Incase anyone tells you that lemmy.ml is not a tankie instance.

  • KillingTimeItself
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    1810 months ago

    i was recently banned from like 5 different ML communities, no clue why, hi ML admin or mod if you could tell me why that would be cool.

    It was probably something stupid i did, i never read rules. (in my defense, they’re always the same and i’m never going to follow them lmao) But regardless, silent bans are weird.

  • @[email protected]
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    14810 months ago

    Sure I’m a NATO apologist: I’m sorry NATO is necessary because Russia is such an antagonistic fuckwad.

    • @[email protected]
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      10 months ago

      The world was deeply afraid of Marxism. When Russia experienced a workers-led revolution in 1917, Western powers were terrified of the spread of Marxist ideas and the potential threat they posed to the capitalist world order. In response, several Western states, along with their client states, sent their armies into Russia, aiming to overthrow the newly established worker-run government under the Bolsheviks. We attacked first, in an effort to suppress a system we feared.

      This antagonism continued and evolved over the decades, culminating in the Cold War, where tensions between the Soviet Union and the West defined global politics. The Cuban Missile Crisis stands out as a key moment in this conflict. In fact, it was the United States that, in violation of international norms and against the Geneva Convention, installed nuclear launch sites along Russia’s borders in Turkey, heightening the threat and contributing to the Soviet response of placing missiles in Cuba.

      Historically, it’s clear that we have been antagonistic towards Russia, driven by a fear of communism and a desire to maintain Western dominance. This pattern of confrontation has had long-lasting effects on the geopolitical landscape, contributing to the strained relations that persist today.

      Dont take my word for this stuff, you can easily find information online, in text books.

      • @[email protected]
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        Not to defend Western European imperialism in Russia because fuck that but no one did more to destroy the newly established worker-run government than the Bolsheviks. I’m assuming you’re a ML–unfortunately they don’t allow factual discussions of history, so you’ll need to read some history outside of the thought bubble to learn the truth.

    • dubya
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      3310 months ago

      Russia had a choice: play by the west’s rules, or play second fiddle to China. They chose the latter unfortunately for them and for us.

      • @[email protected]
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        2010 months ago

        That’s just what happens when you go from tsarist serfdom state to a communist peasant regime to a “democractic” dictatorship while constantly greasing the gears with vodka and corruption.

        • dubya
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          810 months ago

          Hey at least the alcoholism has gotten a little bit better, right?

    • @[email protected]
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      1310 months ago

      Actual quote from Vladimir Putin:

      Dear NATO, we regret being imperialist bastards. We regret coming to Ukraine. And we most definitely regret that the VMSU just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!

  • @[email protected]
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    710 months ago

    Boo fucking hoo, you were wrong and come crying here about “tankies”? You are the exact same, just on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Get some self awareness. NATO is a bunch of warmongers who managed to get Putin to do the greatest PR coup for them just as they were losing significance - and now they could be important because at this moment Russian regime is the greater evil. But instead they do fuck all in helping Ukraine to a decisive victor, proving again that those shitstains just want to prolongue the conflict to line the pockets of their buddies in the military industrial complex. Disgusting fucks, all of them!

      • @[email protected]
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        510 months ago

        How weak is your position if the only “argument” you have is pretending to quote something that you invented yourself?

        • @[email protected]
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          610 months ago

          Figures, consent doesn’t seem like something that both you and the Russians understand.

          • @[email protected]
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            110 months ago

            And you felt like responding to me instead of the previous poster whose insecurities led him to lash out like that? Right on, nothing wrong with your brain, keep living your life just like that…

    • Lad
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      810 months ago

      It’s funny how NATO members continue to throw more and more money into the alliance like they’re about to be attacked tomorrow. Russia can’t even conquer a third of Ukraine, so they’re hardly going to be much of a threat to everyone else.

      If NATO is indeed a defensive alliance and the deterrent works, then there’s no need to put so much money into it at the expense of domestic needs for each member state.

      It’s a fantastic revenue stream for arms manufacturers who can keep getting fat contracts to make more equipment. The day the war ends it will be a disaster for them.

