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Are the 3.1% that like the manosphere okay? Do they need help?
They actually have internalized misogyny.
It’s pretty externalized. Saying or typing that women are “femoids” and talking about any guy who treats women like they as actual people as an inferior breed then your misogyny is fully flapping in the breeze with the rest of the dirty laundry.
Internalized implies that it’s at least one step removed from cartoonishly obvious levels.
Maybe they didn’t know what it meant
incel fetish
or “i can fix him”
or both
Had to Ctrl-F to find a comment about manosphere
So wtf is manosphere
All the Andrew Tate stuff. Low value men/women, general sexism and misogyny. Just weird, horny grfiters mostly.
It’s vaguely divisible between Incels, Men Rights Activists of the sort that like to complain to each other about how nobody cares instead of actually going out and doing activism and Pick Up artists.
Go figure the guys who treat women like they are sex vending machines who are the root of all societies ills aren’t popular with the ladies.
4% margin of error, is my guess.
i’m sorry blacksmithing? I mean it’s cool as fuck, don’t get me wrong, but have you seen that shit? it’s the LEAST sexy hobby by far.
Also, traveling is not a hobby, stop pretending it is. That’s like saying veganism is a hobby.
anyway, my main hobbies consist of playing minecraft or factorio like an autist, fucking around with linux, or philosophy, so i probably score, somewhere…
My wife loved the idea that I was into wood cutting. What she didn’t realize was when I said woodcutting, I meant I studied the blade and practiced chopping wood with my anime sword.
based
What’s with the anti blacksmithing sentiment? Most people just find someone’s genuine passion to be an attractive quality, wherever their interests lie.
nothing wrong with it, it just isn’t sexy or hot. The only “sexy” part of it is one of the less involved parts of it.
You still have to do a lot of cleanup and build work after the fact.
I mean i literally said as much in the comment lol
Not sexy? Perrin Aybara would like a word.
“this real life hobby isn’t hot?”
links a fictional universe:
Apparently you’re not sexy enough to understand
maybe not, but to be fair, i’m not really sure how many people consider smelling like coal and tasting like sweat sexy.
Throw in some steel and abrasive dust. And hooo buddy do we have a cocktail of… something.
I’ve always made the distinction that traveling is just going to average tourist stuff, beaches, camping, hiking, stuff like that, while traveling as a hobby is more like actually immersing yourself in the culture
yeah i understand the difference, but like i said, i feel like it’s calling veganism a hobby. If you like travel to the point where you live in various different places of the world at different times, you don’t travel as a hobby, you travel as a lifestyle.
It just doesn’t feel right to call that a hobby to me. Is socializing also a hobby at this point? That seems like a weird thing to consider a hobby.
I think it’s more of what kind of people women are imagining as a blacksmith. They’re probably imagining a rugged man in their 30s/40s with practical muscle definition and enough financial stability to have the time/land for their own personal forge.
Likewise Travelling is just a proxy for “a ton of disposable income, and willing to take their partner to nice places”.
i guess from that perspective it makes more sense, but i feel like you could easily throw something like “yard work” in there it would be equally as strenuous and status based lmao.
Yard work is a chore. Gardening is on there though.
yes but now your suburban home looks good and you’re proud of it. Seems relative equivalent to blacksmithing to me. Especially considering blacksmithing is actually the precursor to weapons manufacturing.
Gardening is close, though i think different enough to warrant being different.
I wonder if hobbies here may mean what people talk about primarily, because some aren’t hobbies unless it’s all you do or something. Like arguing online.
that might be the case, but i think this list is just… Poorly compiled to be honest.
Without knowing the prompt they replied to and how the scoring scale worked, its hard to take much from it.
Its like we took the useful and personal responses from each woman, randomized them and included outliers and things from other categories, and spit them out in a useless pile.
I’ve looked up the original article and some other articles, and one thing I’ve noticed is the ones here on lemmy focus more on what is highest vs lowest, while some articles focused on the comparison between men and women.
They had ~800 respondents, 48% identifying as women. They asked the same question, which I don’t know the exact question but the gist was what percentage of women found this hobby attractive. There are some disparities in perception, usually towards the more attractive than men think.
