Now do American politicians when an elementary school is attacked by a gunman.
There’d be nothing for the top box.
When a trans person is on a beer can:
When an elementary school is shot up for the 5th time this week by a gunman:
So many people here who don’t understand why people are able to criticize more than one country be like:
A: “Tell me the difference between these pictures:” || xor
B: “They are the same”
I remember articles in the early 00s about how China wouldn’t allow Google to operate there and a big deal was made about “the great firewall of China” and how it was all about censorship, but now that China has an influential internet service, US congress is demanding they hand over ownership of US operations to a US company.
Xenophobia (from Ancient Greek ξένος (xénos) ‘strange, foreign, alien’, and φόβος (phóbos) ‘fear’) is the fear or dislike of anything which is perceived as being foreign or strange.
The same fearmongering would’ve happened to American social media apps if it wasn’t for that sweet sweet data the US government is able to get.
Their politicians are geriatric boomers. Biden can barely make sense on his phrases when he speaks. Just let the USA implode
its almost like foreign governments collecting information about your population is a bad thing for your people and your government, or something.
It’s worse for the US to have my data as a Canadian than China. America can come for me, and my country would hand me over. China can’t do shit to me.
America would lose all standing in global politics and the global economy if they invaded Canada without very strong reason. If the US started a war with China tomorrow, half the world, Canada included, would either do nothing or join them.
They’re talking about extradition
Wtf does that have to do with anything? Were talking about large scale spying not infringing on American copyrights.
… And when they are spying, and see something they don’t like, they CAN come for me. Canadian government won’t stop them.
I don’t want a shitty country like America to spy on me. Sorry. America is not as great as Americans act like it is.
Like I’ve said, I want no one to spy on me. But if I had to pick, I’d pick China because it makes me safer. Not because I’d like it. I wouldn’t. Fuck spying.
Yeah, the US is really gunna come after you because…? Right, there is no way your government would give you over without actual evidence.
It seems like you don’t understand the point.
I also think it’s really weird that Americans are applying to me being really defensive over other countries not preferring to give America all their data.
Like I said, America isn’t as great as Americans think it is. The rest of the world doesn’t want their data funneled into America. I’m sorry if this is how you’re finding out that America isn’t number one.
I’m really not trying to be a dick or argue, I just don’t get how you don’t understand the basic concept that Canada will hand me over to the US, but won’t hand me over to China.
It’s also frustrating that you guys think that if I don’t agree with America having my data, that I love China? I don’t. Never said I did. I hate both places having my data. I hate my own country having my data. It’s not all black and white.
To be fair, they haven’t exactly stepped in where the activities of Chinese applications are concerned. They just keep threatening to do so.
See Montana
American politicians don’t need social media to invade peoples privacy. The patriot act sealed the deal a while ago. If they want to spy, they’re going to.
I should also add that the whole tik tok ban is just a way to toss in extra laws that give the America government more control. They say it’s about tik tok, but it’s a scapegoat to get people to vote for invasive laws.
God I was hoping the Tankys wouldn’t run here full speed after reddit shut down, but looks like that ship already sailed.
This just in, American realises no one outside of America actually likes America!
You think you’re all that and a bag of chips, but quite frankly the rest of the world is laughing at you and doesn’t want anything to do with you.
When you’re faced with that, you call everyone a “tankie”. Almost like people can hate both America and China. Both countries are dog shit.
Here, take my Lemmy gold kind stranger 🪙
That’s a vast generalization as well. I’ve met plenty of people outside the US that like it
Certainly hope you’re not getting the impression that I’m speaking in favor of China. I’m more in favor of equal outrage over invasions of privacy from all parties, foreign and domestic.
Whataboutism is a classic way to invalidate an argument without having to disagree with it directly. You’re engaging in that purposefully or not. If you really agree that both are bad why would people shitting on TikTok upset you at all?
You should probably check your shit before replying - Lemmy was created and has been maintained by VERY left leaning people.
ooh I get to block another tanky
Are you a child? Because that’s what I’d expect of someone who calls anyone a “tanky” for getting their bullshit pointed out.
Privacy rights are only a suggestion nowadays. It’s pretty sad.
America is guilty of everything Americans accuse China about.
This is implicitly an argument that Tik Tok should be banned.
Sure, but they at least pretend to care. When Google steals my data, they pretend to not have it. When China has my data, literally anybody can have my data.
