Apologies for the slightly off-topic post…
It’s not looking good, folks…
George R R Martin confirms he hasn’t written anything for the 2 remaining A Song Of Ice And Fire books since 2022.
He wishes that they were finished.
The last published book in the series, A Dance With Dragons, was published in July 2011, now 13 years ago.
Obligatory song that’s now 12 years old… https://youtu.be/j7lp3RhzfgI
What a coincidence, I haven’t thought about reading a book from GRRM since May 2019
How to kill your fan base by making them wait decades: a GRRM story
Twist the knife with that God awful last few seasons to the show, too. Really kill any good will you had with your fans.
I liked most of the last few seasons. Everything up to the Night King’s death was good IMO; it went to shit when they rushed Daenerys going nuts afterwards
I’m afraid what happened is that he saw the fan reaction as a hate of the major plot points themselves, rather than of the abysmal pacing and handling of it all. We’ve been told that the broad strokes were from his drafts and plans for the series.
This is probably not the place to discuss just how fragile IRL feudalism was to actual runs of bad winters and sub-par summers, which were notorious for causing famines that spread across nations. I can’t speak about how it works in Westros, but volcanic winters and bad solar weather shifted the tides of history here on earth.
Considering the notion of decades long winters, the people of Westros would likely be forced to be migratory much like the Dothraki.
That all said, it still was a rich world, and I suspect Martin just wrote himself into a bunch of corners.
And his understudies have all flown the coop to become famous in their own writing
Eventually winter came and they all rolled over and died. The end.
George R. R. Martin
I imagine this is about all he’s come up with since the show started…
Genius, what world building!
Rocks fall, everyone dies.
If I were grrm I would hire the last seasons writers to help me finish the books. Ultimate troll.
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Apparently being constrained by deadlines turned him into a procrastinating, spineless teenager.
Just make sure that Martin takes decent notes so that Sanderson can be tapped to bring the story home. Sanderson did a marvelous job finishing Robert Jordan’s giant story.
I hear he plans to bring in Patrick Rothfuss to pick up where he left off and also not finish the story.
Ugh. That one hurts. Doors of Stone… where you at?
I was perfectly fine with the amount of annoyance I felt before I read this comment but you just had to bring up another unfinished series didn’t you? Now I’m all flustered.
Think GRRM has said when he dies he’s not letting anyone finish his work and his wife said she’d stand by that.
I’d like to see if the writing can salvage GoTs ending but I gotta feeling GRRM gave up because it doesn’t
Joe Abercrombie would be my vote if someone was doing it.
Sandersons books all feel like superhero meets fantasy, and he’s too much of a choir boy to match Martin’s tone.
Sandersons … too much of a choir boy to match Martin’s tone
I’d agree, it’s not an ideal match. But another talented, perhaps up-and-coming writer (as Sanderson sort of was at the time) could do a good job.
I think the same matter of authorial obligations pertains in that case
https://mastodon.social/@IlluminatiGanga/112993667854482371
but it’s a common society wide problem, Authors don’t meet their obligations to readers, Netflix does not meet obligations to fans, and companies does not meet obligations to consumers.
Brando Sando has answered the question a bunch of times, and said he’s not interested at all. Also, GRRM previously said he would never allow it to be finished by anyone else. Who knows? Maybe the publisher will force it.
Also, GRRM previously said he would never allow it to be finished by anyone else
If I remembered correctly, Jordan had also expressed similar thoughts, look how that turned out.
If he really wanted it to remain unfinished he could have pulled a Pratchett and have his hard drive steamrolled.
(Though, to be fair if you really want your data gone you should probably use thermite.)
Or just drill a few holes in it, then remove the disks from the drive and microwave them for 10 minutes
Or just drill a few holes in it
That isn’t always as effective as you’d think, especially with SSDs…
microwave them for 10 minutes
Yeah, that’d probably do it (though I’m not sure what it’d do to your microwave.
Thermite is guaranteed to destroy your data (and probably the floor, or the floor and the table if you’re dumb enough to do it on a table, and anything too close to your data… but that’s besides the point, the data will be unrecoverable, that’s the point).
One does not tap Sanderson anymore. Sanderson taps the zincmind that he spiked from Martin.
Sanderson did a great job, but my only critique was that the Tower of Genji part seemed rushed. The build up to that was almost as important as the Last Battle.
Also, I’ve read the series nearly 3 times and I stand by this statement: Fuck Faile. Fuck Perrin. Useless cunts
Sanderson did a great job, but my only critique was that the Tower of Genji part seemed rushed. The build up to that was almost as important as the Last Battle.
I don’t think the rushing was Sanderson’s fault, but Jordan’s for leaving so much unfinished. My understanding is that when Jordan died, Sanderson was asked to write the “final book”. When looking at the material that remained to be written Sanderson said it needed way more than one more book. He ended up writing three, but I wonder if the material may have called for five. Sanderson had his own stuff he wanted to write and didn’t want to live for more than three-book-years-worth in Jordan’s universe. I can’t blame Sanderson for that.
Oh, I’m not saying I’m displeased at all - I’m just saying, that in a perfect world, I would have liked to have had him spread out the writing a bit more. You’re absolutely right - he had his own shit to do. He did an amazing job, all things considered. He also did us WoT fans an HUGE HUGE solid, and finished the damn thing when there was next to no hope that it actually would be finished.
