My brother seems to not care about his online privacy. He registers to services too easily without pondering, he’s not outraged we need a fucking account to use a vacuum cleaner, it seems he doesn’t care about all the potential risks of having videos of our indoors saved in a cloud. I don’t have strong arguments to convince him that privacy matters other than “if someone gets that, you could be in trouble” and “it’s like having someone watching you h24” and so on. How can i persuade him?
Of course he keeps his credit card number and such private. So he cares about privacy.
What you are talking about is related to privacy, but about others’ actions. How can companies and governments abuse us by spying on us? That is where we see interesting things. If I wanna fix my car with a $50 part but it’s off brand so I gotta pay $500 instead, that’s not cool. If McDonald’s charges me more for a Big Mac right after pay day, that’s messed up. If the grocery store charges more for a box of eggs because their ID system knows the customer is poor, that’s messed up. And this is the present and future. These examples are all about privacy, control, and equality.
Privecy & security go hand in hand.
Tell him to pull down his pants and start wanking in front of you
Find his information in a data breach and log into one of his accounts. Post something to prove it and show him how important it is to care about privacy/security
Holy shit dude! His email has been recently involved in a data breach but i’ve made him change it. I should’ve asked this question before 😄
I actually did something similar to this before. After a breach I torrented the data to query my own creds (old passwords were leaked, from my pre random gen password manager days). I then searched my friend’s emails and messaged them asking them if their password was still “xyz”. I got a lot of “bro, wtf!?!” that day!
There’ll be more breaches. Believe that.
Don’t do this. It’s illegal in most countries and could result in criminal charges.
Instead, DM them and ask “Hey, is your password for x still y”? That’s usually enough for people to feel vulnerable and start to take this shit seriously.
Yes. And if possible message them with encrypted messaging, like signal or at least Whatsapp, not discord. Then again, the credentials are already public.
tie him to a chair and make him watch this
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MBBOjf7fLrc
(I’m joking about tiying him to a chair ofcorse)
Most people aren’t ready to accept the message of privacy importance. I would say that’s the vast majority actually. Many in my family throw all sorts of personal information into “online contests and signups”.
Privacy now is like climate change was 20 years ago…incredibly important, but hasn’t come to the forefront for most people, governments, etc. Say your message politely and only when welcomed, and otherwise leave people to make their decisions.
If you’re actually interested in changing people’s minds, it is an incredibly difficult and complex process, but you can start learning about it. Here’s an author whose podcast I follow and he’s doing really good work on the subject:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jun/09/how-minds-change-by-david-mcraney-review
A lot of other comments talk about hitting him with some bullshit " gatcha" or some variation of scolding…which is all bullshit and counterproductive.
I think, when you explain things to people (i.e. in instances where it’s not an absence of knowledge that’s the problem), the vast majority of people know we’re correct, but are held back by convenience. They’re embedded into the Google ecosystem or whatever, and it is a pain in the ass to migrate. There are many popular services for which there isn’t a 1:1 private alternative. I can openly and confidently say that I sacrifice some convenience for privacy, and to me it is worth it. But other people, while they agree that they don’t like being spied on, are used to being spied on and therefore have a “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” attitude. They’re already using spyware and it’s not had an immediately obvious acute consequence for them, so there’s not really any turning point at which they would go “this is enough” and change.
I think so long as they’re aware, if they do value privacy, over time they should slowly replace the things they use. Also, some of my friends get Signal just to speak to me since I’m not really on anything else (unless they want to email me lol), so that kind of effect may push them in the right direction.
If your brother doesn’t care though, he just doesn’t care. Privacy is actually very straightforward: it’s creepy for someone to be spying on me and watching my every move, therefore I take precautions to make that difficult for people wanting to spy on me. You don’t need to convince people that being spied on is creepy. They know that, and are stopped by inertia, which they can only overcome on their own. I don’t think it’s worth nagging them about it when they already know what is to be known.
easy: “why do you wear clothes?”
Show him camera footage of him masturbating.
Start doing browser research like this:
Most poison substances
How to fake a suicide letter
Cain was right killing Abel
Parents reaction to the death of a son
ecc…
At the very least next time he spy on you he will freak out 💁♂️
Honestly, it’s gonna be an uphill battle & maybe a futile one at that, depending on age. I share so many articles & what not w my parter and friends showing them that so and so is bad for your digital privacy. They respond like wow ok I should do something about this 😮…anyway, back to scrolling on Meta apps and buying stuff from ads that are fed to me. It’s not until they click that one wrong ad and compromise their financial info/identity data that they come back and ask what I was talking about that one time re: online privacy 😅😒
Don’t even get me started on ppl who have cameras indoors. Honestly, it’s just really creepy to me that people go back and watch what others are doing throughout the day. It’s funny that some ppl in my circle are so ACAB & what not, yet when I share that their Ring cameras share access to law enforcement they’re like oh wow really? & that’s about it. 🤦🏼♀️
I have had some success using this video to introduce ppl to some real life consequences: https://youtu.be/F78UdORll-Q I think what really helps drive it home is the escalation of tactics & real world ramifications of failing to understand how important privacy can be, not just for the individual, but for our communities/society.
Good luck 🍀! I hope you can find a way to persuade him to take it a bit more seriously!
You don’t
Privacy is something that is fairly personal and different for each person. Trying to force it one someone is going to end badly and will not help at all.
In my experience, /most/ people don’t care and further, they don’t want to care.
Even those that do care have to exist on a sliding scale of compromise in order to function.
Just try to find out his old Xbox comments or wherever the heck he used to post on forums. Make them appear on the Google search with his name in quotes, and tell him that employers or his future date can easily spot his poor behaviour as a part of background check. Use Bing for better results. Google hides some result, but not Bing.
It’s tough, I’ve been trying since about 1998…people are willingly blind.
I have an associate who’s a network security admin… And he just says “I want the convenience”… He’s almost 50, with decades of experience. 🤦🏼♂️
The best I have to offer is a video by data scientist:
“Taking Control of Your Personal Data” by prof. Jennifer Golbeck, published by The Teaching Company, ISBN:978-1629978390
It may be available at your local library as a DVD or streaming (through apps like Kanopy… I know, a streaming app through the library, with your information attached to the account…).
I forget which episode, maybe #3, she talks about what data is collected, and it’s worse than even my paranoid mind realized (I’ve also been in It since the early 90’s, and thought I knew the data collection that was happening early on).
I would have him watch it, he’d probably get bored (though she’s a great presenter, knows how deep to go, and when). Maybe watch it yourself and pick out the pieces to show him.
