This is your hourly reminder that Brave is still Chromium and still contributes to Google’s influence over internet standards.
This is your hourly reminder that default Firefox isn’t that great for privacy thus librewolf exist
librewolf
i seriously need those downvotes explained. it looks good to me.
Honestly I dunno on this one. Someone likes foxes more than wolves I guess lol
the CEO is also a homophobic bigot and covid denier
Had no idea! Thanks I’m getting off brave!
Thanks for pointing this out! I was already using Firefox, but after looking this up I found out that they also got rid of him for being homophobic.
Firefox it is!
i always use software for what it is, ignoring the beliefs of its creator, but ive already been using firefox, librewolf and mullvad browser since i moved to linux, and i have only been seeing people say stuff that shows chromium is worse. (except for people with no argument of course)
Librewolf has been pretty cool since I started using it as a sidearm with less than 600 ff tabs, how does mullvad compare?
Librewolf has been pretty cool since I started using it as a sidearm with less than 600 ff tabs, how does mullvad compare?
The CEO also donated to Prop 8 in California and a number of other bigoted conservative things.
Cool. If me choosing Brave over FF contributes to the demise of the useless, cash-grab scam which Mozilla is, I’ll happily continue using Brave.
Iirc Firefox and I think Safari are the only major non-chromium browsers. It makes me so sad because I remember Google’s “don’t be evil” days… man they left that behind
Safari already has attestation, has for a while, so while its at least a different browser, it’s still part of the problem.
Interesting. I didn’t know that. Safari is a piece of shit for other reasons too
Example reason why Safari is shit: It’s Safari
Yeah. They selectively adopt web standards years later than the others and the mobile and iPad versions in some ways behave completely differently from desktop (and each other). If safari just acted like the other browsers, frontend web dev would be MUCH easier.
Depends on which standards, for some css functions like backdrop-filters and mix-blend-modes it was years ahead of Firefox, where some of those had to be activated through about:config. I‘m glad Firefox catchend up in the past few years though. Also WebKit accelerated HTML5 adoption a lot.
Never had any major issues developing for Firefox, safari and chrome in the past few years though. It was quite a different story 10 years ago but nowadays 99% of the time, it works flawlessly between all major browsers for me.
I feel like you’re referring to Firefox literally 12 years ago or more. I’m talking about today. Literally any brand new standard is not supported for 1-2 years minimum. I run into problems with safari on a near daily basis. I rarely have a weird issue in Firefox. 99% of the time chrome and Firefox behave the same. The vast majority of the time that one browser has an issue others don’t, it’s safari. It’s weird to me to get pushback on this …
they’ve lived long enough to become the bad guys
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I’m thinking about switching to Librawolf for the privacy features
Anyone saying about duck duck go? Iv been using that and seems good
Their browser is webkit on iOS since apple doesn’t allow anything else on that platform. The mac version is also webkit. And the android version is - you guess it - blink, the engine used by chromium.
What about Opera GX? The mobile and Desktop versions.
Still chromium underneath, just like the normal opera
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chromium, and not even open source(from what i know)
The more you know
The enshittification of Opera sucks… I used to like them when they had their own Presto rendering engine. I heard Vivaldi is the spiritual successor, but it, too, is based on Chromium.
Vivaldi isn’t just the spiritual successor, it’s built by the guy who made the original Opera. Its baked in Ad and Tracker blocking rival UBO and it has all the features Fox can only hope to barely emulate with Mozilla extensions.
I’ve got FF loaded up and set up how I like, but I won’t be switching over until Vivaldi doesn’t perform correctly.
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Doesn’t allow anything else on that platform yet*. Apple should be dropping the webkit requirement pretty soon and google and mozilla are already working on ios ports of their engines.
Source?? Very exciting if true. Haven’t heard this before
https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/
I think i heard a more definitive source as well since this one is a few months old that it should be coming with ios17.
Yeah I just googled and found that. Only problem is that it’s been 6 months and not a peep since. This is more of a policy piece than software (I think). Any reason why that capability would be tied to an os release?
It is good for privacy, but quality of results has always felt a bit lacking to me
That’s a search engine, chrome and Firefox are the browser. You can use duck duck go from either.
I haven’t heard anything negative about them yet.
I have the duck duck app on my phone, wasn’t sure if it was any different
I just looked it up and you’re right. Looks like they have a browser out now. My mistake.
I believe duck duck go sources their results from Google somehow. For whatever that’s worth
DDG aggregates from Yahoo afaik.
And I thought yahoo got it’s results from Google too… I probably have no idea though.
