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How this is good for Mircosoft though? It makes sense if they want to do it opt-out, but the only reason why I can think of they don’t want it to get removed at all to sell data
I am wildly speculating it is to collect all the workflows from remote workers in the hopes they can sell the data to other companies for future automation. Just another way of squeezing money out of users who already paid for the software just to have more information stolen from them.
Well, needed “bug” that’s for sure
How could that even happen? It was either never intended to ship outside of the User Experience Package alongside actual system apps or it was intended to be capable of being uninstalled during development.
Sounds like the employees did a little insubordination, good job employee we love you.
How will this work at an enterprise level? I can absolutely say that the company I work for cannot allow that kind of information to be harvested. Our clients would have a conniption. I also can’t see our cyber security insurance covering that.
+1 for great use of “conniption”
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Man, even with updating the Adxm* or what ever the GP definitions are Windows 11 is already painfully under customizable. Like by a wide margin.
Microsoft is just a bug.
Microsoft confirms it’s just a bug.
The jokes are becoming reality, I swear…
Altogether now children “It’s a bug until…it’s a feature!”
it’s not for the end user, it’s for the end user’s boss who wants to monitor all their worker drones’ productivity
It’s not for the end user’s boss, it’s there to collect data for the future Microsoft user behaviour analysis tools that will be sold to the end user’s boss’s boss.
it can be for 2 things
but it’s definitely not for the benefit of anyone who’s forced to use it
Im pretty sure that’s illegal in EU (or at least in Germany).
Why measure performance metrics in terms of output when we can just 1984 everyone’s workstation.
Because that would, at one point, imply a full process audit, which will inevitably lead to some shit-stirring, especially in terms of management’s contribution to said output, making it much easier for the worker to see just how underpaid they are and probably hurting some manager’s feewings. We can’t have the truth! Better to Love Big Brother and blame the Drone!
They have better tools for that.
office boss using tools LOL good one
Hey, Steve and Drake are some of the bosses favorite tools!
It’s just too easy to dunk on MS these days. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
Twice. At point blank range. To the back of the head. With an elephant gun.
Or a mortar. Point blank.
Have you ever tried to shoot fish in a barrel?
Well, since the fish are just laying there, at the bottom, motionless and dead it’s pretty easy.
Who said they were dead?
Who said they were alive? The whole premises of the saying is that things are easy.
/me Laughs in Windows 10.
/me Laughs in Linux
I’m sure I’ll be there with you soon enough.
I’m still on windows ten. Currently trying to switch to Linux. What are your plans when end of life /support comes to Windows ten?
What are your plans when end of life /support comes to Windows ten?
Switch to Linux and run virtual machines when I need to use Windows.
Right now I don’t quite have the drive to do it, but an end to support for Windows 10 would push me over the edge. I just can’t stand Windows 11, not even because of all the bullshit but just the way it mandates the UI structure - last time I tried it my dealbreaker was that you can’t just have it always display all taskbar icons, you have to manually force each one to show. If a new icon comes up, it will be hidden.
If you don’t have prior experience with Linux, I’d advise making the switch before the end of win10 support. I made the switch a couple of months ago with no experience in Linux, and while it wasn’t a horrible experience it also wasn’t the easiest thing to do. Having the safety net of a Windows partition was really useful during the month or two as I got used to Linux, which I wouldn’t have wanted to do with Windows not in support anymore.
My experience is limited, but not no experience. In any case, it’s not like Windows 10 will be immediately unusable when support ends.
I went all in so I wouldn’t change my mind but the first year I was pretty nuch entirely problem free. I have had issues since, however. But compared to the work I put in on Windows unfucking things I think its been trivial.
That doesn’t even make sense… that’s actively antagonistic UI design right there. Goddamn.
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Your computer, their software.
Microsoft are unlike Facebook and Google in that they make you pay for the software they use to steal your data.
I might try to setup Win 10 LTSC which has support until 2027, but I mostly use Mint these days. Would still like to avoid Win 11, even if I only use it for gaming.
Im in the same boat, I’ll either move to some cracked version of windows without the recall bs, or more likely some linux distro.
There’s no reason to trust any homebrew or cracked Windows ISO. Just go with Win 10 LTSC. All the bullshit is removed and it has support until 2027. MAS flawlessly activates it. Linux is indeed the better option, and I’ll be heading that way soon enough.
It is so strange to see people flexing $PREVIOUS_WINDOWS when $PREVIOUS_WINDOWS itself brought in egregious anti-features that are now normalized and accepted by average users as “not malware”.
Yeah, but most if not all of those antifeatures can be removed very easily.
I find it much easier to start with a minimal canvas, and then to add only the things I want or need. Than to try to tear down aggressive features until something sane begins to appear from beneath.
I got too many games and programs installed in my current copy of Win10 to ditch it now, sadly. Too afraid of outright losing shit, or savegames, etc.
