I have for a long time been on Firefox. It’s stable and works great.
First time? :)
I wish, it keeps happening on everything from politics to electronics to IRL.
First time? :)
Just made the switch for my personal computers. All the extensions that I used are there except a few for work.
Brave and chromium are still safe right ?
I don’t know, but who cares? What does anyone have against Firefox? It’s fast, has a massive extensions library, open source, secure, private … there’s literally no reason whatsoever not to use it.
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Different choices? Bad UI? People like me that despise Mozilla? Fuck them.
By all means, continue being part of the problem.
People don’t like change. But I’m a hypocrite. I’ve tried switching to Firefox multiple times but I always go back, not even really sure why. I use it as a secondary browser these days.
I mostly use Firefox but some Azure admin stuff only works in chrome or edge.
fucking Azure
Brave has never been a super safe browser, they’ve done some shady things. If you need Chrome just use Chromium with some settings and plugins.
I’ve never seen someone who actually genuinely needed Chrome though.
No, Chromium will not be fine. Apparently Google have already pushed the code for their “integrity API” with Chromium on git.
https://github.com/chromium/chromium/commit/6f47a22906b2899412e79a2727355efa9cc8f5bd
https://www.resetera.com/threads/google-pushes-web-integrity-enforcement-code-into-chromium.746506/
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/15bxx7p/google_merges_web_integrity_api_drm_for_the_web/
Don’t know about bare Chromium, most likely no, Brave on the other hand will still support them last I heard
If you HAVE to use a blink browser, try Vivaldi. Brave is not the “privacy alternative” people seem to think it is.
If I had to choose between a tracked, ad-filled experience and a slower, protected experience, I would go back to 1990s style Internet in a second.
This is your hourly reminder that Brave is still Chromium and still contributes to Google’s influence over internet standards.
Iirc Firefox and I think Safari are the only major non-chromium browsers. It makes me so sad because I remember Google’s “don’t be evil” days… man they left that behind
Anyone saying about duck duck go? Iv been using that and seems good
It is good for privacy, but quality of results has always felt a bit lacking to me
Their browser is webkit on iOS since apple doesn’t allow anything else on that platform. The mac version is also webkit. And the android version is - you guess it - blink, the engine used by chromium.
Doesn’t allow anything else on that platform yet*. Apple should be dropping the webkit requirement pretty soon and google and mozilla are already working on ios ports of their engines.
Source?? Very exciting if true. Haven’t heard this before
https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/
I think i heard a more definitive source as well since this one is a few months old that it should be coming with ios17.
Yeah I just googled and found that. Only problem is that it’s been 6 months and not a peep since. This is more of a policy piece than software (I think). Any reason why that capability would be tied to an os release?
What about Opera GX? The mobile and Desktop versions.
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The enshittification of Opera sucks… I used to like them when they had their own Presto rendering engine. I heard Vivaldi is the spiritual successor, but it, too, is based on Chromium.
Vivaldi isn’t just the spiritual successor, it’s built by the guy who made the original Opera. Its baked in Ad and Tracker blocking rival UBO and it has all the features Fox can only hope to barely emulate with Mozilla extensions.
I’ve got FF loaded up and set up how I like, but I won’t be switching over until Vivaldi doesn’t perform correctly.
The more you know
Still chromium underneath, just like the normal opera
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chromium, and not even open source(from what i know)
I believe duck duck go sources their results from Google somehow. For whatever that’s worth
DDG aggregates from Yahoo afaik.
And I thought yahoo got it’s results from Google too… I probably have no idea though.
This is what DDG has to say about where their results come from:
https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/
Spoiler alert: It’s not Google or Yahoo.
Interesting. And Wikipedia says yahoo gets it’s search data from Bing.
That’s a search engine, chrome and Firefox are the browser. You can use duck duck go from either.
I haven’t heard anything negative about them yet.
I have the duck duck app on my phone, wasn’t sure if it was any different
I just looked it up and you’re right. Looks like they have a browser out now. My mistake.
they’ve lived long enough to become the bad guys
I’m thinking about switching to Librawolf for the privacy features
Safari already has attestation, has for a while, so while its at least a different browser, it’s still part of the problem.
