• @Chickerino@feddit.nl
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    52 years ago

    ive only upgraded from my 2014 shit phone in 2021, and i plan to do the same with this one for as long as i can

    • @NuPNuA@lemm.ee
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      22 years ago

      I’ve been sin only for a while, didn’t realise it had jumped up from the average 24 months in the UK now.

  • ODuffer
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    42 years ago

    You’ll have to prise my 4a 5G out of my cold dead hands…

  • @shinjiikarus@mylem.eu
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    That is going to be a problem for apple, better make the next iPhone’s battery be unreplaceable and self destruct after 2 years.

    • @Oisteink@feddit.nl
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      172 years ago

      I’ve been using iPhones since iPhone 4. So far I’ve had the iphone4, iPhone 7+ and iPhone 13max.
      All my phones have been replaced upon end of updates. I think you mix android and iPhone here - I know nobody under 70 that manage to keep an android over 2 years

      • Alto
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        And pretty much everyone in my family has used our android phones for 4+ years for as long as I can remember.

        It’s almost as if anecdotes are worthless!

      • MaXsteri
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        12 years ago

        I’m way under 70, and I’m using an S10e I brought in 2019. So four years.

        Updates stopped coming in March. But I’ve no plans to replace the phone yet. Since this one works fine, and very few phones released since have the features that matter to me.

      • appel
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        62 years ago

        My dad is still using my old OnePlus one from 2014. Works fine for him. Using lineage OS. I know it doesn’t get security updates but he’s not stupid and doesn’t use it for anything security critical anyway.

      • @Infinitus@lemmy.world
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        Low end devices normally last less than high end ones. It’s easy to forget that, as all iPhones were designed as high end, that phones can still be made out of cheap plastic and cost 200 bucks. Any android device in the sane price range as the iPhone will last at least as long. (And, for context, I’m writing this from an iPhone 11)

      • @shinjiikarus@mylem.eu
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        82 years ago

        Oh sorry, this wasn’t an iOS-vs-Android dig, all the android manufacturers are constantly near bankruptcy, but apple has shareholders who are expecting growth, they will be hurt the most by consumers holding their on to their phones longer. (Samsung is reporting over 90% profit shrinkage, the Chinese brands are probably just PLA plants to capture as much communication as possible worldwide without a profit motive to begin with)

  • @infix@lemmy.world
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    82 years ago

    Still rocking my iphone X! Upgrade may be in order this September as the battery lasts about an hour and the screen is cracked, but damn good run.

    • @alxhghs@programming.dev
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      Not as old but I have an iPhone 11 and I just replaced the battery. Feels good as new and the battery wasn’t expensive

    • WagesOf
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      I think the most popular phone in the last ten years is an IPhone 5 w a broken screen.

  • @Darkhoof@lemmy.world
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    192 years ago

    Not surprising. For most people smartphone reached a point where replacing every two years is pointless. My phone is also 4 years this year, still holds his battery and works flawlessly.

    • @Aasikki@sopuli.xyz
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      22 years ago

      Only just replaced my close to 4 years old OnePlus 7 Pro, because it just bricked out of the blue. Would have happily used it for a couple more years. Practically the only improvements on my Pixel 7 Pro, compared to the OnePlus, are battery life and the cameras (especially since I was running Pixel experience on it anyways).

    • r00ty
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      I think it is mainly battery life which drives upgrades now. Unless you really want the best camera. It’s the only thing that seems to improve for the last few iterations.

      • @Aasikki@sopuli.xyz
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        12 years ago

        Everything else is pretty much perfected at this point, but batteries and tiny cameras are hard to perfect. Still have to wait more than two years to see any meaningful improvements in either of those.

    • @criticon@lemmy.ca
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      42 years ago

      I’ve been upgrading every two years because usually they have some promo for trade ins (Samsung) so I’m getting a new battery and warranty (and slight improvement of camera) for about $200

  • @krowmada@lemmy.world
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    32 years ago

    my XR is still going strong. unless the quality starts decreasing dramatically, I see no reason to upgrade just yet

  • @hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz
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    42 years ago

    i used to buy a new one every 2 years or so,but after switching to pixel 6 and graphene os, I think I will replace it once it’s no longer supported.

  • @feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
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    352 years ago

    What do you mean “instead of”? I always heard it was a three year product lifecycle anyway, which is already annoyingly often.

  • @aceshigh@lemmy.world
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    332 years ago

    i use electronics until they’re unusable. my last phone lasted 6 years, my laptop lasted 11 years. i don’t have a tv or anything else.

      • @Thoth19@lemmy.world
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        52 years ago

        I watch all of my shows from laptop personally (not the person you are replying to). I don’t care super hard about the big screen. And it means I can do other things on my other monitors at the same time.

        • @dustyData@lemmy.world
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          12 years ago

          I like working at the living with the TV precisely because it offloads the work to a different device. So compiling and running heavy scripts doesn’t affect the video playing and the reproduction doesn’t compete for CPU/GPU cycles or internet bandwidth with work tasks. It’s not about the big screen (though I do enjoy big screens) but more about separation of concerns.