      • @[email protected]
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        610 months ago

        That is indeed the way it appears that the west is viewing this conflict. A great way to make extort a lot of money from taxpayers for “not enough to live but too much to die” support for Ukraine, and it’s perverse that the powers that be don’t even blink at sacrificing the lives of tens of thousands of Ukrainians for that.

        And come to think of it - a shorter conflict would also mean less Russian lives lost.

        Capitalism is murderous. :(

        • YeetPics
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          510 months ago

          Comment more, comment harder.

          The world rejoices when troglodytes like yourself get outted and labelled.

          Can you guess which tags I have over your username?

    • @[email protected]
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      2010 months ago

      NATO is a bunch of warmongers who managed to get Putin to do the greatest PR coup for them

      Lmao. I refuse to believe that any sane, adult person can hold this opinion. Nobody’s THAT fucking stupid, right?

      • @[email protected]M
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        2110 months ago

        Nobody’s THAT fucking stupid, right?

        Narrator: “They were, in fact, THAT fucking stupid.”

        I love that NATO is even Putin’s puppetmaster.

  • @[email protected]
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    1810 months ago

    Everyone’s just throwing away their masks left and right. Left is becoming full-blown marxist/leninist, right is becoming actual nazis.

    • nickwitha_k (he/him)
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      1810 months ago

      Anarchists: Are we a joke to you? Yes? Fair enough. We’ll be over listening to folk punk and reminiscing about Dr. King being right in his Letter from Birmingham Jail.

      • @[email protected]
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        710 months ago

        The extremists in the anarchist movement are the ones who pretend everyone would just work together fine and self-organize if there was no government at all, aren’t they? Or am I thinking of a different group.

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          10 months ago

          Those aren’t extremists, they’re children. I’m not saying that as an insult, I mean it literally.

          Actual, practicing anarchists are extremely bureaucratic. Ironically, anarchy in practice produces large, democratic governments that change slowly. Hilariously, a small republican government is best suited for making rapid progress. Note the lower case (d) and (r) - I’m referring to ideology, and not political parties.

          Anarchists create institutions that reflect democratic values, and when everyone must be given a chance to have a say, meetings are huge and take for-fucking-ever (speaking from lived commune experience here). Cliques and factions form and work together to shut down proposals they don’t like. Its actually a very conservative ideology - nothing changes quickly.

          • nickwitha_k (he/him)
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            210 months ago

            Very fair points and thanks for the acknowledgement that those who think that abolishing political structures will solve everything are not really ideological extremists but, at best, extremely naïve and in need of personal growth.

            There are so many flavors but, without some form of non-democratic structure (or, I don’t know, high-speed telepathy?), rapid change is indeed not readily possible in most anarchic systems, without a unifying external force like a disaster. I don’t think that that’s necessarily a bad thing though. In current social structures, the populace has been forced to go faster and be more productive so that the ultra-wealthy and others high in the socioeconomic hierarchy can enjoy their leisure. A lot of people suffering from mental health problems rooted in stress and anxiety would be greatly benefited by this changing.

        • nickwitha_k (he/him)
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          210 months ago

          I’d say that those “extremists” are more likely people who are young (either biologically or in exposure to anarchic philosophy) and a bit naïve. They may have their heart in the right place from the perspective of those of us who have been about for a while but, likely are lacking in real-world experience with anarchic social circles and challenges that they have (wreckers, narcissists, cliques, etc).

          What you’re mentioning is more of the shallow view of anarchism that’s most frequently portrayed as the alternative to the other popular Mad Max view that right-of-center groups like to use to portray “anarchy”. Neither are great at showing the full gamut of anarchic philosophy nor particularly accurate portrayals of extant or historical approaches to non-hierarchical societies.

      • @[email protected]
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        610 months ago

        Big up to the Anarchists. I’d love to be one but the best I could do is some evenings and every other weekend. I’ve become a decadent westerner in the last couple of decades. Sad face.