This is what DDG has to say about where their results come from:
https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/
Spoiler alert: It’s not Google or Yahoo.
Interesting. And Wikipedia says yahoo gets it’s search data from Bing.
Yep, moved from Edge to Firefox on all but my Windows Tablet. Only reason I’m holding out on the tablet is because the battery enhancements of Edge are too much to pass up on the device. Phone and PC though, straight to Firefox.
I have for a long time been on Firefox. It’s stable and works great.
Then tell me please, how do I block ads on iOS with Firefox?
Adguard or DNSCloak with https://dnsforge.de/
Thanks, I checked the Adguard site again and configured it properly using the profiles and not just the per WiFi IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. Now I get 71% on an adblock test. DNSCloak however didn’t do anything really, in the test I used it made no difference to a not blocking DNS
Try the dnsforge.de server in DNDCloak. Or click on dns protection>dns filtering>dns filters in the AdGuard app and add these lists:
- https://o0.pages.dev/Pro/adblock.txt
- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bogachenko/fuckfuckadblock/master/fuckfuckadblock.txt?_=3
- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bogachenko/fuckfuckadblock/master/fuckfuckadblock-mining.txt?_=3
- https://easylist.to/easylist/fanboy-social.txt
- https://secure.fanboy.co.nz/fanboy-annoyance.txt
- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yourduskquibbles/webannoyances/master/ultralist.txt
- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/DandelionSprout/adfilt/master/AnnoyancesList
- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/liamengland1/miscfilters/master/amazonannoyances.txt
- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/liamengland1/miscfilters/master/antipaywall.txt
- https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-clean-filters/-/raw/main/bpc-paywall-filter.txt?ref_type=heads
- https://big.oisd.nl/
- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/d3ward/toolz/master/src/d3host.adblock
- https://www.github.developerdan.com/hosts/lists/amp-hosts-extended.txt
- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hagezi/dns-blocklists/main/adblock/hoster.txt
- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hagezi/dns-blocklists/main/adblock/doh-vpn-proxy-bypass.txt
Thanks!
You’d be able to if Apple didn’t block other browsers using extensions, or any rendering software other than webkit on their phones. Your fault for using Appl€.
I get your point of view, but I didn’t want to buy from Apple either. Before the purchase I knew how locked down iOS is. But since Apple basically owns the education space, I had no other choice
The education space? I don’t know what you mean. Schools in my country give kids Chromebooks, and in university they can use what they like.
I’m sorry, I should’ve been more specific. I meant that by offering a one-stop “just works” solution, they make it easy for schools in my country to implement their system, which in theory works good, and locking them into their expensive system. For example, presenting works wirelessly using their proprietary Apple TV. App Management works on their OS only. Have a file to share? Just airdrop it (lol) and so on. That way you don’t have a choice as a teacher or worse student, you either buy into their system or are the weird annoying guy, that has to ask the teacher every time if they can, upload it at …
A few years back when Firefox went through the whole “Quantum” update, I jumped and never looked back. It’s just better in every way, in my opinion.
I use it on my laptop, but it’s crap on my phone. My phone is pretty old now, I use opera. I know, no one likes opera, but I’ve used it that long now I find it difficult to jump across. I tried again recently, but it’s still too slow.
Isn’t Opera Chromium now too?
Yep it has been for a while.
Was it previously not Chromium?
It used to use a browser engine called Presto, but they dropped it in 2013.
I learned something today, thanks
Christ how many times is this going to get reposted?
It’s the first time I’ve seen it.
I think I’ve seen it every day for the last week
First time? :)
First time? :)
I wish, it keeps happening on everything from politics to electronics to IRL.
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Be pretty cool if something like thos wasn’t 1/5 posts.
You wish that was happening.
I’m preparing to be completely unsurprised that Firefox’s market share will still be at 3% next month and the month after that.
Spoiler: won’t happen. And I’m glad it won’t.
I hate to be a pessimist but if people hate Musk as much as they seem to, but can’t leave twitter,
or post “Fuck Spez” thousands of times, but won’t leave reddit,
I’m cautious about how much of an exodous I expect to see from chrome.
I think its time we face the fact that most people will trade almost anything for convenience.
It is a slow process, most will still use it, but it will be less and less as time passes.
Twitter is a different beast, most of the people you follow on twitter are only active in certain groups.
All we can do is inform them and focus on what we do, no need to be stuck on what others do.
Google broke on Firefox for a while a day ago for me. Went to some other search engine.
Jumping from social media is hard.
