Trying to de-google and looking for an alternative to Gmail.
Don’t mind if it’s a paid service if it’s robust.
I’m using ProtonMail and paying for it.
It’s decent. The best AFAIK in terms of privacy. Supports labels etc.
The migration process takes so long, I’m split between both still and slowly moving over.
Same. I use my gmail accounts for junk mail and have been moving everything actually relevant to proton through SimpleLogin aliases.
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I just forward my Gmail and use it as a legacy service while using proton as my new primary. Allows me to very aggressively spam filter in proton.
I’m willing to use that mindset when I’m downhill mountain biking but for email… no way. You’re crazy man.
I kinda get you, but I’m (not oc) using forwarding as a temporary solution until I’ve slowly moved everything away from Gmail entirely. It’s also good to import all past mails over.
That’s what I do too, and any thing that I sign up for or use often I’ve swapped straight to proton
Proton
It’s pretty easy to setup your own domain if you don’t mind it being someone else’s server. I first used one called ZoHo, you just need a domain and a txt record to validate control as I recall and they’ll do the rest for free. That was a number of years ago though so it may have changed since.
I’m using Migadu and it’s been great so far. Not many bells and whistles but it’s just email. Also allows you to control your own email address and not be locked into a different platform
I just use IMAP through my domain hosted on Dreamhost (had it for about 13 years now??) and then use K9 and Thunderbird to read it.
Don’t need to deal with all the hosting my own mail server spam and ISP nightmare :)
I’m on DH too but I find their webmail solution very outdated, especially compared against Gmail. Especially searching for old mails is bad.
I am happy with Proton.
Proton Mail
You can always pay for your own mailserver. I personally like it that people can reach me a [email protected]. Maybe it is something for you?
Do you actually host your own mail? Because everyone tells me not to do that, it’s too much of a hassle and that there are mail services where I can use my own domain.
I used to host my own mail server. Getting it up and running with iredmail wasn’t too difficult, but maintaining all of the different components and setting up spam filters and autodiscover and stuff like that is an absolute nightmare.
I just use proton mail. I can point my dns to them, and they do everything else for me.
Only downside is that they don’t expose pop3 or imap, so you have to either use their app, or set up their bridge and host that locally.
If you just buy the office 365 service through a domain provider its as simple as a few clicks. Namecheap charges me $6 a year for my domain and $5 a month for an Office 365 mailbox with 5 users. It was a few clicks and it was set up, and I can log into the Office interface to manage the accounts. If you are running your own SMTP server from your home, yes, it can be extra steps. But that’s just silly if you can afford a cloud hosted email.
But then it’s all Microsoft-y…
5 users is not enough for my family, and they don’t offer additional users.
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OP is looking to move away from Google. Immediately getting locked into a different, arguably more restrictive, platform isn’t a solution.
Now in general:
Pros:
free(paid plan only?)- company will stay in business for a while
Cons:
- subject to Apple’s privacy policy
- US based company, not great for privacy
- locked into a different platform
- Apple’s walled garden ecosystem means long term use is questionable. Will Apple keep supporting 3rd party email clients in 1,3,5 years? Do they even support it now? Who knows?
- Apple has control over your account. If they screw you over on an iPhone purchase and you do a credit card charge back on them (for any reason really) do they let you keep your account? Google doesn’t
Is it free? I thought e-mail is only in the paid iCloud plans
It is free and comes with 5GB of cloud storage. For $1 a month, you get 50GB of cloud, a personal domain, Private relay (basically built in VPN), and email relay (masks your email address when signing up for a site, site never gets your actual email address, apple receive an email at the masked address and forwards to you.)
Couldn’t tell you. I assumed it was free but I haven’t used an apple device in years
It’s free but you need a Mac or iOS device to set up a new mail account
Basic email is free, but you need iCloud+ to get support for custom domains and more than 5GB of storage.
Depends on where you’re from, but I had good experiences with mailbox.org
I would recommend them too. No problems in more than 5 years.
Zoho is a good alternative.
I use Proton Mail. I recommend that whatever service you decide on, get your own domain name so you can keep your email address if you move to a different provider.
Do you have any recommendations on how to buy a domain?
I use Porkbun for my domain. you can get a .xyz domain for only $2 for 1 year, though after 1 year its like $8 per year.
I’m using namesilo and it was pretty straight forward to set up. I just got it a couple days ago and no issues so far!
IIRC Cloudflare is the only registrar that doesn’t mark up from wholesale prices, or something like that. Basically makes them cheaper than most other registrars. I think the point is that they can then sell you their other (related) services more easily — the services that actually make them money.
Not OP, but I used Namecheap. Porkbun is also recommended I think. Setting it up is not dead-brain simple, but Proton does a very good job on explaining it step by step I believe.
That would make it easier to target you though, or do you use aliases on top of that?
I’m not sure I know what you mean by “target you”. Can you go into more detail about that?
By having a common email address that you give out to each service you sign up on you make it easier for them to aggregate the data and build a more detailed profile on you, in order to avoid it you would use email aliases (dummy address that serve the purpose of only forwarding emails they receive from and to one of your real address). If you use a custom domain name you can potentially create an infinite amount of them, but you expose yourself to being tracked anyway because they would all have the domain name in common e.g.
[email protected],[email protected], etc. and they would notice that it all comes from one user for service, so it’s easy to guess it is actually just one real person.
To avoid that happening, you would have to use a public aliasing service so you can blend in with the other usersAny decent email hosting service should allow you some form of aliasing (whether it’s plus addressing or actual aliases). Ideally there should be no “default” address associated @your.domain, it should be all aliases. Preferably with wildcards so you can make them up on the fly when subscribing to a random website, without having to go into the admin settings. And naturally they should also offer wildcard sending (being able to send from [email protected] – this is supported by most decent email clients).
Bottom line, as long as it’s your own domain and you don’t abuse things like receiving/sending limits, attachment size, total storage size etc. you should be able to do whatever you want with your addresses and mailboxes.
I’m using Posteo and have absolutely no problem with it. The base price is 1€/month and for my purposes I haven’t needed to buy any extra stuff (like extra space or aliases). It also allows access via mail clients by IMAP and POP, which is something I’ve seen many popular gmail alternatives not providing, despite being IMO a pretty important feature.
You mentioned storage space is important for you. The default size is 2.0 GB, but you can acquire more by paying +0,25€/month for every extra gigabyte up to a maximum total of 20 GB.
It should be noted however that it is a German company and therefore has to comply with German laws.
The one thing I’m not really convinced by is their approach to spam. The web interface doesn’t provide any way to define rules to filter out spam except for filter exceptions, but the service already filters out spam for you and it will never reach your inbox. I would normally think that’s a bad idea, but I’ve never received any spam nor have I noticed any mail going missing (except for my lemmy.ml registration mail which I remember I had problems with but I don’t remember if it was Posteo’s fault and if yes if it was their spam filter in which case it could be allowed to reach your inbox by adding it as an exception).
But you cannot have your own domain on posteo as far as i know.
Did you know IMAP and POP are antiquated protocols, password are passed in clear over internet.
That’s why people wrap those protocols with SSL. Think https vs http.
Underrated comment. Posteo is awesome, cheap, and has all the tools you need for mail and calendar things. Proton may give you more, but that’s a different query.
Protonmail and Tutanota seem like your best bets, big providers like to sort others in the spam folder tho!
mailinabox gives you email, calendar, tasks, and nextcloud apps if you’re willing to setup your own VPS and suffer through some setup, about $10-20/month
proton mail (if you wanna exclusively use it pay for it), tutanota and any eco focused one. if you wanna keep using some Gmail accounts use k-9