  • @brewery@feddit.uk
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    72 years ago

    I bought a new phone after having the old one for 3 years and as a treat to myself. It was an S22 Ultra. I regret buying it as the improvements are very minor compared to my old phone, and definitely not worth the massive hike in cost.

    The camera is better but tbh, I barely notice it as its mostly a few photos for memories. I’m not printing them on canvas or anything so no point really having such high quality photos. Will definitely hold onto this one for as long as i can

    • Ataraxia
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      12 years ago

      I had a crappy honor 5x which had a fake camera and a bunch of fake features, also it had some Spyware on it that caused me to have to report fraudulent charges on my bank account and eventually the battery got spicy. Got a s20 ultra at launch and actually love this thing. It’ll last me a few years more.

    • @jivandabeast@lemmy.browntown.dev
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      12 years ago

      About to enter the same boat, I have the Note 20 Ultra and its on the eve of losing security update support. Don’t necessarily want to upgrade but i feel like i don’t have a choice.

      Going to look at something like the Nothing Phone 2, it’s not nearly as expensive as the S23 Ultra (which is my direct upgrade path) but is plenty fast enough and has at least some interesting quirks and features.

      Tbh, i could get a used digital camera + a mid range android phone and probably out perform the flagship Samsung.

      • @NUMPTY37K@lemmy.world
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        32 years ago

        My Samsung s22 has sooo many bugs compared to my old pixel phone Def not worth it Samsung software has really gone downhill

        • @jivandabeast@lemmy.browntown.dev
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          12 years ago

          Yeah seems like it, im starting to think id rather have the “subpar” camera of the Nothing Phone 2 than deal with the Samsung skin (which i end up covering with a launcher anyway)

    • @SupraMario@lemmy.world
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      242 years ago

      Just get a the battery replaced. With the new rule for the EU forcing companies to make the phones with user replaceable batteries, it’ll be even easier.

      • @BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world
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        62 years ago

        I thought about it last time but the whole thing where I’m not getting OS updates anymore make me anxious. I’m not sure that’s actually a problem though.

        • anguo
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          52 years ago

          It’s a little more hands on, but when you reach the end of OS updates support, you can switch to a community-supported OS.

            • anguo
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              32 years ago

              No, there are unfortunately no truly workable Linux OSs for phones yet AFAIK. But there are plenty of Android-based OSs that work really well, and are usually maintained for quite a while, depending on the popularity of your device. Look into LineageOS, or Pixel Experience, to name a few.

              • Fubber Nuckin'
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                12 years ago

                There’s ubuntu touch. I’m not sure how many phones that works on though.

            • @EtherWhack@lemmy.world
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              62 years ago

              Sorta. (Android is technically Linux) What you would want to look into is a custom Android ROM. Something like OmniROM or ArrowOS.

              As a side note though, installing can be a bit technical for some people and some apps don’t like to work outside of the “security” of a factory version of Android. If you are interested, I would browse around the custom Android communities here (if there are any yet) and check out sites like https://www.xda-developers.com/

                • @ThePinkUnicorn@lemdro.id
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                  32 years ago

                  Rooting is a slightly separate thing from sideloading a custom rom, rooting gives apps you give permission to access to system files whereas sideloading a rom replaces the system files but doesn’t necessarily give you root access. Both involve a similar process of unlocking the bootloader, installing a custom recovery and flashing a file so it is easy to get the two things mixed up.

  • @NuPNuA@lemm.ee
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    782 years ago

    Unless you’re doing very specialist stuff, phone tech peaked a while back for the average user who’s only going to do some web browsing, social media, listen to some tunes or watchbsome funny videos. All the little incremental changes aren’t groundbreaking for that use case.

    Until foldables are both reliable and cheaper, phones have stagnated in terms of visably appealing features.

    • Ready! Player 31
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      52 years ago

      Yep, I’ve just gotten a Pixel 7 Pro after 4 years with a Oneplus 8 Pro and really it’s a very incremental change. The camera on the P7P is incredible, just astounding, but on the Oneplus it was amazing. Otherwise they’re very much of a muchness.

      I’m thinking I’ll hang on to this one for another four years and hopefully by then foldable will be well tested and slightly cheaper.

      • @jballs@sh.itjust.works
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        62 years ago

        What’s funny is that the camera on the Pixel isn’t a hardware thing. It’s mostly the post processing software that Google uses. So even that doesn’t require upgrading to a new phone that often, since the hardware isn’t as important as it once was.

    • @nomadjoanne@lemmy.world
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      22 years ago

      Yup. Price per flop or whatever is cheaper than ever but after a certain point it doesnt matter. Also I don’t do specialist stuff on my phone. I do it on my desktop rig that can actually run arbitrary code I give it.

      I do have a few friends with money who just need that latest 50 megapixel phone camera or that 4k phone screen. But I don’t much care.

    • @SeaOtter@lemmy.ca
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      Not sure I agree that phone tech has peaked a couple years ago for the average user. What technology peaked years ago?

