It’s true. On Arch, you have to compile a different package for every pixel on your screen. It could take days to finish compiling and when it’s finished compiling all the pixels, you have to start all over again.
I switched to Ubuntu Cinnamon and now I can walk on my own feet again.
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It’s true, I have 3 monitors so it took a whole week to install
Nah, that’s Gentoo.
I had to laugh at “minimal kernel”.
yeah, arch is far from minimal
What kind of weak anon compiles his kernel without supporting the clearly required and already integrated hardware?
It’s fine and dandy if you remove coax or something, but video output? Really?
This kinda almost happened to me on my arch hyprland setup, good thing a quick search and editing the config file fix it lol. Nowadays I switched to fedora gnome and everything just werks ig.
I haven‘t used arch, but isn‘t this the general linux experience?
It’s not even the general arch experience
No, not at all. This stems from them compiling their own kernel for a minimal experience, which no distro which ship for default at all. This issue does not stem from the general linux experience, but the incredibly niche experience of micro-managing your own system.
Arch is more bare bones by default. Mainstream distros like Ubuntu come with way more stuff out of the box.
This is not an Arch issue at all, this is an issue of the dude compiling their own kernel and leaving out a ton of drivers for the minimal experience, default Arch will have plug and play HDMI support.
no not really. Using a stupid Projector is just as easy like on Windows on most Distros. Just some while ago I was chilling with friends and one dude had a little Projector and I for some reason always have my Fedora Laptop lying around in my Car. So I connected that thing and we watched movies. Plug and play. No one even noticed I use Linux. (I mean they know, but I mean in this case they were not reminded or anything) Started Movie, plugged in the Projector. Just worked.
Of course they know, you tell them all the time
The only people I accidentally remind that I use Linux all the time are my coworkers. Because I work in IT … on Windows. And it happens all the time that I mumble shit like “On linux this would be way easier”
To my friends, believe it or not. I actually don’t really talk about it. Just to that one friend who is into that stuff himself.
It’s the Arch users you think about who can’t shut the hell up about it.
Arch is the truest test of how much you’re willing to sacrifice for control.
You get control of everything on your system, but you’re basically on your own when it all goes to shit… which from how many of these posts I keep seeing seems to be a daily occurance haha
After using Ubuntu for a while I wanted to try out Arch once. Grabbed a step by step instruction and followed it.
Around step… 7 or something I ran into a wall, because the commands simply didn’t work. After messing around for an hour or two I finally gave up at that point. Of course that was years ago, so it might be easier now to install.
But overall I’d rather use Windows, Ubuntu or whatever, give me an OS where things just work, as I have actual work to do (instead of trying to fight with my OS). Hell, back in the day (~14 years ago) when using Ubuntu for school I once spent hours to get HDMI Audio to work, it was a nightmare.
Right now I just use Windows 11 on my desktop (as I game a lot and use Visual Studio) and Ubuntu on a server. I’d love to fully switch to Linux as my daily driver, but there’s simply too many features that wouldn’t work :-/
I tried out ubuntu about as long ago as you did, and for some reason I couldn’t get the internet to work. But because this was before smartphones, I had to boot back into windows, look up a possible solution, write it down, boot back into ubuntu, try it, didn’t work, rinse and repeat. After 2 hours I just gave up and went back to windows. It’s probably way easier now, but I’m still hesitant to give it another try.
Huh? That’s weird. Internet always worked for me, both over Ethernet and over WiFi. The only issue I had once (where it took me an extra hour or two) was with a school network that had extra protections, like a login. That one was tougher, especially when I then wanted to route a tunnel through it so I could play games in class.
But usually internet works flawlessly on any Linux distribution.
If you switch from Visual Studio to Rider it’ll make the migration fully to Linux much easier.
Lol, Rider is paid only. And it’s a subscription too!
My work pays for Visual Studio in the office and at home when I want to mess around in my free time Visual Studio Community (which has around 95% of the features of the paid versions) is free.
If I ever work for a company that uses Rider I might switch. But paying over a hundred bucks a year just for the little bit of personal use is insane.
Rider is free for Open Source projects: https://www.jetbrains.com/community/opensource/#support which should cover your personal projects.
Might also be worth asking around if your office have any JetBrains licenses. It’s pretty common to have one covering the .NET suite for dotTrace etc
I have nothing against well made paid software but I am not going to use a subscription model to pay for it. I am not looking for software that is looking to rent seek from me every month.