        • nickwitha_k (he/him)
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          210 months ago

          To me, the most important role of anarchism is as a “North Star”. My ideal society (something like anarcho-syndicalism) is not going to happen in my life. Easier to accept as a full adult. However, that doesn’t mean abandoning the ideals. It means examining them and the pre-conditions necessary to achieve them. Things like cultivating community and encouraging pro-social behaviors that are necessary to change culture for the better over time.

          Maybe when xers, millennials, zoomers, and alphas are and to finally take the reins and have some semblance of control over their own lives we will be able to see more change but for now, building and support is needed so that we don’t repeat things like the failed revolution in Iran that led to a theocracy.

          • @[email protected]
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            210 months ago

            Thank you for your inspirational pep talk. I hear what you say. I especially like that you have hope in the coming generations. I’m gonna go away and reflect on my cynicism now.

      • @[email protected]M
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        1010 months ago

        Like, MLs are doing literally what Marx saw in 1848 and spent the rest of his life firmly against - you can’t just will a revolution into existence. Even if the world would be better if you could. You can make a good go of it, you can die nobly in the attempt, you can even maybe overthrow the current elite - but what comes next is not going to be socialist, it’s not going to be a worker’s state, and very likely it’s not going to last. No matter how hard you believe in the virtue and intellect of your vanguard party.

    • Tomassci
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      5010 months ago

      Hey, as a non-authoritarian leftist, I can assure that MLs are just a subset that really wants to pretend they’re spearheading the Left to fulfill their bloodbath fantasies. There’s lots of us that don’t like them and aren’t like them at all.

      • @[email protected]
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        410 months ago

        fulfill their bloodbath fantasies.

        as if there’s not enough killing all over the world and in our very schools, these fucks always want some kind of civil war.

        sick fucks.

  • @[email protected]
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    1010 months ago

    Lmao of course this place is ran by hardcore war crime apologist PugJesus who advocates for jailing Edward Snowden and Julian Assagne.

    • @[email protected]M
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      1110 months ago

      Tell me more about how October 7 was Legitimate Resistance™. God knows you can’t get it up unless civilians are getting murdered.

          • @[email protected]M
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            610 months ago

            Apparently thinking that Ed Snowden has better PR than intentions is a violation of dogma.

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              Maybe people who hold power are all conniving bastards to some degree, and all of them should have their dirty laundry aired.

              Makes me think lemmy tankies can’t admit even their saints are flawed humans, too, because that’d mean they could never become perfect and can’t bear ever being wrong.

              • @[email protected]M
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                610 months ago

                Please don’t air my dirty laundry 🥺

                Joking aside, I have two primary problems with Snowden.

                1. His leaks were not just of the moral variety, but also exposed US spycraft. That’s… not great.

                2. I would have been much more convinced of his idealism, even as a change of heart from his prior opinions, had he gone somewhere other than fucking Russia. You expect me to believe you’re too moral to stand by while the US spies on its own people, and then go and settle quietly under Putin’s regime? Moron, hypocrite, or actual authoritarian scumbag, it doesn’t matter to me at this point. I have no desire to see him jailed at this point, but he’s no hero to my eyes.

                • @[email protected]
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                  210 months ago

                  I’m pretty sure Snowden is very opposed to Putin and everything the Kremlin does. He knew he’d be safe there. It was a smart move, evidenced by the fact that over a decade later, the world’s richest government hasn’t arrested him. Do you agree with the politics of your country’s leaders? I certainly don’t, but that doesn’t make me immoral for living here.

          • @[email protected]
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            110 months ago

            Why obama wont pardon edward snowden

            What do you think it means to not pardon someone? It means jail.

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              In Snowden’s case not really. Him not getting pardoned just means he remains in exile. And I’m not even seeing anything in explicit support of that.

  • dubya
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    10 months ago

    how dare you critize the regime comrade

  • @[email protected]
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    210 months ago

    You are a brainwashed propagandist with that comment. Good for them. Can you explain to me why the US and NATO did not intervene with the genocide in Georgia? Make that TWO genocides. Who did? How much territory did they take? You know that counts in your inaccurate figure just as an example.

    Americans are too stupid for the Internet.

  • AItoothbrush
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    410 months ago

    Unrelated to the post but how and why is only one thing in swedish and the rest is english(om 30 dagar)?