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Great. So managing printers, network settings and quickly comparing settings from two places becomes a weird game of screenshots and guessing.
Remote support workers of the world collectively shake their fist in despair.
No way on this planet I will be able to explain the new UI to your average office worker.
Definitely an issue. I can’t count the times I’ve slammed my head because the stupid settings screen “conveniently” switches from the previous item to another while I still expected it to open a new window just like the command panel.
It’s as if they intentionally were making their products unusable for ADHD and especially AuDHD people.
I wonder sometimes, maybe they are. Maybe there’s some policy coming from some macchiavellian cokehead in a suit, that people like us spoil their big, important social mechanisms and introduce a measure of chaos they don’t want, so we have to be suppressed.
I just don’t understand why Windows is such an ADHD torture today. Even XP wasn’t.
It really seems sometimes as if they were going out of their way to make it such, not only MS, but also Google, Apple and who not.
Its not good. Control panel is consistent and precise. Settings is not consistent lacks many settings and many are dumbed down
I know, I still have to touch Windows at work.
I know, I still have to touch Windows at work.
Windows: Only when paid to touch it.
I too am limited by the technology of our time
The first thing I did after getting my work laptop was to install Linux. I am so glad that my work allows it.
Windows 8 came out in 2012. I switched to Linux shortly after.
If you’ve been suffering through this as a home user you have nobody but yourself to blame.
You’re not so busy you can’t learn a new OS in 12 years!
Plebs.
I’m NEVER moving away from Windows 7.
I hope your firewall is up to scratch.
For all I know it might be turned off. From like 10 years ago.
You’re letting the internet bareback you.
Eh, it hasn’t caused issues yet.
Your PC could be part of a botnet that sends phishing mails, mine crypto and send all your keystrokes to Irkutsk, without you noticing.
I would hope they’re protected by the router firewall
Please for the love of god move off windows 7 to a secure OS like Linux or BSD
we ride or die windows for workgroups in this house dawg
Windows 3.1 was what I cut my teeth on
I don’t understand linux. I have a raspberry pi that I haven’t used in 2 years because I did an update all, which caused the fan to stop working. Which in turn mezns I can’t use the thing, for fear it overheats. But I spent 20 days all day every day, just trying to figure out how to turn the fan on.
If I can’t turn the fan on, and reinstalled the fan countless times, pouring hundreds of hours into something so simple, I’m not going to understand the OS.
On the opposite end of that, no way in hell I’m upgrading to windows 10 or 11.
And I’m not rich enough for a mac.
So, Windows 7 forever!
Why not back up your win 7 installation and try a different Linux variant? Or even just fuck around with Linux in dual boot/vm before transitioning? I’d have to imagine that’d be preferable to either not using the internet or risking every device on the same network it’s connected to. I swear I read an article where fresh win10 installs were getting infected within minutes of connecting to the net. Let alone 7.
About 10 years ago I remember I had to turn off the firewall to do something. To this day, I can’t remember if I ever even turned it back on. And have never checked. Oddly enough, the only website that DOESN’T work on that computer, is Lemmy. Which I guess is because I haven’t updated the browser since before covid.
If you’re trolling these cats you’re doing a fantastic job. I hope youre not tho. I love picturing what this computer looks like
It’s a little dusty because I lost the side plate to the case YEARS ago.
And the desktop has icons overflowing into display #2.
She’s Beautiful. Thank you.
Raspberry pi is not going to be representative of running something like Linux Mint on an x86 machine. Raspberry pi is a unique piece of hardware that not all OSes are going to test against. As the other poster said, there are things you can do to ease yourself into the transition. But I’m… Baffled by your lackadaisical attitude towards updates. Your browser not being updated since before covid makes me hope to god you’re not downloading any media files or logging into any websites
Is your computer networked? If so, that’s a bad idea
So in six months, someone will have written a third-party Windows Control Panel.
Honestly wouldn’t even be that difficult to build. Windows is just a GUI for Powershell anyway.
Nah it’ll just be shoved into PowerToys.
Which is becoming a must have on windows.