For instance, one article pointed out men assumed 7% of women found MTG attractive, whike women responded with 28.5%. There were also charts that focused on the largest disparities:
i like to think it was just like, multiple different forms, not even one clean one. lol
Where is gaming?
Somewhere between 33 and 87 percent I presume
I guess my astrophotography hobby has cancelled out my drinking and porn hobbies lol
Source?
Why is makeup so low? To me that’s super attractive if a guy likes wearing makeup because it shows that he is secure in his masculinity and probably isn’t a misogynistic asshole, but maybe I’m just into feminine men?
(Also I’m not saying that if guys don’t like wearing makeup then they’re insecure, it’s just that makeup is a visible thing so it’s easier to tell that they’re most likely more secure)
Why is makeup so low? To me that’s super attractive if a guy likes wearing makeup because it shows that he is secure in his masculinity and probably isn’t a misogynistic asshole, but maybe I’m just into feminine men?
i really hate makeup, it’s nothing other than an artistic expression of what you think you look good as.
which if you want to do it, i’m not stopping you i have better things to care about. But it’s also not that deep, there is no connection between men wearing makeup and being secure in their masculinity, there is a connection between men who won’t wear makeup because it’s bad for their masculinity and their insecurity in masculinity.
I feel like this is like saying “men who shave their faces are secure in their masculinity”
Did you see what I put in paren at the bottom?
Also I strongly disagree with the statement that there is no connection between men wearing makeup and them being secure in their masculinity.
… there is a connection between men who won’t wear makeup because … their insecurity in masculity.
This is exactly why I like men who are into makeup, because they’re not going to be insecure in their masculinity most likely.
For me this comes from having lots of bad experiences with masculine presenting men and it takes me a long time to feel safe around a guy, but if they are more feminine presenting I feel much safer around them because all the feminine guys I know have never done anything to make me feel unsafe.
Did you see what I put in paren at the bottom?
yeah, i just have problems with people drawing super wide and broad conclusions like this, even if they’re generally true.
Also I strongly disagree with the statement that there is no connection between men wearing makeup and them being secure in their masculinity.
i think there’s a correlation there, but i don’t think it’s directly linked. It’s not an additive thing, insecurity in masculinity is a reductive thing. It removes aspects from someones life, that’s why it’s an insecurity.
The more accurate statement here is that men who are secure in their masculinity are more likely to wear makeup.
For me this comes from having lots of bad experiences with masculine presenting men and it takes me a long time to feel safe around a guy, but if they are more feminine presenting I feel much safer around them because all the feminine guys I know have never done anything to make me feel unsafe.
that makes sense, but i think this is probably a whole other topic of discussion, i was mostly just annoyed by the way it was worded lol.
The majority of women on this earth will permanently lose her ability to like or respect a man if she ever perceives him as being too feminine. The definition of “being too feminine” varies from woman to woman but often includes crying, expressing any emotion other than anger, wearing makeup, driving a sedan, any number of fashion things, having or liking cats, liking or caring for children, so and and so forth.
I remember back in high school or college, around the time the first three Pirates of the Caribbean movies were coming out and Johnny Depp was America’s heart throb, I knew exactly two girls who specifically said they liked the eye shadow he was wearing. Relatedly, I’ve worn my hair long a few times in my life, and those specific two girls liked playing with my hair. Most of the rest of the women I’ve ever been with didn’t really want much to do with it.
Interesting, I’m wondering if that’s a generational difference or if it’s because I tend to hang around other queer people since I haven’t really experienced that with women.
I’m a trans woman and I wasn’t out when I was in highschool but I did present myself as a somewhat feminine man then and there were quite a few guys that I upset by simply existing, however women were more interested in talking to me after I started presenting more femininely. Although I think this is because they thought I was a gay man, and thus felt safer around me.
I’ve worn my hair long a few times in my life, and those specific two girls liked playing with my hair. Most of the rest of the women I’ve ever been with didn’t really want much to do with it.
i think it depends on how you wear the hair, and how you carry yourself, there are a handful of masculine long hair styles that just don’t work outside of a masculine aesthetic i think. Or at least have a perceptibly different aesthetic due to the person they’re attached to.
This is a lot less common among younger generations though. People care a lot less.
