Plastic bottles in general should be illegal. It’s cans, glass bottles, or GTFO when it comes to beverages for me.
FYI cans have a plastic liner to prevent acidic foods from dissolving the aluminium, so there’s still some plastic in it (much less then fully plastic bottles tho)
We should really advance to “glass only” for single use containers (unless you have a really good reason to prefer plastic, like if it’s a medical product) and invest in the infrastructure to recycle them - a country can get up to a 99% recycle rate for glass if it puts the work in.
Yes glass is potentially less safe but my gut tells me that the risk of more broken glass is offset by the reduced air pollution and associated health risks.
It’s more that it’s heavier, so you have to transport a lot more weight for the same amount of product.
Secondary to that, glass can’t be shaped as compactly as an aluminum can or plastic bottle, so it takes up more room for the same amount of product.
There’s no perfect solution, which is why we have a lot of options.
There’s no perfect solution, which is why we have a lot of options.
But in the category of “single use drinking containers”, all of the options besides glass carry with them more and worse externalities than what glass production and recycling carries. Which is why “having a lot of options” isn’t a positive in this case, it just means that a large part of the market is operating in a way that is more destructive to society than it needs to be.
What about Tetra paks?
Aren’t they as equally unrecycleable as plastic?
I can’t even put them in my recycling bin…which is where the glass and plastic goes.
I dunno. it takes a lot more heat to melt and recycle some glass that plastic. that and the transport weight is a whole lot of extra environmental cost.
and the whole separating by color thing in the recycling bins. best bet is to reuse the bottles for the same beverage by rinsing them back at the original bottling plant but that is a logistics nightmareit’s not a logistics nightmare, we used to do that until plastic gave us the idea of single use containers, many restaurants still do it with larger 1L bottles
also, while yes glass does have a really high melting point, most plastics never get recycled and instead get burnt, releasing a lot of toxic chemicals in the air (and even if they weren’t, you can only recycle some types of plastics, and even if you did, new objects can be made only by some percentage of recycled plastic, and never 100%)
I’m curious as to how the math works out comparing fuel burned per unit of product delivered for each container medium.
Ah, but without plastic bottles how would we generate additional profits from the excess waste of oil production?
Glass has the best taste too, because it is almost totally chemically inert, you don’t get the odd flavor changes that you do with aluminum cans or plastic bottles.
Hated this greasy garbage as a kid
Greasy?
Seems he got a bad bag, I guess.
I think it’s how they say “trashy” in Canadastan.
It gets worse, they are switching the line to whoop-ass, it will no longer come in a can.
So, what!? Now I have to pop a straw in a pouch of whoopass?! What is this world coming to!?!?!
Dude don’t make me straw up this whoop-ass.
Hahahahaha!!
You gonna make me tear open a baggie of whoopass, if you keep going!
I see a ton of comments here hating on nostalgic people, with no actual nostalgic people in sight yet.
Personally I don’t care if a pouched drink exists or not, but if they are no longer producing pouched drinks they should probably retire the brand.
Do you remember what a CapriSun tastes like? It’s somewhere between an extremely-artificially flavored “juice” concentrate and a “fruit flavored” drink like Kool-Aid. The whole appeal was the packaging.
179 post score seems highly nostalgic to me tbh
I invited myself because it’s an interesting article, nothing to do with nostalgia.
It’s quite literally a bit of orange juice, filled up with water and loaded with sugar.
Any chance you are thinking of SunnyD?
It also includes flavoring (of which the orange juice is one). They come in more flavors than just orange.
THEY DO?!
I see a ton of comments here hating on nostalgic people, with no actual nostalgic people in sight yet.
…yeah you’re in a Lemmy comment section.
This is absolutely reeks of a bullshit “OMG the sky must be falling for you” condescending article from an older generation that thinks younger nostalgia is silly. I wouldn’t give this article any more credence than a boomer yelling “Avocado Toast!” at you when you’re enjoying a nice brunch. It’s just needlessly sensationalist shit stirring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69zaM1ImvUE
The least they could do is shift to metal cans ffs.
No this is good, I’ve been complaining about this since I was a kid and drank one where the straw got all clogged up so I cut into it and there was some creepy gross dead worm looking thing.
shit rots your teeth anyway
Are you just talking about sugar content or something more?