This doesn’t say they’re removing it, just deprecating it. I thought it had been deprecated for ages
I can’t imagine that they won’t be removing it eventually though.
Why would they? They still have dialogues from Windows 95, if not before. Microsoft pretty much never removes anything, they just hide it and add new stuff on top because they’re terrified of breaking backward compatibility.
that’s fading though. it’s coming as they push towards the walled garden.
Sure, but they’ll still be available because Windows Server customers use them, and it’s easier to just leave it in for both than to remove it for the retail release. So they’ll probably hide it more, but I’m guessing it’ll still be accessible for power users.
That ODBC window has been there since about Win 3.1 I think. Watching those completely unresizeable forms pop up in the middle of my 1440p monitor is always amusing.
I can just see some guy coding that, thinking “why would it need to be bigger? It’s practically the full screen!”
I’m not sure if regedit has changed much either, certainly seems like it’s the same since using it in xp? Odbc windows are 100% 3.1 though.
Feel like task scheduler, event viewer and partitioning tools have been relatively static as well, but they’re not as old as the odbc window. Tbh I’m not surprised that administrative/dev tools haven’t had a ui change.
I use to keep all my windows MGMT tools on a custom MMC screen. So organized.
TL;DR - It’s being
replacedrenamed to “Settings”But not really. The Settings menu has never been as useful as Control Panel and there’s still a ton of functionality that can only be accessed from the Control Panel. This and many other moves by MS recently are why Windows 10 is the last version of Windows I’ll be using. With the work Valve has done to support SteamDeck I can finally go 100% Linux.
TLDR, the settings app does not fully incorporate all the minutia of the control panel and power users are naturally going to be upset about the change assuming they stick around that long.
Too many specialized companies still make Windows-only software, e.g. chip vendors.
100% true.
Why put up with their abuse?
Each one has different specialized components that aren’t at full parity with their competitors, but that doesn’t even matter since it’s the case with literally all of them.
I work on an application that went through multiple iterations of UIs. Each superseded the previous one and a new admin UI was built into them. The oldest one was using Flash.
Occasionally I still have to drill down through four layers of “open legacy UI here” to get to some obscure, long forgotten setting. Manipulating shit with half-working elements in a VM running a flash-capable browser. Day to day I just go back one iteration though, because the admin UI has everything I need there. Unlike the latest iteration.
Some day we play on killing off the flash UI version completely. We already have planned workarounds in place to manipulate those obscure settings through endpoint calls. Won’t be missed. But I’d miss the second to last admin UI that has everything where I need greatly.
This is what ms is killing off now. A good UI in windows where you can find everything. And all it’d have taken to make it better is give it a robust search functionality. No one cares about going back and forth in convoluted loops between sleek UI pages. People that care to manage stuff in windows at depth will be forced into shallow shit.
XP file search was great then it all went to shit
XP file search was slow as shit.
Everything for life! (
locate(package:mlocate; runupdatedbto get the initial load) for terminal on Linux, or I just usefind)
The oldest one was using Flash.
I’m so sorry my dude, no one deserves that kind of suffering.
In favor of what? I still have to use control panel because some things are seemingly unreachable by the “settings” menus.
I wonder if you’re talking about the windows 10 or windows 11 version of the settings app?
Yes. I have win 10 and 11 devices. They both lack certain options and I’ve had to go around them, like using control panel. In this case only the win 11 device is at risk of getting much worse.
It’s probably all in the registry somewhere.
Yeah. This sounds a lot like some PM type thinks they’re gonna get rid of control panel, and they just don’t know what all is actually in there.
And not to mention the custom control panel applets hanging around out there from who-knows-what vendors.
I don’t think that the PM is wrong. They absolutely can get rid of the control panel. It’s the user who will suffer ✌
And not to mention the custom control panel applets hanging around out there from who-knows-what vendors.
AMD FirePro and Catalyst users are going to probably stay on an older version of the OS, considering most of those users are going to be educational institutions, engineering workshops, makerspaces/hackerspaces etc.