      Camera? Efficient processors? Display panels? Biometrics? Batteries? Cellular/Wi-Fi modems? Emergency satellite connectivity? I cannot think of a single technology (I am on iPhone 14 Pro) that is not at least marginally better than a year or two ago, and pretty meaningful improvement from ~5 years ago.

      The rate of technological improvement has slowed or plateaued, but there is a pretty reasonable argument that current flagship technologies are the “peak”, even for average user, if only incrementally. I agree that this plateau, coupled with upgrade cost, is making it a harder choice to decide to upgrade for average user.

      • WagesOf
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        You’re on apple, they certainly haven’t had a user noticeable change for the last 6 years.

        For me on android the last “must have” was variable refresh up to 120hz. I’ll probably even do a battery upgrade on my s21 when it can’t last a full day rather than hit an s25.

        The only blocker I’ve hit with is yuzu on android, which kind of just doesn’t work at all still.

        • @SeaOtter@lemmy.ca
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          Okay. Trying picking up a iPhone X (releases Sep 2017) vs iPhone 14 Pro and see the difference. There are a lot of quality of life improvements that make a noticeable difference in user experience.

          • 120hz
          • better battery life
          • 2x as fast charge
          • much brighter screen, always on if that interests you
          • triple camera sensors, with wide lens vs double, no wide lens
          • LiDAR to improve portrait photos
          • faster Face ID (used 100s of times a day)
          • satellite communication for emergencies
          • MagSafe charging/docking ability
          • 5G (really only find it useful for hotspots)

          I can confidently say everyone of these features has improved my user experience. None of them by their self are earth shattering, but taken as a whole, the constant iterative improvements have amounted to quite a lot.

          • Freeman
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            As someone who just had an Galaxy S7 or something for 6.5 years this all sounds way overkill. I’d probably disable everything possible to get even more battery life out of it.

            If someone uses this phone for gaming or working or for documenting/photographing a trip or something, then its maybe worth it but for everyday use its just overkill imo

          • @waz@feddit.uk
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            Still using an iPhone X and the only things in your list that interest me are faster charging and LiDAR. But nothing to do with portraits; I want it for 3D scanning objects for CAD models for 3D printing. But I’d use it maybe a few times a year.

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            as someone with an XR the only thing on that list maybe the camera and sat coms, but I have a DSLR and InReach device

        • @itsJoelle@lemmy.world
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          22 years ago

          It’s interesting you claim “they certainly haven’t had a user noticeable change for the last six years”, and then cite a feature addition “on android” which was implemented on the iPhone 13.

      • @nudl@lemm.ee
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        If anything if you just go with “got good enough for the average user years ago”, that works.

        I’m on a cat s62 pro with a 5 year old Snapdragon 660, and, while it shows its age, it functions just fine and will for the next few years.

      • @stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca
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        Cameras are mostly software improvements these days. I argue displays have gotten worse with the drop from QHD to 1080p. Many think that the back fingerprint readers are better than the under screen or facial ones. 5G is mostly pointless. All while costs have increased greatly. A phone today doesn’t better meet my use cases than the phone I had 6 years ago and in many ways is worse (lower res screen, no headphone jack, inflated prices).

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          Many think that the back fingerprint readers are better than the under screen or facial ones

          They are. I could have my phone unlocked before even seeing the screen with the one on the back. The under screen one sometimes takes a couple tries and takes longer when it works. It’s cool tech, but the stand alone reader was better.

  • appel
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    Smartphone CEOs dumbfounded when no one wants to buy their $1999 xPhone 25 Pro Max XXL Z-Flip 4d-folding hextuple AI 8k camera with Bionic 10Ghz chip including real neurons

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      Which is ironically the same as the $1999 xPhone 24 Pro Max XXL Z-Flip 4d-folding hextuple AI 8k camera with Bionic 10Ghz chip including real neurons from last year.

      • Senicar
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        Nah, the 25 has a stylus. The 24 didn’t. The 26 won’t either.

        • @Wahots@pawb.social
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          The 27 will come in an exclusive shade of grey! Instead of last year’s exclusive shade of dark grey. Rumor has it they might even try a grey-green in 2030.

  • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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    Had mine since October 2017. Huawei Honor 9. Getting a bit shit now, random power offs below 25%, slow as balls, the usual.

    A lot of that is likely just web bloat and inevitable battery death.

    So what are the better mid-range phones these days? I’d rather have as little non-uninstallable crapware as possible.

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      Pixel “a” Phones are basically the continuation of the (formerly midrange) Nexus. Though Fairphone is entering the US market, they look like they’d be a solid choice.

      • Fubber Nuckin'
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        42 years ago

        I would buy a fairphone in a heartbeat if it had a headphone jack.

        I know lots of people find they can get away without it but i use mine literally every day and i much prefer it over navigating menus to use Bluetooth.

        • Dark Arc
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          12 years ago

          Yeah, I definitely mourn the headphone jack too… I’ve learned to “live without it” on a lot of stuff, but it was such a nice port, I wish Apple hadn’t killed it.

        • @realharo@lemm.ee
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          There are the USB-C to headphone jack dongles. Not a great solution, but they exist.