I only have my experience but consuming Capri sun specifically gave me cavities. Like zero to six in six months when I started getting it for lunch as a kid
I very specifically remember the controversy 15-20 years ago when it was found that many of these pouches had mold in them, and you couldn’t see it because of the pouch or even taste it. I’m sure the quality control since then has improved, but any time I see a pouch of juice, I think about that mold incident.
When they started doing the childrens semi-solid foods (applesauce) in similar packs, they had the exact same problem for YEARS
The form factor sucks ass and I wish they’d find a better way for both types of product
Is that why some brands made the back of the pouch transparent?
I would assume so. I would also think a lot of people just aren’t comfortable consuming something that they can’t see.
Now if only we could get transparent aluminum cans.
(I mean technically we can? But it wouldn’t be the same. Just super dense synthetic corundum at best.)
I know a guy who can help.
it would be so crazy if we used that one barely functional tried and true for hundreds if not thousands of years product called glass.
Yes, but I meant the full can experience. Like pop top, leave it on the counter and the fizz dies. Lol.
Yes
Meh, I’m well into my 40s and solidly don’t give a shit.
I’m proud of you! Letting go of your childhood nostalgia and stop regarding it as an unachievable goal and safe place to return to is a first step towards maturity!
I have always, for the entirety of their existence, hated those dumb pouches. Good riddance as far as I’m concerned.
Seconded. And trying to stab the flexing surface with that weak-ass straw.
You have to kind of service the top edge of the hole with the tip of the straw to soften it up before you guide it the rest of the way in.
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Skill issue 😉
Unironically, there’s a technique to it. I forgot how after I got older, and was genuinely frustrated trying to drink from one until I remembered how to do it.
They made a really loud noise in the lunchroom if you inflated the pouch all the way, folded over the straw to seal it, then stomped on it really hard with your shoe. This was before mentally deranged people started shooting up schools though, so maybe don’t try it.
Mentally deranged people have been shooting up schools since before Capri Sun was even invented…
How old are you?
I’m not going to look it up to verify, but I’m pretty sure Capri Sun existed before Columbine.
Columbine was far from the first school shooting. According to the Washington Post:
“The first recorded school shooting in the United States was in 1853 at a schoolhouse in Louisville, Kentucky. On November 2, 1853, Matt Ward shot and killed teacher William H.G. Butler with a pistol hidden in his coat pocket.”
I know it’s not the first, I never claimed it was. But as someone who is old enough to remember what life was like before Columbine, that was the one that changed everything. That’s when we started having active shooter drills.
Then 9/11 just amplified it.
It’s that I’ve been in schools with after school activities in the last year.
Kids were popping chip bags and nobody drew weapons or jumped because of a loud pop that sounds nothing like a normal gunshot.
I was in school before columbine ever happened.
I don’t think violence in is ok in most situations. I think America has a mental health and gun issue.
I like the Capri Sun mylar things from a nostalgic perspective.
I think the very important point you’re missing is that schools did not exist in fear of school shootings before Columbine. There were no lockdown drills and crazy security measures for entering and leaving the building. So making a big loud noise would not make people instantly think someone was shooting up the school like it very well might today.
I’m not sure how I missed that from their first post. /s
I get it, you’re scared. Noone was ever scared like that before.
Edit: I looked it up, mocked a false statement and declaration of ignorance.
Got downvoted. I’m not promoting violence, I’m mocking ignorance.
I think you replied to the wrong post
And - Rudolf Wild invented the drink in 1969
The pouches seem like less plastic.
They have these revolutionary containers made from paper that is layered in order to make it hard and card like. Almost stiff as a board. And is capable of holding liquids and also breaks down very easily. 😒
I’m in!
What are they lined with to prevent them from getting soggy from contact with the liquid?
Polyethylene and/or aluminum foil but iirc before plastics, it would have been wax.
Probably parrafin.
Take a wild guess what parrafin is made from…
Not sure if it has the same issues breaking down as plastic, but it’s still a petroleum byproduct, so we should probably be moving away from it.
Being made from petroleum isnt bad. its a byproduct of distilling lubricates.