Can’t think of any other vendor products that integrated quite as much into the legacy control panel area
I’m thinking of highly niche industrial and embedded products who are likely to be left behind.
A major traditional selling point for Windows has always been the backwards compatibility.
I wonder if there would be a way to “embed” those old panel applets into the new settings somehow.
I bet they at most remove control.exe or make it open the Settings app, but still allow launching old vendor .cpl items just like they already can be opened in Control Panel.
This is already implemented on a lot of the settings pages on 11.
Edit: just wanted to add I don’t think well. I use it at work.
Windows is king at being inconsistent 🔥
If only they had trained advanced users to use the CLI that would never change unlike the GUI
That’s M$ intention, to hide some settings from users and lose control of Windows.
Right, I forgot, MS doesn’t want you to have control what programs are doing or how your computer works. Corporate way or…linux.
I may be technologically challenged but Microsoft has been steadily selling me on linux ever since windows 10.
Linux is just straight up easier to use than an unfucked windows.
See, that may be the case. Or it might not be. It’s a risk vz reward right now. I am not good with computers and have had my PC, laptop, phone and smart watch, inexplicably break, get stuck on boot and had to have them repaired. I just know my mistakes are easier to screw up my computer and data on linux. So the worse MS gets, the more I am willing to risk it.
Welp time to go back to Linux…
Hate to break it to you but Linux doesn’t have the Windows Control Panel either. :P
I’ll just open the play store and download the addon… that’s how this computer stuff works… right?
RIP. It’s been coming for a while, and Control Panel will likely be on hospice for a few more years, but it will be a sad day when control panel is gone.
Gone in favor of a less useful interface. Fantastic!
It is Windows…
No. Don’t worry, they moved the controls to the edge browser! Isn’t that great 😃? 👍👍👍.
This will bring so many people to Linux and will force so many others to start their own OSes.
I’ve finally made one tiny step into the Linux pool: Replacing my little old Plex server & NAS (mini PC, Windows 10) with… an even tinier Raspberry Pi 5.
It’s been nice to finally have an excuse to start learning Linux: commands, bash scripts, ssh, samba shares, etc. I’ve always admired lean, portable FOSS, so it’s way overdue.
Unfortunately, most Windows users are not tech savy and will never move to Linux, regardless of how user-friendly Linux becomes. It would take large-scale retailers switching their computers to have Linux pre-installed instead of Windows before any meaningful transition happens.
Not tech savy person here who’s interested in switching to Linux but afraid of fucking it up and the one guy I knew in real life who used Linux and would’ve helped me out died during covid so I’m on my own.
My old computer won’t support windows 11 and I’m not in a position to upgrade my hardware. I’ve been poking around trying learn about linux but I’m more of a hands on learner so basically I’m going to have to learn as I go which is quite scary for someone who’s never even seen a computer running it.
Ask ChatGPT. 3.5 should know it. I know I could install FreeBSD because of it.
Got an extra USB stick and an old laptop kicking around you’re okay with wiping? Ideally 4GB RAM but 2GB would be okay. Start with Linux Mint and follow their installation guide - verifying the ISO image in Windows is probably the toughest part.
Or make absolutely certain you’re on the official Mint website, torrent it and don’t bother checking, I’m not your mother. “Who the f**k checks those anyway?” (Mint hasn’t been hacked since, but it’s part of why they’re pushing verifying, they know that their users have been targeted before. Also if something goes wrong with the download the install will fail and you’ll waste more time than if you just checked.)
If you don’t have a spare computer, a live USB can let you try Linux without making changes to your computer, but it’s going to be slow - a proper install is going to be a much nicer experience. If you’re okay without persistence (ie you can’t change anything or install additional programs for the next time you boot into it), just follow the Linux Mint website’s installation guide and stop before the actual install step. For persistence, try this method instead, but you really don’t want to use it long term, USB sticks aren’t designed for this.
Once you’ve tried it live and you think you like the desktop environment, but if you’re not sure you’re ready to fully commit, if your computer has an extra slot for an SSD you could buy a second one and dual boot, that’s what I did. (Dual booting on the same drive is doable but more of a headache, and even on a different drive Windows doesn’t always play nicely.)