Interesting. I didn’t know that. Safari is a piece of shit for other reasons too
Example reason why Safari is shit: It’s Safari
Yeah. They selectively adopt web standards years later than the others and the mobile and iPad versions in some ways behave completely differently from desktop (and each other). If safari just acted like the other browsers, frontend web dev would be MUCH easier.
Depends on which standards, for some css functions like backdrop-filters and mix-blend-modes it was years ahead of Firefox, where some of those had to be activated through about:config. I‘m glad Firefox catchend up in the past few years though. Also WebKit accelerated HTML5 adoption a lot.
Never had any major issues developing for Firefox, safari and chrome in the past few years though. It was quite a different story 10 years ago but nowadays 99% of the time, it works flawlessly between all major browsers for me.
I feel like you’re referring to Firefox literally 12 years ago or more. I’m talking about today. Literally any brand new standard is not supported for 1-2 years minimum. I run into problems with safari on a near daily basis. I rarely have a weird issue in Firefox. 99% of the time chrome and Firefox behave the same. The vast majority of the time that one browser has an issue others don’t, it’s safari. It’s weird to me to get pushback on this …
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Cool. If me choosing Brave over FF contributes to the demise of the useless, cash-grab scam which Mozilla is, I’ll happily continue using Brave.
This is your hourly reminder that default Firefox isn’t that great for privacy thus librewolf exist
librewolf
i seriously need those downvotes explained. it looks good to me.
Honestly I dunno on this one. Someone likes foxes more than wolves I guess lol
The CEO also donated to Prop 8 in California and a number of other bigoted conservative things.
the CEO is also a homophobic bigot and covid denier
Thanks for pointing this out! I was already using Firefox, but after looking this up I found out that they also got rid of him for being homophobic.
Firefox it is!
i always use software for what it is, ignoring the beliefs of its creator, but ive already been using firefox, librewolf and mullvad browser since i moved to linux, and i have only been seeing people say stuff that shows chromium is worse. (except for people with no argument of course)
Librewolf has been pretty cool since I started using it as a sidearm with less than 600 ff tabs, how does mullvad compare?
Librewolf has been pretty cool since I started using it as a sidearm with less than 600 ff tabs, how does mullvad compare?
Had no idea! Thanks I’m getting off brave!
A few years back when Firefox went through the whole “Quantum” update, I jumped and never looked back. It’s just better in every way, in my opinion.
I use it on my laptop, but it’s crap on my phone. My phone is pretty old now, I use opera. I know, no one likes opera, but I’ve used it that long now I find it difficult to jump across. I tried again recently, but it’s still too slow.
Isn’t Opera Chromium now too?
Yep it has been for a while.
Was it previously not Chromium?
It used to use a browser engine called Presto, but they dropped it in 2013.
I learned something today, thanks
I can’t believe people still use Chrome, Firefox is better by a mile.
Yeah, I’ve been using Firefox exclusively for ages. And also Duckduckgo, I just can’t stand the excessive of Google’s captcha since I always use VPN.
People switched because “it’s the fastest” but that hasn’t been my experience with it at all. Sure, it LOOKS more minimalistic than Firefox, but it’s a RAM and CPU hog that litters my computer with Google trash.
People still download it because “it’s the fastest”
IDK man, Chrome UI is kinda plain
I’d use it exclusively, but there’s no Ad Blocker for it on iOS, and I don’t want to run an ad blocking VPN all the time. I also don’t like how there’s no official PWA support on desktop.
Chrome doesn’t support extensions at all on iOS, only Safari does - because of Apple. Firefox would absolutely support extensions and use Gecko on Ios if Apple let them.
Yeah, but there are ways other browsers have determined how to have in-built ad blocking. I’m not sure of the ins and outs, but Brave, Samsung Browser, and Edge all have built-in ad blocking on iOS.
But there is strict tracking protection which acts like a slightly degraded ad blocker. It has blocked everything except YouTube ads and “you have ad blocker enabled” pop ups for me.
The heck? UBlock works on Mac- ohhh is this an M1/M2 thing I was unaware of?
