“Too many” kinda sounds right to my ear because beans is plural, but the second logically seems right because its served by volume and is not ‘countable’ as ordinary (non-destroyed) beans might be.
Depends whether you consider the noun countable or not. Too many peas, too much mashed potato. It’s purely semantics, I think we can consider refried beans an edge case.
You would use too much, since refried beans is an uncountable noun. You have to add a unit to it to make it countable.
You would say “there’s too much refried beans on my plate, and too many cans of refried beans in the pantry.”
By adding “cans” to the noun phrase, you’ve made the refried beans countable, you may now use “too many.”
What? That is not at all how that works. Beans is the plural of bean, therefore, many is the only correct option.
Talking “refried beans” as a noun phrase, not beans.
Refried beans does not have a plural noun form. You have to give it a unit. “twenty plates of refried beans,” “pounds of refried beans,” etc.
It like oil. You don’t say “top up my car with oils.” If you add more than you’re supposed to, you put in too much, not too many.
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Beans are countable. We’re talking about refried beans though. It’s a paste. You cant count paste.
It’s like saying “oil.”
You have to give a unit.
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“Excess beanage.”
NGL… I kinda want to tell someone to reduce their beanage without any context, and walk away.
“Too many” if you’re referring to the beans themselves. “Too much” if you’re referring to refried beans as a dish you have been served.
Edit: just remember: “too many” as reference to a quantity of things, “too much” as reference to a volume or a quantity/amount of a thing. In this case, the “thing” was the dish being served (refried beans). Since it was the dish, itself, being considered (not each individual bean) the phrase was being dealt with, grammatically, as one whole unit— a dish that was served to you, of which you had too much.
Obviously this is very context dependant, but here’s my take:
“I ate too many refried beans” = in one meal, I consumed more refried beans than I should have
“I ate too much refried beans” = over the course of an extended period of time, I ate meals consisting of refried beans more frequently than I should have
Shouldn’t it be “too much of”?
I think you’re just going to have to call it “too much refried bean paste”
“This isn’t what I asked for.”
“But… It’s refried beans.”
“Exactly. Beans. I specifically said one refried bean. This is too many refried beans!”
I think it depends on if you view beans as individual beans or not.
Since refried beans is not countable, I vote for “too much”.
Example:
- I’m gassy because I had too much refried beans
- I am gassy because I had too many burritos
Or like someone else suggested, make the noun singular and call them “refried bean paste”. This will probably raise more eyebrows than much/many confusion, though.
“Scrambled eggs” is kind of similar. You could say, “I had too many scrambled eggs” or, “I had too much scrambled egg.”
So I think the correct version is:
“I had too much refried bean.”
You would say “too much mash potato” rather than “too many mash potatoes”, and the consistency is similar
Difference is with “refried beans” the countable noun is plural (“refried beanS” vs “mash potato”).
Saying “too much refried bean” sounds a bit more natural.
This is literally the first time I’ve ever heard mashed potato be singular. My phone even tried to make it plural.
Probably one of those regional variations that would look interesting overlaid on a map…
I would have said “mashed potato” for your first example.
When it comes to refried beans, “too many” or “too much” are both incorrect. The correct construction is “may I have some more please?”
Please sir, may I have some more 🥺?
Señor*
Also, I’d love to see a version of Oliver Twist where the orphanage exclusively serves tex-mex for some reason.
19th century london orphan taste buds who are used to the blandest of the blandest slop only get to eat really spicy food at the orphanage for the added cruelty.
HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY FLAN IF YOU DON’T EAT YOUR BEANS!?!
A twist on Oliver Twist with Churro twists.
You can’t have any pudding until you eat your meat.
Regardless of whether the noun is countable or not, it would typically still be “too much” when referring to how much you’ve eaten.
Consider the scenario where you’ve had only one steak (countable noun), but you had too much steak.
Of course, it’s not always like this. You might say that you had too many cookies for dessert.
It seems like the problem goes away if you add a “the.” I had too much of the refried beans.
Your point is fair, but I respectfully disagree. “Beans” being plural makes me want to use “many.” “I had too many of the refried beans” parses fine for me.
Counter question:
Would you also use “many” for mashed potatoes, since potatoes is plural?
I don’t think I’ve ever been asked to quantify mashed potatoes in such a way, but after reflecting for a moment, yes. Thank you for an interesting question.