Thank you much for this! I really appreciate that you took the time write all of that out
I do have an old laptop I can use for learning on, don’t know why it didn’t occur to me to try linux on that first, but I’ll definitely do that, follow your instructions and see how it goes.
I genuinely want to switch, just didn’t have the confidence to actually try. Thank you again for the great advice! I gotta go dig out that old laptop.
If you aren’t ready to fully commit to installing it on a hard drive, you could probably make a live USB stick of Linux. There are installers built to run on windows that will install Linux onto a USB drive, which you can boot from after turning off your PC. That way, you don’t need to worry about wiping or resetting an old computer just to see if you like it.
Thank you for the info! Thats a great way to get an introduction to linux so can I poke around and get used to it. Appreciate the advice!
They can just make an AI called “Control” that will handle all the settings for everyone.
Gone in favor of
a less useful interfacePowershell commands. Fantastic!…and after a decade accuse Linux community for copying their great innovations.
Well then it’s guess which is the one to use now or which os those commands are naively installed and which need to be installed
Great, now I’ll have to
GoogleBing for a four-line command when before I could just dig through a few menus.Finally linux will have parity in useability with windows.
No, it’s already more usable. You’re not bound to a GUI or hidden, indiscoverable incantations.
I felt the /s was implied but clearly enough people actually believe that linux is only for people who master arcane command lines that it could be taken as a genuine belief.
There are PowerShell fanboys here. Anything is possible.
I mean, if there’s still gonna be command line commands for all the features then there’s no reason why a 3rd party couldn’t make a gui app for them and recreate the control panels app
they should call it, get this, control panel
For the investor’s sake, I think it should be called the HyperPanel
Good point … unless MS manages to cripple that capability somehow.
That’s a hot take for Lemmy.
Nah, PowerShell is just a shitty bash wannabe
Actually PowerShelll is basically a wrapper for .NET classes… and it doesn’t really emulate Bash in any functional way.
The little time I have spent on powershell, I found it to be very slow. The input is also very verbose. I’m sure someone will say it allows one to be specific but I can be equally specific in bash as well. It’s like the Java Enterprise of scripting language.
Ah, so it sucks even harder
Powershell has a completely different approach of working with commands than traditional Unix shells. You pretty much don’t know what you are talking about.
Look, if it’s not a file, I don’t want to have anything to do with it.
Powershell at first seems to be weird and clunky, but after you get used to its syntax you can quickly look up and use its commands without much guessing.
I honestly wouldn’t mind the new interface if it at least has all the options and functionality from the control panel, but it doesn’t - there’s so much functionality you can only access via control panel
And this is my gripe.
Control Panel will likely be on hospice for a few more years
And I’ll keep visiting Control Panel in hospice. Bite me Microsoft.
WTF why did I misread your comment as “Chris Parnell”
Probably because we were just watching Archer bro
No, I’m watching Cars 3
yessssssssssssssssss
I am curious where I’ll find the touch screen configuration utility when they do.
Because you touch y… wait no. That doesn’t work here.
Let me channel my inner Microsoft and think of the most asinine…
OK, yeah, you’ll have to touch and hold the right hand side of the screen for three seconds, then the left and the right for a further three, let go of the right and keep touching the left for three more, let go and then the settings will pop up. I call it “Son of sticky keys.”
There will be no other way to get to those settings.
Flight simmers the world round will revolt if that dialog isn’t easy to get to or converted to modern format.
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Well, one less, because the place where they all are won’t be there anymore.
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Each setting you will have to type into the windows search that is progressively getting worse.
Didn’t they learn that taking away what people grew up with for more than two decades already will result in outraged customers? (Windows 8 - start menu removed and replaced by start screen)
Not if they improve it. But I doubt they will.
We improved it by making it always available! Just sign into your Windows365 account in Edge and…
Upload all your files to our one drive account instead of the drive that’s physically in your computer and…
That’s okay because Windows will be gone entirely from my PC in a month.