Nevermind, you said IOS not MacOS
same problem we had back in the ie5/6 days: it was just there and most people don’t care. i physically cringe when i watch co-workers using chrome with not even a basic adblocker installed, klicking away ads, promts, pop-ups, videos and whatnot just to access a news article. it’s horrible!
I’m forced to use either Chrome or Edge for my work computer and it drives me crazy.
I’m forced to use either Chrome or Edge for my work computer and it drives me crazy.
I’ve been a Sysadmin for a ~decade. I can state with 100% certainty that the reason behind that decision is that you can very easily configure Group Policy to control the behavior and visibility/availability of features in Chrome and Edge. Firefox didn’t have that until just a couple of years ago, and it wasn’t great when it first became available. And to be honest, it’s still not fully baked, but it’s at least usable now from an administrative perspective.
Maybe bring it up to your IT department and include this link in the email/ticket.
Thanks for the link. I’m saving that to pass on.
Idk, I’ve used both browsers and I prefer Chrome in terms of features and UI. But it’s not worth the privacy you get with Firefox
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I personally really miss being able to group tabs. I don’t think you’re able to do it on Firefox, right?
Firefox has extensions that can help with this, but I find the way Chrome does it extremely useful. I’d still choose Firefox, but there are certainly a couple of features that Chrome has that can be helpful
I put in a good faith effort to switch to FF earlier this year. I really wanted to like it. I consider myself an expert user to so it wasn’t just “I didn’t know what I was doing.” I recently switched back to Chrome. I hope FF gets better because I don’t like recent Chrome news.
Lol, to me you seem more of a bullshit user than an expert user. No offense…
I use Firefox now and have most of this year.
One thing that annoyed me was how much more awkward it is to switch between two user profiles .
In chrome I have a work email a personal email, each with its own account, and a different look. I can immediately tell which I’m using, and can switch between them with the button at the top right.
I managed to mess around and find an extension which kind of does the same thing, so I’m no longer missing the feature, but it’s definitely jankier and doesn’t work as smoothly.
Also, I don’t know if it’s a bitwarden issue, but autofill hardly ever works properly.
Sometimes I want to pull a tab into its own window on the other screen. You’re not allowed to do this when the browser is full screen, only when it’s windowed. Annoying.
These are my only issues with firefox I can think of.
Which features? Chrome is barebones imo while others like Edge and Opera are the “glorified” browsers with many features.
I primarily use Firefox, but the big one for me and the reason I haven’t completely deleted Chrome is being able to create shortcuts with the “Open in a new window” option for specific URLs. Granted I’m not very tech savvy (just a little more aware than the average user) and primarily use a mac for my personal computer atm, but that feature is a game changer for me. As far as I know, other popular browsers don’t offer it currently.
It’s really useful for when there isn’t a download or iOS app for a specific site/service, or when the web app is much better than the app or download option and I still want to be able to use it like a separate app from my browser.
I also wasn’t able to download any software that wasn’t on the Apple App Store with my work computer for my previous employer (super annoying, but I kind of get it). So it was essential if I wanted to have a separate and dedicated app/window at all for my work calendar, email, etc.
I love how I can visually organize the web apps I like to use separately from my browser, to save time and energy for daily use. I can customize the name and shortcut icon, pin them to my dock, organize them in folders in my launchpad, and even set them to launch on startup if I want. Not sure if there are reasonably easy ways to mimic this with Firefox, but I haven’t found any yet.
PWA. Last time I seriously tried Firefox it’s support for Progressive Web Apps (PWAs) was non existent. When their issue tracker told me they have no plans for implementing it, I shed a single tear and then moved back to chromium.
That makes sense, I completely forgot PWA.
I’ve used this extension successfully on Win10 to install PWAs, most recently Elk for Mastodon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pwas-for-firefox/
To add to the other person said: Tab Groups. Firefox doesn’t have anything like it
Firefox sorta does! If you only use tab groups (or profiles for that matter) to separate school tabs from work and personal tabs, I recommend giving the Multi-Account Containers extension a look.
Was just about to say this. I finally switched today because Chrome tried to sign me up automatically for a bunch of ‘privacy enhancements’ which do the opposite.