So you’d be OK paying a one time fee in order to own that version forever?
Because that’s literally how JetBrains works:
12 months of uninterrupted subscription payments qualify you for receiving a perpetual fallback license.
https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240845-What-is-perpetual-fallback-license-
(I promise I’m not a sales rep)
Huh didn’t know that and I’ve never even seeing anything remotely similar, sounds pretty fair.
I’m often very happy with Manjaro in such a case.
Easy install, nicely pre-configured, quite some variants to choose from (i like i3), and I still have practically Arch running - with some more stable Repos (which could bring some problems with AUR, but I never really had any major ones)
Hardly.
Gentoo is closer, it’s like Arch except you’re supposed to COMPILE every package…
Then there’s Linux From Scratch. You don’t download the Distro, you download the manual on how to MAKE the Distro.
yeah I think I’ll just stick with Fedora.
Yep. Why not take Mint/Pop/etc and actually be productive instead of solving the ever so trivial issues on cmd? Matter of taste
Exactly. There’s no such thing as a polymath in this day and age, so you’re gonna have to trust somebody at some point, so why not put a little bit of the control freak away and accept a more put together OS from the community?
I’ve had more issues on mint than I ever had on arch, and I’m in no way a computer expert. Arch is just more simple.
Can you give some examples?
Every Debian/apt based distribution needed a reinstall after some time.
very probably my fault, but with Arch I always could save my install somehow, while with apt it was a lost cause - for me at least.But I spent much more time with Debian based system in the past and still all my customer production machines are on a Debian variant, for my laptop and workstation, I’m happy with Arch - or if I’m lazy with Manjaro
Go for Endeavour over Manjaro for lazy-Arch. Manjaro is the least stable of the bunch.
The choice for Manjaro was quite some time ago, so maybe it’s time for a re-evaluation.
Could you tell me, what you think the advantages of Endeavour are?
Endeavour is essentially just a GUI installer that spits out a proper Arch install with a few nice-to-haves pre-installed (like yay for example), and some good defaults (like increased parallel downloads for pacman).
Manjaro, on the other hand, holds back packages from the main Arch repos for testing. Which is reasonable in theory, but it means you can have compatibility errors if you install things from the AUR (which is the main draw of Arch IMO).
The Manjaro team has also forgotten to renew their SSL certificates multiple times (and told people to roll back their system clocks to fix the problems it caused), as well as DDOSing the AUR a few times too.
Not the guy you replied to but i put Mint on my uncles pc, tried to install some software and it just gave me some errors, tried fixing it for about 40 mins and gave up and just put windows on it. I had an Kubuntu install that just randomly killed itself after a few months as well. It worked fine for a while, then i restarted one day and wouldn’t boot giving some drive error, and i ended up moving to arch after that. Arch has been working very well for me and it has had issues but i could always solve them quite easily.
At the end of the day all linux distros are essentially running the same software, the only difference is the version of software you’re running, some update faster some slower.
But did you try putting Arch on your uncles PC? Seems like you’d have run into more of the same.
I’ve been an Arch user on my main machines for years, which is exactly why I’m hesitant to buy that it’s “simpler” and less prone to issues than a distro like Mint.
Im sure that arch would probably cause more issues than mint in the long run, i was just saying Mint or any other beginner distros are not exactly 100% issue free as some would claim them to be
That’s just Linux in general at that point though – and really wasn’t what I was responding to.
For me arch was just a fun project that helped me understand how operating systems work and how they interact directly with hardware
Gentoo goes even further, you can disable features for individual software so they aren’t even compiled in.
And you’re not really on your own, arch’s wiki and forum are really good and helpful.
Mine doesn’t even have usb drivers.
I use arch btw.
Who needs USB when you can have PS2, it’s even rounded, it was already at the peak of design
Debian/Ubuntu/Mint users live their life and touch grass.
You can toss Fedora in there too.
Me? NixOS. No grass for me, thanks.
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Nix is hard, but great. I have seen Chris Titus’ videos about it.
It’s incredibly long stretches of smooth sailing interspersed by brief intervals of banging my head against the desk.
…which generally isn’t nix’s fault it’s just that fitting the absolute state that is python package management into something sensible is an exercise in futility.