Ya, but when America is in control it’s okay. /s
It’s like picking on a younger sibling.
It’s okay when you, the older sibling, do it. But when a stranger does it, you kick their ass.
Can’t we just say that both are bad?
I think that is generally the point?
Often Americans point to china as big bad for shit America is actively doing as well, while pretending America is so great. They both fucking suck. They both want to be the major super power and to do so they both do horrible shit to their own people, people in other countries, entire other countries, both extremely capitalistic, etc.
politicians are actively talking about banning tiktok. let me know when they do the same for twitter, instagram, reddit, facebook, tinder, youtube, google, amazon, and every other US site that does the exact same snooping that tiktok does. THEN we can say “both are bad”.
I think you’ve got it backwards. If we can’t acknowledge that both are bad before talking about banning them, then what justification do we have for banning them?
We should be saying both are bad. We need much stronger, EU like privacy laws.
And how would privacy laws be applied to TikTok, which is outside the jurisdiction of these laws?
The only way to get TikTok to have any privacy policies at all is by threatening to block them.
Which is what’s happening.
TikTok isn’t outside of that jurisdiction, they are operating in places like the US. If they violate privacy laws, you remove them from accessing that market
Not on the mass media.
Mass media are at their core propaganda tools. Their mission is to further the agendas of whoever finances them, they are not driven by the pursuit of truth, justice or anything related such as the defense of privacy.
True but also true: you are comparing multinational corporations to the Chinese government, who is currently waging cold war against Western states. That’s the quiet part they’re taking care not to say loud, hence posturing.
Of course, why else would China build their country so close to all those US military bases. Such agression
whatabout
I shouldn’t defend myself from China because the USA built bases, is that your argument?
Show me on the doll where China touched you
In the south China sea lol
You mean roughly the part of the world where the US used Agent Orange and flamethrowers?
Oh, and nuked twice. Almost forgot.
Who are you even talking to? Did someone let Kissinger into this discussion? We have rules about that.
or in the sovereign country where most of the entire world’s chip supply comes from, but “china needs it more” so we should just let them invade
also, don’t forget all the chinese propaganda about how they’re going to dethrone america and become the world superpower. do they seriously expect to wage a cold war and not have the west respond to that?
The Philippines: am I a joke to you?
Certainly not. They were colonized. Should have remembered that as well.
Yes, you probably should listen to some Filipino perspectives on the south China sea.
Canada isn’t so big that it’s statistically unlikely I don’t know someone China “touched” and is still “touching” today. More than 5% of Canadians are Chinese. With Chinese police actions being documented to be carried out within 100km of me and quite likely within my own city, it’s starting to get pretty fucking personal for everyone over here.
If they’re Chinese citizens then they are technically still bound by Chinese law even while living abroad, just as an american or Canadian would be if they were living in another country.
Unless you’re speaking of Canadian citizens that are ethnic Chinese but not citizens of the PRC then I would like so see some proof on these documented Chinese police actions in Canada.
i’d rather be spied on by an allied country, or my own, than a somewhat hostile country.
I’d rather be spied on by a far away country than by one with armed bastards on my street
…why?
If you’re being honest to yourself, when your own country is spying on you it might have a bigger impact on you than a country you might visit for a week or never.
I’d rather not be spied on.
I’d rather just not be spied on lol
Real shit, right here
same, but people usually say the shit you just memed about to justify tiktok’s spying. no one here is arguing for meta and co, the fediverse is actively against them, so why aren’t we also allowed to be against tiktok?
You’re right and me neither, and as much as I don’t want my home address to be public, I’m sure there are people it would be WORSE to have know it than others. US companies acting how they do is unacceptable, but they can at least (if they have scruples) say fuck off to the government assuming we aren’t living in a truly renegade government. The meme here is correct and I think we should hold companies to a higher standard, but acting like every government is equal or the CCP isn’t immediately scarier than the US government doesn’t seem helpful to me.
I love Chinese people, I love their culture, I grew up there, I do not love their government.
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Why not spend your time on a Japanese platform? We got anime ~
Japanese sites have web ui designs that are pretty bad. Argue way worse than having to use the official reddit app ad wise.
I would pick whatever entertains me the most.
Is wasting my precious time and attention on an anticapitalist hellscape headquartered on distributed servers around the world an option?
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