The only thing I’m having trouble finding a good version of is tab groups.
I want tab groups that I can collapse and expand at will. Not one that hides my tabs, and which I can’t see two tab groups concurrently.
Yep, moved from Edge to Firefox on all but my Windows Tablet. Only reason I’m holding out on the tablet is because the battery enhancements of Edge are too much to pass up on the device. Phone and PC though, straight to Firefox.
Seriously. I’ll be a redditor here, but that’s my “migrate-to-another service moment”. If I’m not able to whitelist the sites that provide a reasonable ad experience and block ads on those that dont, then I’m moving to a different browser and password saving environment.
Firefox and Bitwarden is the way to go Or even Mullvad Browser instead of Firefox. Its basically Firefox but already shipped with all the right configs and addons.
As a user of Linux and primarily FOSS software for 2 years, each time I recommended something FOSS, others had bad luck.
- I tried switching someone to Linux but I couldn’t achive %100 funnctionality on a Windows only app I set up via Wine. (it is an obscure program, not sth like Adobe or MS Office)
- I recommended Kdenlive to a Mac user friend, he couldn’t export a video he spent 30 hours on it.
- I convinced someone to use Libreoffice but they lost data in only 30 mins because I forgot to tell that if you draw more than a few strokes in LO Draw it enters a save loop. This is fixed now thankfully.
- I recommended VLC for DVD ripping, it entered some sort of loop and failed to export.
Each of the above examples involve completely different people, by the way.
- I set up 2 fresh Windows installs for family but installed Firefox with strict protection and uBlock Origin instead of Chrome and… it worked?! They still use Firefox. Maybe the alpenglow theme is too good, I don’t know.
You’re right and it’s that sort of stuff that people like you and me will deal with and figure out and move on but unfortunately it’s not the case with regular people. That’s why I never recommend that sorry if stuff to ‘normies’ ie. My mom. Instead I set them up with the lesser of evils that will give them convenience and make them more likely to trust me in the future. That way, if I ever REALLY need them to move on from something they will be more likely to just listen to me and not fight me about it. I just got a couple of friends to switch over to Firefox even though they were chrome fans, all because I have years of goodwill. Ported their bookmarks and got them ublock and they barely even notice a difference.
I think this is true for everything… we just notice it when we’re the ones ahead.
Some people can’t change tires, some can’t cook, some can do basic plumbing, some can’t remove appendixes, some can’t swim… whatever.
Granted, I think the main divide were all on the good side of is “some people know how to search, some people don’t”
Awesome, baby steps.
Shit breaks, but we keep trying and see what works!
Keep the fight going, peace!
One day my friend, one day I will make a Linux convert
Hahaha, that will be awesome!
I think it would have to be someone that likes to learn new things and mess around with electronics.
Google and every other corporation that wants to be your Daddy or your slave master can go fuck off and die. Personally I have been done for a while now, when Google shit all over the world by buying YouTube then making everyone sign in to Google plus to use, it was it for me, I have never actually signed in to YouTube since, and have tried to avoid giving Google any traffic to this day.
I think we don’t have a choice anymore but to start making a new society built from scratch for the people. We can start by using the vast amount of tools and resources built by corporations to enslave us against the same corporations doing the enslaving.
I don’t know if the human population can actually collectively do what’s necessary to save themselves or more then likely their children from a life of permanent servitude these corporations want.
But why not give it a try, it’s better then realizing you were a feckless idiot that did absolutely nothing while you’re waiting for a corporation to cut off your life support because you’re no longer profitable.
Politicians will allow corporations to enslave everyone but that magical 1%, they’re not vary bright, they don’t study history, all they study is fleecing the public, when the shit finally hits the fan the leaders these politicians make will hang them first.
And if some corporation don’t like what I’m saying, come at me bitch, I’ve got curable cancer, I’ve been told I got ten years left, so have fun then die (I’m on a Tennessee Republican Death Panel right now.) So lets see how much “fun” I can make for corporations in ten years.
Fuck it, I’m moving over to Seamonkey.
Be pretty cool if something like thos wasn’t 1/5 posts.