Probably Teflon 🤣💀
Oh no. I can’t relive the childhood frustration of being unable to access that sweet nectar shielded behind an impenetrable puncture-proof material with no tools to work with but the flimsiest of mini plastic straws.
Then you push hard enough to punch through, and the straw goes straight out the back too.
That was the worst. I loved it.
Skill issue. You could always penetrate the tiny hole with your canines if you were adamant enough
If you were god-level, you could slurp it out through the little hole.
They even made one of the ends of the straw pointy to give the false illusion that you can easily stick it in. Of course, all it did was puncture a hole so tiny that the straw (that had been bent several times already) couldn’t go in, so you just sucked the juice out of the package with your mouth.
I don’t know about over there, but here they’ve started selling them with paper straws. Making it even more impossible to puncture that stupid little hole while ruining the straw in the process.
And of course it’s the only thing my daughter wants to drink. I’ve had to resort to using a nail file to open those things.
I hate paper straws. There are many different compostable straws and paper is about the worst.
It’s like a game now. Can you finish the entire pouch before the straw disintegrates? Stay tuned to find out.
A bottle that’s actually a drink vs. a pouch that’s barely a mouthful? I’m OK with that…
A 30 Pack of pouches was sold for like 0.05 to 0.20 USD per fluid oz.
They sell large 96 fl oz bottles at roughly 0.30 USD per fluid oz, so you’re actually getting less drink with bottles as things stand currently.
Yeah but kids also take much smaller sips than adults. That said, last time I drank a Capri Sun, I downed it in one squeeze and was super disappointed.
|I downed it in one squeeze and was disappointed
This was and always will be all of our experience. Child or not, this was and is the only way
YAY! More plastic!!!
I imagine it’s pretty much the same amount of plastic as they’ve always had.
The correct choice would have been paper/cardboard bottles, which is easier to recycle
Juice boxes have a plastic lining, which is still better for the environment but not necessarily easier to recycle.
Bottles are 80% more plastic than pouches and cost more. The only good part is those pouches are not usually recyclable at all and sometimes bottles get recycled.
“Sometimes” feels a bit generous. From a quick search I can find estimates that 5-9% of all plastic is recycled. It might be higher or lower depending on the specific kinds of plastic these bottles use, but most of it is probably ending up in a landfill anyways.
I was being generous. Aluminum, steel & glass are the only materials that get regularly recycled. All the others are usually trashed, even if you sent them to recycling.
Technically a shift from Mylar to PET might be more environmentally friendly, but yeah I would prefer cans or cardboard box drinks, you know: the ol waxed paperboard beverage carton
It’s probably paraffin wax they use, which is basically plastic.
Absolutely plastic lined all, I was just trying to be descriptive since that packaging type doesn’t seem to have any unique identifying names.
Parafin wax isnt a plastic… petroleum origin, sure.
But no, they are made with Polyethylene
No it’s not structurally “plastic” but it’s not biodegradable or reusable which is the point at hand so I think it was a reasonable comparison. (I also said “basically plastic” which clearly indicates similarity rather than equation)
Paraffin is an alkane, chemically similar to other alkane, such as methane, gasoline, etc.
Plastics are made from alkenes, with double carbon bonds, thus why they are harder to breakdown naturally.
In the United States, Kraft and its former parent company, the tobacco conglomerate Philip Morris Cos. (now Altria), have successfully marketed Capri Sun using strategies developed for selling cigarettes to children.[2] American parents often misidentify Capri Sun as healthy, and it is one of the most favorably rated brands among Generation Z Americans.
Never knew anyone thought they were healthy. I mean I’m glad there is Vitamin C in orange Hi-C, but I know on the rare occasions I drink it that it is 10lbs of sugar in a 1lb cup
The problem is right in the Wikipedia entry - its still way lower sugar than most competitors. So for an on-the-go drink, when the cup from home is dirty… Yeah its a healthier option than the others.
It doesn’t make Capri Sun good, its just the others are so sugary that its one of the better options of readily available drinks.
healthier option than the others
shops sell water my dude
Kids can get more than water, its OK to have a treat.
Oh hey, it’s a new thread to spread disinformation about plastic recycling!
I just double checked and the article doesn’t mention the words recycle or eco at all, does it?
It’s a nothing burger!
