You know roughly where your body is at all times, but where in it is your “self”?
Your center of mass is around the solar plexus, yet that doesn’t seem to universally be where people feel the center of their self to be. Most people feel they “are” right behind their eyes, probably in the brain.
Sometimes people have out-of-body experiences, completely changing their anchor for a while.
When pointing at themselves, people tend to point a thumb at their chest or face. Do they feel differently about it, or is it just convenience?
Are you a body with a head full of thinking goop and sensors on top, or are you a head sitting on a body?
And wherever you feel you are, have you felt different at any time? Can you change it?
Personally, I can’t separate the feeling of self from my vision, so “I” am directly behind my eyeballs and I can’t change it.
Quite literally you are your brain, trying to account for the entire body and mind as the self simultaneously. But you may catch yourself thinking or saying things like “I can’t wrap my brain around this.” Isn’t that odd? Your brain refers to itself as my brain. Is that a linguistic issue or is your sense of perspective off?
“Don’t you have a heart?” Why do we imply that our sense of compassion is only located in an organ that just pumps blood? That clearly can’t be the case.
We know cases where someone gets a brain tumor and suddenly becomes violent or unfeeling. When the brain is damaged either during life or during gestation, we know that we can lose all manner of things: cognition, motor skills, memory, emotions, etc. It’s all the brain.
What confuses the issue is everything the brain is attached to. What I think all conscious humans do is try to make sense of the mind-body connection. I feel tired, that’s not just my brain feeling tired. I can feel tired in every single part of my body independently or all together. “I” am the brain. If I lose an arm, I don’t lose my sense of self. But losing important functions can damage the self I’ve constructed of myself. If I lose my eyesight I will be a very different person when I’m unable to visually enjoy video games, movies, art, nature. But clearly blind people still have a self. If it sits behind their eyes, will it move? Adapt to their ears?
All this to say, your self is self constructed. It’s malleable. But make no mistake that the source of where self and consciousness are maintained is the brain.
The bit that thinks is in my head feels to be at the front. But it knows that my heart is equally important. So I feel that I am my head and my body.
People who have lost a limb say they feel like they’ve lost a part of themselves not just physically but in their sense of wholeness.
I’ve never felt particularly connected to my body.
Have you ever felt someone else connect to your body?
No. It’s just more a feeling like my body is a tool I’m using. It’s not me, and has little to do with me personally any more than a hammer I use is personal.
Spacetime is a lie.
So many different answers. I am not going to delve into the self as a concept or why I feel the way I do. I’ve always felt my awareness inside the head, but my sense of self is in the chest. So yeah, both of your examples ring true with me.
Yeah, explaining these things can be impossible. Would be fascinating to learn more, though :)
For me it’s probably both, but I feel a lot of shit in my chest, like anger or anxiety. Id like that to fuck off though and just be behind the eyes lol.
I’m a mind hosted by a brain piloting a bone mecha covered in flesh armor
Calcium is a metal. So we’re just normal robots
You win.
If you’re going to break it down that far, why stop? Your “self” is not your central nervous system, but a portion of it - and not a very large one. It’s your consciousness. Most of what your nervous system does is not conscious.
Your self (and mine) are but a small portion of a single organ in a large network of organs and tissues and cells and bacteria. We developed because it was advantageous for our bodies - which predate our consciousness - to have pilots. We are periphery. We are a single part of an ecosystem. And definitely not the center of it
I am not seeing the rest of your body in that selfie. Can you just hop in and out of your meat-suit when you want? Cool party trick, but I wouldn’t go it any kids birthday parties.
I am guessing you are part Dalek, so that is also cool.
I vary.
My oddest self is working. I operate a lot of automated machinery that are interactive, and many levels of recirculating materials. I have to zone in and become my machinery, feeling the vibrations, heat, smelling, and hearing the manufacturing processes and guiding the settings to keep as optimum as conditions allow. My day can turn very bad in minutes, it is that unforgiving of specs. I don’t like being too public in what I do on the internet, but there are only a few handfuls of who operate at my scale throughout the world/ per my employer.
I can only compare it to a race car driver, or aerialist flyer in the mind/machine joining of sense of space.
When the wise man wants to feel himself in his toe, he hits it with a hammer.
Under my blanket. No, my dog is sleeping on my legs.
I am my whole self most of the time but sometimes specific parts are more attention grabbing than others. Usually during orgasms or when something hurts.
If you are more kinesthetically aware of your body, you will feel every part of it and be able to better understand what is going on in it.
This is more of a philosophical question (touching multiple aspects) that doesn’t seem fitting to no stupid questions.
You already mention the common aspects to it. We put our conscience, our awareness behind our eyes because of how visually focused we are. We put our body center to our torso and heart, because it’s both central to the physical body and the heart and lungs are an noticeable and continuously active part of our physical body.
When you ask you first have to ask yourself, what are you asking for? You used the terms “you” and “self”. Where do we draw the borders of those? Do people put themselves differently or is it the same for all of us? Is it objectifiable or subjective?
I’d interpret “you” as the entirety of me. Including body and mind/conscience. Placing myself in it does not make sense, because I am all of it.
“Self” on the other hand be interpreted as consciousness rather than your entirety. But not necessarily so.
People have different interpretations of these concepts, and I want to hear what they are and how they feel and think about them. Overspecifying shuts out half of the interesting answers.
I don’t know how to work the body…
What did you do to him!? Fucking breath, dad!!
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