Jumping from applications is not.
teamspeak became Skype which became discord.
And many of us did leave Reddit. I didn’t even leave because I cared about the protests or what Reddit was doing. I left because many posts were deleted, people left, subreddits became abandoned.
Lemmy became better than Reddit basically overnight.
Pessimist, but most likely right
The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate.
The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate.
Sure. And here we are. I’m sure these companies consider us a real fly in the ointment. But I’m not inclined to believe the past is perfectly predictive of the future. What you described is also, in my perspective, how things have gone in the past. But will it happen the same way this time? I don’t know. I’m not confident based on what I’ve seen. They are trying to close in the walls on the internet and they are confident that people are too lazy to stop them.
If Internet Explorer managed to fall from 96% market share to complete irrelevance, Chrome is not immortal either.
Back then internet users werent normies, but nreds and tech savy people. Also, chrome learned from IE’s mistakes. It wont stop functioning and will keep updating, so the average normy user wont mind.
With the way every site is these days, removing adblock is worse than not functioning
I genuinely don’t know how Ill use the web without ad block. Cause I damn sure ain’t going back to paying for anti-virus like in the 90’s for a web experience that is objectively worse and less magical enough to risk it.
Drive by malware and viruses from ads has gotten scarily good at infecting systems without you knowing. It’s worse than ever as it’s not just a sketchy site issue thing anymore either. Even reputable sites have ads that only take one misclick to infect you now
You arent wrong. But, acectdata and mine own, convenience drove that. People are fucking lazy and hate nothing more than to be inconvenienced. When chrome was getting traction, explorer was trasshhhhhhhhh and every one knew it.
Chrome might be a bit bloated but its no explorer. If it doesn’t hurt people to stay, I don’t think we’ll see a shift.
Times have changed. The userbase that dropped IE was a vastly different one. With the internet being more accessible and more alluring to the massed (i.e. because of social media) convenience is king.
I switched to Firefox on windows and android on the same day as I saw that WEI bullshit.
I don’t know why the fuck I was thinking it would be a worse experience… It’s the same thing.
Bro wait till you install Linux.
It’s actually better as a stock experience than windows 11.
I have used Ubuntu for a few months, and for me, windows 10 is still better.
It’s actually better as a stock experience than windows
Don’t even need the 11 on the end.
You made me proud of myself! I have left all three!
I cannot leave Twitter as I never used it.
They better watch out. There are dozens of us. Dozens!
I shamefully still use chrome for work hehe
Browsers at least, unlike social networks, don’t benefit from networking effects. How many people use a specific browser doesn’t directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google’s Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it.
True. I MUST use Edge at work and honestly, its fine. Its not some radical departure from Firefox, i dont have to think too hard about the differences.
How many people use a specific browser doesn’t directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google’s Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it.
Thats a great point and something to consider.
Showing people that they can avoid ads by switching from chromium might make more people use adblockers.
I get flabbergasted whenever I talk to someone and realize they’re unaware that such things exist. I hope all (according to the google store entry for ublock origin) 10,000,000 of the ublock origin users switches from chromium based browsers to, say, firefox…
Feels like chromium is the new internet explorer…
To me it looks like a tech savy kind of hurdle, once people learn about it and start thinkering they start to use it also.
Better for us when people start caring for what they tolerate from corps.
I know a lot of Chrome users, and the general story I get from them is nearly always the same infuriating bullshit along these lines:
“So, I tried the like, Fox Fire thingy, but this one time, like, it took, like, 1.5 seconds to load, so it’s “””“”“”““slow””“”“”“”" so I just use Chrome 'cause it’s, like, faster and stuff."
Yeah, and I suppose the 427 useless things you have running in your system tray right now don’t have anything to do with your computer being “slow,” right?
Fox Fire thingy
Oh god, I’m having Vietnam flashbacks
Wouldn’t those 427 things make chrome slow too
Yes
There is also the initial load problem where it would take longer to load in Firefox compared to chrome. Yet people will attribute it to the browser and not the fact that assets were already stored in chrome.
Or worse, “Why should I switch to Firefox? Everybody’s complaining about the performance of Firefox compared to Chrome, but Chrome just works for me.”
Blissfully unaware of the kind of power you’re giving Google over the Internet by using their browser. I once had an experience where someone tried to use this to push me back to using Chrome.
That’s why Google is trying to launch the “Web Integrity API” that will essentially allow them to mandate any website accessible to or using Google Services to ban browsers that have ad blockers.
Literally me. Planning on switching to Firefox after work today.
Awesome!