I brush my hair straight to get the tangles out then tie it back in a simple pony tail at the base of my skull. I don’t really style it much myself.
i think it’s a little bit more involved than the literal hair style personally, some people just look good without hair, some people just look good with hair.
I for example just look better with long hair. Something about the way my face is structured, and the natural position that my hair sits in, just makes for a better look that way.
Probably subjective, but i think that’s the only thing that matters lol. I think as long as you manage to find that style, and carry it well, other people will generally follow.
Foreign languages, bet they mean French and Spanish. And not the weebs learning Japanese or the Dutch
Also who would call their porn watching habits a hobby? It’s just something you do to kill some time, like scrolling social media. A hobby is something you can get better in or gain deep knowledge in. Calling porn a hobby is like calling eating, or shopping a hobby. Consuming stuff is not a hobby.
I met a guy whose hobby was painting vulvas. It was a very active hobby and his apartment was covered with his work. He seemed very proud - his gf not so much lol
The random callout of the Dutch is pretty funny. Dodged a bullet there.
Ah! I see you never did competitive porn!
Barbados Slim?
Lifting is probably the most attractive. Women like looking at fit men.
I speak from experience when I say you will get much, much more attention from guys admiring your work and wanting to trade workout tips than from women wanting to hop into bed with you.
A sense of humor and the ability to make interesting conversation will make up for a beer gut or scrawny arms.
I think there’s a line where it crosses over. Being “in shape” definitely makes you more attractive to women. Being anything above that definitely appeals more to men, and for many women even makes you less attractive
Yes. Generally speaking, women will find a person who is healthy and reasonably physically fit more attractive than someone who is obese or unhealthily thin.
The problem is that the point of diminishing returns on actual body building happens pretty fast. Some women do prefer guys who are big piles of muscle, but that’s a minority.
I learned that from experience. The reason “work out until somebody loves me” works is because you’re giving yourself time and learning to be a person who is fine being alone, not because of hours in the gym.
learning to be a person who is fine being alone
This is rarely mentioned but very important. If you’re not okay with being alone you’ll be desperate, which is very unattractive to just about everybody.
Once you’re fine with being alone the next step is finding someone who’s even better than being alone.
We aren’t talking about that though. What we’re talking about is hobbies. Money would be an even better Stat to have then both the things you mentioned.
“Money would be a better stat”.
Little red flag going up…
The fact that you think poverty is a better option then financial stability is a giant red flag.
That reply is pretty measured considering the topic of women’s preferences was already set. They weren’t going out of their way to hate on women.
People can be pretty shallow creatures, men and women alike. So obviously, whilst money or beauty is not the be all and end all, it allows people to make a better first impression and pass some initial filters. Denying that is just deluding yourself.
Obviously there are always going to be exceptions, some people are actively repulsed by wealth or the current beauty standards
I literally made r/Artisanvideos and I don’t think I’ve ever once seen a girl blacksmithing.
Yea, this struck me as odd, but at the same time… I probably would be attracted to a girl blacksmith for her hobby.
My takeaway is that gaming is a neutral.
The secret is couch co-op
Like, pornography is a hobby?
Watching? Or making?
I feel like hobbies and activities are being used interchangeably here. Both take time away from your girl, but some are ones you can enjoy together.
It seems one out of every ten women find guys who like porn attractive.
Did that say blacksmithing?
So gaming is above 33%?
I took that as gaming is 0% that no women alive think gaming/gamers are attractive.
(Me making sad gamer noises).
At least I like astronomy, gardening, hiking, cooking! But my personality, appearance, and complete and utter refusal to ever live with a dog negate all that lol
On way to and from work I am reading a book in Russian (Crime and Punishment/. Now I wonder how close to 100% is that.
Depends, is it about cooking?
Sadly, no. And I don’t know how to cook. Must be closer to 0% then.
Still doin better than ol’ Raskolnivok. Man’s would be lost without Nastasya.
New tinder profile: I’m a traveling blacksmith archer hiking today in your town. I’d love to cook you dinner and serve it on the portable table I handcrafted. I’d probably cook something from my own recipe book, hope you don’t mind.
Meanwhile pornhub is >30% women, but only 10% ticked the ‘porn’ box???
As for the porn; there is a big difference in consuming porn, and having porn as a hobby. Similar to the difference of driving a car and having cars as your hobby.
