latter certainly exists, but does anyone know much about the former? How prevalent would they be in that 850?
If trackers are disabled, some content and ads you see may not be as relevant to you.
Oh, the horror! (Not that we’ll be seeing ads anyway.)
Back in the early 2000s, we were promised that the magic of ads online would be that they are always relevant and not terrible anymore. This is why the targeting and tracking was valid to do.
It never happened. Not for a moment.
“some content and ads you see may not be as relevant to you” is what we in mathematical logic call a vacuous truth.
which part is the (false) antecedent, and which part is the statement?
If you’re looking for a never true anticedent reason that “some content and ads you see may not be as relevant to you” is vacuous, that would work if they had an ad browser that was 100% effective on the site in question.
If you’re looking for a never true anticedent for “If trackers are disabled, some content and ads you see may not be as relevant to you.”, it’s that you can’t disable all trackers with a cookie dialog because of the “necessary cookies” blanket exemption, the too many tick boxes to use “legitimate interest” loophole, and that most websites use “fingerprinting”, meaning they reference you not by your cookies but by the worryingly extensive information they get automatically about your browser’s version, settings, capabilities and features, and of course IP address. So it’s never true that trackers are never disabled.
What the Wikipedia article doesn’t explain well in my view, is that logically, “if A then B” means “B or not A” for short, or more explicitly, “in all circumstances, at least one of B, or (not A) , is true”. This is vacuously (emptily) true if B is always true or A is always false, because it’s not genuinely conditional at all.
So I suspect that they meant it was vacuous, not on the grounds that the anticedent could never be true, but that the consequent could never be false. Like “If you give me $10, the sun will rise tomorrow”. In this case, all they need to assert is that “some content and ads you see may not be as relevant to you” is true irrespective of whether trackers are disabled, which is almost certainly what they meant.
I’m curious that the Wikipedia article says the base case in an induction is often vacuously true, but I think they mean trivially true, like cos(1x) + sin(1x) = (cos x + sin x)^1, not vacuously true. I couldn’t think of any induction proofs where the base case was literally vacuous except false ones used for teaching purposes, probably because I could only think of induction proofs of absolute rather than conditional ones. Probably there are mathematical fields where induction is used for conditional statements a lot that I’m forgetting.
In this case, all they need to assert is that “some content and ads you see may not be as relevant to you” is true irrespective of whether trackers are disabled, which is almost certainly what they meant.
Ah I see. Thanks for the detailed writeup
That doesn’t include the partners of their partners
I blame all these polyamorous relationships with barely any rules.
Remember when they passed laws protecting our library and video store rental histories instead of letting data brokers hoover up every song you listen to and every news article you read?
If you’re referring to the US’ Video Privacy Protection Act, it was passed only because it slightly embarrassed a Supreme Court nominee.
So for there to be half-decent online privacy laws in the US, first someone will have to leak Clarence Thomas’ Pornhub search history or something like that.
Check out the Snowden movie. That’s so much worse.
848 partners? Damn I hope y’all got tested.
Now name them all.
I think you actually usually can get them to list them all, never much interested, they’re all going to be completely random names you never heard of, just so long as I can reject them all, that’s all I care about, otherwise I have to browse a different website on principle.
I feel there’s inflation over the word ‘partners’
STD: site-transferred data
Alternative if the first one doesn’t tickle your fancy.
https://github.com/cavi-au/Consent-O-Matic
Yea because I want a news site to have my precise geolocation data.
If the partner count is larger than the number of bananas I can imagine being in a bunch I decline cookies. If I can’t disable performance or targeting cookies I decline cookies. These are my rules
I decline cookies.
I push away the plate and slap the butler
I switched to cookie allowlist, and manually add the sites I want to remember me. I don’t want to play the cookie game anymore, period. The only reason they ask is because legally they have to, and even then they do the bare minimum and use dark patterns to make it as hard as possible to decline cookies.
No more cookies for anyone, should have used them responsibly in the first place.
😮🤔 gotta do that as well
til I can only imagine 0 bananas in a bunch
Don’t worry bro, its just me and 2000 of my closest friends. Totally legit.
World’s nosiest polycule
They like to watch.
Me: *logs on to their website*
Them:
This is for legal reasons mostly. They don’t think anyone reads this so they went for the most blunt and transparent language, which also gives them the most legal certainty. The banner is missing the reject all button though, which in Europe is seen as required by many of the privacy regulators.
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Why did you edit your comment? At least own it.
Big oof here. Maybe make sure you understand what you’re talking about before criticizing others?
You underestimate people’s laziness and their burn out. An extra click to reject all is an extra click people won’t bother with. I literally used to go all the extra steps to reject these things, even when a reject all button was not provided. Plus I’ve found that sometimes the reject all button doesn’t actually reject all, and there are a few hidden settings still left to uncheck. It’s ridiculous. It should be 1 click, just like hitting accept is 1 click. The ease of use should be 1:1. I was getting burned out by those extra clicks and all that manual checking that took like 20s-2mins of my time. That adds up. All to read a single paragraph on some website? Bruh. Used to do this until I discovered ublock origin has settings that can be used to block cookie consent forms.