Besides O&O (or whatever it’s called) installs via Chocolatey, and you just uncheck the stuff you don’t want. Windows is stripped to bones in like 10 minutes.
You might be surprised at how many games just work on Linux. Have been running it on my laptop for a bit now and it hasn’t presented an issue. Check out https://www.protondb.com/.
Had a friend recently ask me to benchmark my PC as he was buying one and wanted a baseline number to compare against. Asked him what he wanted me to benchmark, (it was Mass Effect). The process was: install on steam, hit play on steam. The only annoying part was I had to wait for the new game cinematic to finish before I could get a FPS reading.
O&O Shutup10 is pretty nice though.
User choice is an accident. Got it.
Microsoft says it remains on track to preview Recall with Windows Insiders on Copilot Plus PCs in October, after the company has had more time to make major changes to Recall.
Just in time for Halloween. That’ll be sure to give people a good scare.
But… But they got the good press of “at least you can uninstall”. I hope whoever said that starts a bigger shit storm now.
I don’t get it. People riot over less. Why is there not more ire, anger, and vitriol online?
Do they? Sure, people riot all the time with very good reason. But usually it’s like, they don’t have access to food, or they’re being forced to work longer because the retirement age is increased, or maybe because they’re being evicted from their homes. Certainly these issues are not in any way comparable to a software feature that some people dislike.
It’s very carefully being shoved in by touching the waters and seeing how far they can go. The first few times there is outrage but after a while people get tired, miss that it is happening or simply don’t understand what it’s about. The changes aren’t that big but as a whole work towards something nobody wants. Same as with a lot of laws and / or social changes.
A lot of people are really good at justifying the problems by completely missing the point as well. i.e people going “Oh you can just disable/hide/remove xyz” when the issue is that xyz shouldn’t be there at all or be opt in, rather than opt out.
Then there’s the people that listen to these justifications without a second thought or even parroting them, giving them extra legitimacy to other people that come across these takes.
People riot
It depends on the country, I’d say.
over less
What is “less” for you?
I rioted once when I stubbed my toe. It was on a new Ikea bed which was a pain to put together, and the fact that it continued to cause me pain just set me over the edge. I went right down to the harbour and threw everything into the water, because let Posidon deal with it, only the bed got me back because I picked the wrong crates, I chucked my tea into the water instead. I was sad. It was 1772
Ngl you had me until the 1772 bit
Why is there not more ire, anger, and vitriol online?
As a more general answer, the web has been neutered with overmoderation and safe space mentality. Ire, anger, vitriol, which are all normal and valid emotions, systematically get hidden away.
Bringing it back to $NEWS_TOPIC, why are people using a software whose changes can bring them to ire, anger and vitriol? It sounds similar to growing angry with an abusive lover. “Why does he hit me?”.
God damn i hate what the Internet has become, i can barely even comment on YouTube
Is called “Windows” because they are always looking in at you. I have been on Linux since they announced recall, and their fucking one drive kept secretly uploading my desktop files! (Kept seeing sync icons, even with all that disabled). Since then I now have my wife, uncle, dad, friends, etc all running Linux now.
How? I have been trying to switch people to linux for over a year and failing
I gave them laptops, Linux mint pre-installed. I used to buy auction lots of broken laptops, so I got them for like $10 each. Threw in an SSD. It works as fast as a new machine for browsing the web and watching YouTube. I also pre-installed some common programs to get them started.
Wait wait wait… where do you get these? That sounds amazing lol.
It was a thrift store auction website, when they first started there was almost no one bidding, so I won TONS of awesome things for cheap. Eventually more and more people joined and the auctions are not as easy to find deals.
Ah dang, well, thanks anyway.
Just give up on any productivity software. And any specialty software unrelated to programming. And games.
Source: programmer that uses Linux daily.
Gaming on Linux is pretty good nowadays. I’ve only run into one or two games I couldn’t get working. The vast majority of games work with Proton right out of the box
Office on the Web can work for many people. I don’t know how many people actually use speciality softwares outside of Office, they must not be many. Games are pretty much click and play now, only some pesky anti-cheat that demands kernel access remains, but not every gamer plays those games.
Adobe suite is another big one. I know folks who have to use windows for Premier, Photoshop, illustrator ect. If Adobe ported their stuff to Linux, that would be a huge shift in the market
Let’s hope Adobe continues to extract ever more money out of its clients, so that the libre alternatives can get a chance for chipping it away at the edges, since there are many sectors where they are more in parity than libreoffice with microsoft office.
Still doesnt work, even when the person is only using a web browser
My reason was being that I couldn’t get HDR to work properly in KDE 6 plasma. Also 90% of the features from my graphics card that I use on a daily basis are missing in Linux.
If I didn’t have cutting-edge hardware paired with an Nvidia GPU, I would have already switched by now. I build a new PC once every decade, so I’ll check back in about 3-5 years once my hardware has aged enough that people are writing proper drivers for it that goes beyond the bare-bones featureset.