I personally wonder if Jordan wrote himself into a corner with the Tower of Genji. The magic system and tone didn’t really match the rest of the WoT universe. If you look too closely at it, it raises all sorts of nasty continuity questions for the universe as a whole. The Tower of Genji smells like a deus ex machina.
I liked Perrin a lot…until Faile showed up in the first place.
But I can’t argue your statement.
A whole book spent hunting for her? C’mon
I’m with you though he had so much potential in the beginning. His overall story is cool, but I just couldn’t get past RJ forcing me to read a whole book of nothing but Perrin tying knots in a strip of leather.
No mention of the rush of the ending? Who WAS Elan and why the link to Rand? So many questions left
The ending was pretty fast but it hit a lot of the points it should have. I don’t remember Elan since it has been a while and I’m neck deep in Malazan.
The link with Rand: i am guessing you mean what happened to him at the end? That makes sense if you recall him crossing balefire streams with Mordin in Shadar Lorgoth
Yes elan is moridin. They have a sit and chat in one Rands later visions, and even resemble each other as I recall.
Sanderson is genuinely a pillar of modern fiction
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I love Sanderson, he is my favorite fantasy author, and you are correct about his marvelous job finishing WoT, but he is just not the right fit tonally for ASOIAF. He doesn’t even write swear words, and GRRM’s books are fairly liberal with the fucks and the cunts. I would however be in favor of Joe Abercrombie or someone with a bit of a darker bent to their writing taking over if needed.
He doesn’t even write swear words
Kelek’s breath, man. He swears all the storming time.
Rust and ruin, I knew someone would bring up this crem.
Not to mention his Mormonism may be at odds with the sex scenes.
Just add more women - polygamy was all the rage in Mormonism back in the day.
I would fuck with an Abercrombie takeover so hard.
Abercrombie would be a great fit. Another good one would be Ed McDonald
On the other hand, if you let Sanderson do it we would have the whole series finished and published within 18 months of GRRM passing it on.
People are going to gnash their teeth and rend their garments over those books no matter what.
He’s my spirit animal
at this point this is a HL3 situation and it’s better if he never finishes the series. it will never live up to expectations. leave it be. if you enjoyed the story so far, celebrate that and move on. it’s about the journey, not the destination.
He’s never finishing the series. He’s going to be 76 in a month, he still has probably most of Winds to finish after 13 years, the math doesn’t work out to getting A Dream of Spring, let along the fact that this story is way too big to satisfactorily conclude in 2 books at this point, and even if it could be done it would be complex and difficult and take longer than usual.
I’m irrationally still hopeful we get Winds. But that is it.
I’m still waiting on a sequel to the Runaway Bunny
I honestly don’t know why this guy doesn’t just hire a couple ghostwriters to finish things, proofread them himself, publish them and be done with it
Or better yet… The pagecount on the next book is somewhere around 1,100 pages at last count which is more than enough to publish.
Find a natural breaking point around 700 or 800 pages, go to print and reset the clock.
Then you’re already up 300-400 pages on the next book.
I’m fairly certain that the last two books will be published close together. Grrm is well known for writing a chapter and then pushing it to the next book.
I’m fairly certain that the last two books will be published
Hahahahahaha…
*gasp*
Hahahahahahahahaha
Oh, you’re serious. Let me laugh even harder.
Hahahahahahahahaha
I also don’t think he’s writing them, so you can consider that as well
Or credited writers even…
Who wouldn’t want to work with him to finish ASOIAF for a co-author credit?
Or a mention in the foreword even…
After what people he allowed to „finish things“ did to GoT I do not think that is very likely.
Pride mostly.
There might also be some contractual obligations for him to be the one to right it. Also, he probably doesn’t have a clue where to take them.
I sometimes go months or years before picking a project back up, so I can relate.
Him and Patrick Rothfuss need a writing camp or something.
You think the ending of the show sucked? Imagine how he felt watching that shit.
He probably couldn’t see the tv due to the big pile of money sitting between him and the screen covering his view.
I think he was fine with it, watching from his hot tub filled with money.
I would suggest that it was the broad outline of the same ending he planned and shared with DnD just implemented badly. He’s probably more pissed that they made his ending so unpopular by completely botching the landing as he now can’t use that same ending without risk of rejection. I still maintain it would have sucked as an ending even if it had been implemented at the same standard as series 5, but what we got made it far far worse.
Yeah, he basically spoiled the ending with the tv show and now he needs to come up with a new one. Not that he actually will. He’ll never finish the series
I’d be happy if he did the same ending again, just with his characteristically excellent writing
I understand, it would probably make sense narratively, but he would receive a lot of backslash.
The reason he hasn’t finished (or isn’t even trying any more) is because he’s written himself into a corner. There are a lot of loose ends and parts that don’t make sense, and that’s not even counting the parts that the show left out!
He probably felt dread, because he was probably hoping that they’d fix some of the mistakes he made, and make writing the book simpler.
He fucked himself over by not having the time skip.
🎵 We are never, ever, ever getting A Song of Ice & Fire ♪
Yes, we knew that, George.