Oh and occasionally I have to doctor around a bit during upgrades because my EFI partition is only 100MB, someone should have warned me. Deleting old generations and windows boot loader language packs and fonts generally does the trick.
Grass? Sorry. Grass isn’t reproducible.
Grass? Sorry. Grass isn’t reproducible.
My brother in
christGNU+Linux, have you ever been outside?
I mean, Fedora outside of the Flatpak-only Silverblue breaks a lot upon upgrades, last I checked recently on it. Fedora users do touch grass but breakage is an annoyance, and the whole Redhat drama… if you are okay with dealing with Fedora update breakages, then its cool.
I have had zero breakage on vanilla Fedora ever since switching to it years ago, it’s probably the most stable yet cutting edge distro I have ever used. I seriously have no idea what you’re talking about and would love to see some examples of this supposed frequent breakage.
Fedora is famous for update breakage. Delusion is not helpful.
If it’s so famous, it should be trivial to gather a bunch of the more egregious examples of general update/upgrade breakage. Again, would you mind linking to them? I can neither personally remember them, nor is Google any help.
All I can find are minor, individual, dependency issues that are common with absolutely every Linux distro. I’m actually a little surprised how few of those Google digs up.
It would be rather worrisome if the foundation for an industry behemoth like REHL would commonly suffer from the problems you, and only you, are claiming without any kind of evidence. So, please, end my “delusion” and show me the error of my ways by showing us these common issues.
Are these issues in the room with us right now?
Google is not going to give answers that exist in forums and reddit threads. Being in Linux community allows to see this. People usually just hop onto other distros without screaming too much, or will say the faintest hint in comments here and there. Fedora users are guinea pigs for RHEL, so RHEL does not exactly care as it is downstream.
Wow, “Google doesn’t index Reddit, Linux Forums and Mailing Lists” is a new one. Good job, I genuinely can’t tell if you’re a master troll or an giant idiot.
Regardless, as someone who has been active in the Linux community since around ~97, I’m at least certain that you are full of shit.
it’s probably the most stable yet cutting edge distro I have ever used
same experience, I daily drive Fedora and it’s my first linux distro. Have had a great experience especially after most of the software is on flatpak. Let’s see how that telemetry proposal goes.
It’s funny, but memes like this affect the opinion of people who haven’t tried it.
They mistake some extreme minimal arch rice for the general Arch experience or the general Linux experience as well. If so many Lemmy users, who are statistically tech nerds, don’t see through the meme, then the average person will definitely stay away from Linux.
Why do you automatically assume the person who wrote this wants people to use arch? It’s written as a joke, which means it might be nonsense or it might be a real dedicated arch user who had a bad day, or it might be someone who thinks linux is terrible.
This isn’t even a pro-linux community so OP probably doesn’t care about “affecting the opinion of people who haven’t used it”.
We’re really in here worrying about how badly Linux users are oppressed lol
But it’s misinformation and it might lead to some gullible idiot to take it seriously and this it should be censored in the name of making the Internet more safe for everyone!
The average person probably should stay away from Linux. In fact most of them should stay away from PCs in general.
They should stick to an iPad or something. That way I, the family tech nerd, will never be bothered by them a week after they downloaded “hacked Spotify” or some shit, that is now emailing scams to everybody in the continental United States. Most people just need a browser.
Based, most people today would be just fine with a Chromebook. Not to say I support Google’s BS, but 90% of people don’t need to do more on their computer then use a web browser to access emails, view their bank account, stream some shows and maybe write a word document here and there.
It’s true that Linux gives you control and freedom over your computer. But for the vast majority of people, that level of control is something they don’t know how to wield and is unneeded given their day to day tasks.
It would be convenient in short term. But, once the vast majority of people starts to live in the walled gardens, it would be very difficult to buy a “normal” computing device.
Ah yes. Let’s gatekeep Linux and keep the general public out of it. Definitely helpful to drive up adoption of desktop Linux.
As someone who recently started using it…doing anything at all is a pain in the ass in Linux vs Windows.
Installing many things requires following a guide instead of downloading an exe. And when one step of the guide yields something unexpected, well good luck.
The thing hurting Linux adoption is Linux.
No, it’s fragmentation. If you know what can be applied to other distros and what’s distro-specific, things become very easy.
You completely missed the point, which is standard.
Unironically yes. Let’s gatekeep anything that people can fuck around with that can’t be fixed by a simple factory reset button.