To you, one extra click is no big deal, like a paper cut of inconvenience. To me, it’s the thousandth papercut I’ve received. I am tired of it.
How is it nonsense?
The EU law is that the reject all should be exactly as easy as the accept all button. 1 extra click, however minor of an inconvenience it is, is extra effort. And therefore strictly speaking in violation of the law.
Nothing will ever happen but it’s valid criticism.
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It is.
It’s truly crazy how much our information gets shared these days and how long it lingers.
My house spent a few years as a rental. I still get mail from people who haven’t lived here in over a decade (despite deliberate efforts to stop it).
My grandpa signed up for ever “store card” you can imagine to get all the deals and rewards programs. His landline virtually never stops ringing… On August 5th alone he got, no joke, 43 spam calls (I have his landline hooked up to Jolly Roger Telephone to try and filter some of this out and help him out, so I’m forming that statistic off of the emails from them).
It’s completely ridiculous and all of it needs to stop.
Is it really so hard to copy and paste the text? Down voted. Don’t do that again.
oh hell naw not this terrible communist instance
Who the hell asked you?
Privacy Notice
We and our 848 partners store and access personal data, like browsing data or unique identifiers, on your device. Selecting “I Accept” enables tracking technologies to support the purposes shown under “we and our partners process data to provide,” whereas selecting “Reject All” or withdrawing your consent will disable them. If trackers are disabled, some content and ads you see may not be as relevant to you. You can resurface this menu to change your choices or withdraw consent at any time by clicking the [“privacy preferences”] link on the bottom of the webpage [or the floating icon on the bottom-left of the webpage, if applicable]. Your choices will have effect within our Website. For more details, refer to our Privacy Policy. Cookie Policy. Ways we may use your data:
Actively scan device characteristics for identification. Use precise geolocation data. Develop and improve services. Create profiles to personalise content. Measure advertising performance. Use limited data to select advertising. Use limited data to select content. Use profiles to select personalised content. Create profiles for personalised advertising. Measure content performance. Use profiles to select personalised advertising. Understand audiences through statistics or combinations of data from different sources. Store and/or access information on a device.
List of Partners (vendors)
Is it really so hard to
copy and paste the textlook at the image? Down voted. Don’t do that again.is it really so hard to look at the image
Uuuuuuuh… Have you considered that there are people who have problems with their eyes or are outright blind?
Don’t be an ass again.
Dictation apps have trouble with text in images, which is tough for people with impaired vision
😮so there is really no OCR in those dictation apps 🤯? Is there a OCR API in iOS? If so, it should not be too hard integrating it into an app 🤔 I assume
That seems like a lemmy limitation that probably needs worked on (i.e. prompting for alt text for images so apps can just read the alt text and folks are reminded to think of it).
EDIT: It’s been brought to my attention that the Lemmy server software actually does support alt-text … but I’m not sure how prevalent this is with clients (I don’t remember ever seeing a prompt for it).
For blind peope, yes. Asshole. This is why we have rules against posting images of text.
There are nicer ways to say this.
“For the sightly impaired, indeed my good chum! Tis the crux of why we uphold our most sacred vows in the context of textual imagery.”
I’m colorblind for what it’s worth and I don’t go around yelling at people for making badly colored charts I can’t understand in the rudest way possible.
The image captures the web page design / the cookie banner, it’s more than “just the words” so for a non-blind person “just post the text” is actually arguably a downgrade.
I mean this is literally the purpose of alt text, so that you can share an image and its description (which in this case should contain all the text from the image) and screen readers can do their thing.
I actually didn’t realize their was support for alt-text. The clients I’ve used the few times when I’ve posted images … I don’t recall even prompting for alt text.
Even without direct support for alt text, you can achieve the same result by posting it all in the post body.
But you should, since there are accessibility rules against low contrast.
Just because there’s a “rule” that exists somewhere in the abstract, that doesn’t mean folks should assail people for innocent mistakes. It’s also not a rule of this community. It’s not a rule of the instance this community is a part of. It’s most definitely not a rule of “the platform.”
In fact, these the W3C (the body most people are seemingly citing as a source for rules) isn’t even calling their “rules”, rules. They call them “guidelines” https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/.
Ya, I’m colorblind, but you’re probably not and you probably didn’t think about it. You’re just some random person on the internet, you’ve probably got plenty of other things to worry about than hunting down the latest WC3 publication on accessibility.
To be clear, I do let folks know if there’s a chart I’m interested in reading that I can’t read, try to give feedback about colorblind relevant stuff, etc. (literally last night I was on the Deadlock forums giving Valve accessibility feedback). I just do it in a “matter of the fact” fashion and try to explain what I’m struggling with rather than with an attitude and command that they change something without any context.
You don’t have OCR in your eyes 😮? Or do you use a screen reader, there must be screen readers that can OCR, tho, or are there none?
Accessibility standards require us to not put text in images. Its not hard to copy and paste the text.
What standards?
W3C is the big one that I know
But surely there’s others as well