Ironically factory resettable Linux distros are coming and will be more mainstream. Fedora plans to convert all Workstation users to Silverblue/Kinoite within 5 years. Being immutable distros, a factory reset option will soon arrive at them. Other distros are now also experimenting with this.
Learning more about technology and having more control can be really empowering. I don’t think dumbing things down even more is going to make people more tech literate and it’s definitely going to make them more dependent on shitty corporations.
Many years ago I advocated for using Linux on the servers we sold to customers. They didn’t need to do much. Run a DB server mostly. This was accepted happily by my managers as we could save costs on Windows licences.
Over the next five years, as those machines started to go wrong, it became my job to fix all of them, alongside all my other duties. So now we use Windows again, because our low wage helpdesk monkeys can actually talk people through most faults.
Sometimes people don’t want to be empowered. They just want their shit to work.
This sounds like something that could’ve happened 28 years ago or if someone did a little too much fiddling for no good reason
I thought that the joke would be that OP is actually trying to pop popcorn because of the word “kernel.”
Why the fuck does it say by spez next to the community name? Fuck spez
That’s because OP is spez
You guys realize scapegoating spaz is exactly what’s best for Reddit right? He is the Fall Guy and was hired back on after the company was taken over, for exactly this purpose. It certainly not because of his intellect or technical prowess…
calm down. it’s not the real spez
It is
Or, AM I?
spez add sex canvas to r/place
hmmm… fine but first pay only accessible to the people who pay $13/month or have 1 week access to those with the new suckspezdicknium award
Hello spez, please give me reddit stock. Thanks sir.
I thought the shortage of toilet paper was over?
Forget the stock, give me lots of money!
Lol they just needed the driver as a kennel module.
What do you mean they?
He clearly says he’s a singular person
what? where? look at the username, that’s clearly anonymous, the hacker group.
You mean the hacker known as four chen
Where you you see a gender qualifier in the post? If you don’t know you don’t assume because you turn into a donkey or something like that.
A gender what?
How is there a doubt that it’s a he.
I doubt. What tells you it’s a he… that’s what I’m asking you to do. Show me, prove me it’s a he.
He uses thinkpad, what more proof do you want
Wow. You’re dumb and sexist. Have a good live buddy.
Good *life
And thanks, i will
They has been used to refer to an unspecified individual since before you were born.
What you mean unspecified?
It says right there
That’s not really the point.
They is, and has been for a very long time, perfectly valid for singular use.
Most people I’ve encounted do it all the time without noticing between sentences.
It’s extremely confusing. Its a he, no doubt
There’s not a man I meet but doth salute me
As if I were their well-acquainted friend
A comedy of errors, act IV, scene 3
In english, they stands for both plural and gender-neural (when you don’t know whether the person you’re referring to is male or female).
There no doubt that it’s a male speaking
You do you
Thanks, i will
Yeah, then it totally would’ve worked and had no other issues
There really isn’t much you need to do to get your HDMI port working on Linux. In fact, the kernel module is probably loaded by default.
Exactly. I’ve had HDMI working on even the most hardened kernel on Arch. Either they needed to modprobe or they had installed the driver to the wrong folder and an insmod would have solved that too.
I tried linux-hardened for a while but too many games wouldn’t work if I tried launching with Proton. Had to switch to the Linux kernel and implement my own protections.
When I used to game on a Linux desktop, before getting a Steam Deck, I used to have a dedicated SSD with Arch set up just for gaming so I didn’t have to mess with my hardened setup. Steam Deck has been a game changer.
Mine only uses some beamers when power is plugged in.
That’s why I use dual boot lmao.
That’s why I use Fedora lmao
I was once a minimal arch user and it’s awful because nothing ever just works. You’ve got to build everything yourself and it’s a ton of work, and often breaks. Modern, user friendly distros like Fedora work great. Never have to fix anything
Are you sure you’re not confusing arch with Gentoo? I use arch since 2011 and never had to compile anything by myself unless I wanted to use a program that’s not in the repositories.
And since 7/8 years it works for me out of the box almost all the time.
Build as in set up all the systems and configs, not as in compile. Many nice-to-have features just aren’t there if you don’t configure them yourself.
I use Mint, BTW.
Driver for VGA/HDMI?
How much minimal that kernel is?
only enuff to boot 💪
This is fake, as plugging it into a projector would imply he’d installed some kind of graphics driver.
