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I hate this world and almost everyone on it. Myself most of all. 100% powerless to stop any of this. I want off this hellworld.
Bitch unless you’re committing daily war crimes you had best at the very least hate yourself less than these monsters.
You managed to type four sentences on this subject and make every single one of them about yourself
i like u
I really feel ya. It’s insane how, short of donating as much as we can, most of us can’t really do anything but watch this shit happen. It’s a fucking mess.
most of us can’t really do anything but watch this shit happen.
Join your local Communist party.
I hear you, it’s been a brutal millennium so far and things look like they’ll get worse before they get better.
We’re all powerless alone, and I don’t see us being able to stop the worst of what’s to come, but there’s pressure building against Israel, against capitalism, against conservatism, against the status quo.
It’s going to be a rough ride but we need to stubbornly exist and be present and visible so that the pressure keeps building.
We’re all powerless alone
That’s the “funny” thing about it. ALONE we are powerless. The really really hard part is getting all of us together.
Media in the past that wasn’t purely propaganda for the sake of manipulating the population would have achieved this simply by the reporting done. Now all they do is give cover to the assholes committing the atrocities across the world and we have to fight with each other just to convince people what is actually happening and why it’s bad…
Divide and conquer works and it’s why we never seem to make progress. :(
ALONE we are powerless. The really really hard part is getting all of us together.
Nah dawg, that’s like our one strength and even instinct. See Bregman’s Humankind, for example!
Together we are still powerless because of the economic guardrails and class culture
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ironically we need less of this kind of thinking in the world
This is all your fucking fault. You sick bitch. Hope you sleep good knowing your words likely affected someone else enough to kill themselves
My father left this world at age 39. I’m 40 and I feel like I overstayed my welcome in this world by a decade at least.
Time to remedy that. Godspeed to the few who’ll understand. To everyone else: my father had the right idea and I don’t know why it took me this long to realize. We’ll meet again at some inky spot betweeb realms. In the meantime, good night to those who understand. See you on the flipside, maybe, one day…
Don’t do it. You should talk to someone.
Hey man, I know that feeling. Looking through your history, you seem like a legitimately great dude with a huge heart that’s been through way more shit than anyone should have to bear. I wish I knew some magical phrase that could fix things, but I see you, I’m thinking of you, and I’m sorry for what you’re going through. I truly truly hope to see you around here again. <3
Thanks for the kind words, appreciated much!
Hey I mean it, the world NEEDS critical thinkers like you. I’m rereading your comments and please, don’t let those thoughts overcome your better judgement. I KNOW that’s not any ‘remedy’.
Hey stop, I know what you’re saying bc I’ve been there myself. You haven’t any idea what the future holds is what I can tell you. There are so many good things in this world and believe it or not (I didn’t) they also come to you sometimes. Sending love your way.
I didn’t read this comment before I said I like you. I still like you.
Wish we could have been friends.
It’s too bad we can’t add MDMA to the water at 1 ppm like floride worldwide so people get nicer.
100% powerless to stop any of this.
Join your local Communist party.
Join your local Communist party.
Also eat vegan /s
Wth dude…!
Well that’s fucking depressing
They had it coming! Should’ve picked a different place to be born.
Being born there is the first step to becoming terrorist scum, they had it coming!
/s just in case if that wasn’t obvious
I’ve never met a Palestinian but every Palestinian I’ve ever met has been a terrorist.
I’ve met palestinians and I can tell you, they’re normal people.
Shocker lol Who would’ve thought…
Palestinians will cry for the bombing, rape, and slaughter of their people, but they continue to harbor Hamas in the vast network of secret invisible tunnels that only a trained Israeli AI can detect.
Curious.
They had it coming! Should’ve picked a different place to be born.
They certainly should have! Poor kids. (I didn’t miss your sarcasm, just adding to it)
Look what the older Palestinian kids have had to endure:
This graphic is a year old! It’s actually seventeen years since that blockade now.
I wonder why some people there might think violence is the only thing their enemy would understand. Really a mystery.
There might be an updated version at the visualizing palestine website. I was happy when they updated it to add the current conflict, but that was months after it started…
Those children could’ve grown up to do some amazing things in many different industries (and no, terrorism is NOT one of them), but because they’re unlucky enough to be born in Gaza, they have to deal with constant bombing, lack of food and water, damages in physical and mental health, and eventually death, before they even turn 18. Sometimes it’s even abrupt and sudden.
Has Israel not yet learned how cruel this is? And THEY’RE the ones that get all the funding to do this. Oh, but if I say anything bad about Israel then I’m “antisemitic” MY ASS. You’re killing literal children and I want the whole world to know about it.
Or you know, Hamas could have built bomb shelters for the people they’re “protecting”. Instead they built tunnels for themselves and keeping hostages, dragged Gaza into a needless war with Israel, all the while its own leaders live in the comfort of Iran’s mad regime that also funds them.
Maybe the Muslim brotherhood would help out these children by accepting them as refugees, but I guess nobody wants another Black September where PLO attempted a coup on the Jordanian king that accepted Palestinian refugees, huh?
Maybe the Muslim brotherhood would help out these children by accepting them as refugees, but I guess nobody wants another Black September where PLO attempted a coup on the Jordanian king that accepted Palestinian refugees, huh?
I think I speak for every single Jordanian when I ask you to shut the fuck up.
Thanks for this elaborate attempt at a discussion. Telling someone to fuck themselves instead of engaging with their point is kind of satisfying to see, especially from someone claiming to have the moral upper hand.
Not interested in discussion with someone deliberately lying about my country and people.
Are you disagreeing that Black September happened or what?
Why the fuck would Hamas build bomb shelters to protect civilians from Israel, when Hamas is literally funded by Israel?
So, it’s everybody’s fault BUT Israel.
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Tell me how the 14 pages of 0 year olds kicked the fucking wasps nest
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Uhh yeah probably not, actually.
The death toll for babies wasn’t exactly amazing for palestinians before Israel went full gloves off and just directly started dropping bombs on them.
You know the whole open air poorly kept prison camp thing wasn’t apparently the best place for keeping people alive in and Israel was tossing a few bombs and military stunts every now and again just to keep them on their toes and squeeze in the border every so often.
So, all those kids ? Nah there would still be plenty of blood spillt just not all of it.
Or, you know, if the IDF didn’t attack civilians. How about the settlers attacking villages on the west bank, would you be ok if there was retaliation for that seeing as they just shouldn’t be doing that?
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How many pages of dead babies are necessary before this becomes unacceptable to you? 20? 50? 100? 200? Where’s the line where you step back and say “Okay this is too far”? Or is absolute genocide of the entirety of Palestine acceptable to you?
You have no fucking idea whether those babies parents supported hamas or not. You have condemned all Palestinians to death because of Hamas.
I don’t know?
How many pages of dead babies are necessary before Hamas releases the hostages.
The single reason this war is ongoing is cos Hamas still has hostages.
Yea instead of even attempting to engage with any of the points I made write a witty comment. That will show that you know what you’re talking about! 👍
I literally didn’t say what you said, as a matter of fact this entire thread says that its everyone’s BUT Hamas fault. I was making a point that they could have and should have done significantly more to ensure that this tragedy doesn’t happen.
What Israel is doing isn’t good but pretending that this is a one sided issue is a ridiculous misunderstanding of the entire problem, which is by the way the theme of everyone who made up their minds in the last year regarding “which side they support”
I understand your anger, but my brother, the moment you wrote that Hamas “dragged Gaza with an endless war with Israel” you just lost it. There is a war because Israel wants to exterminate the palestinian population and feels so confident about it (because they have been so long endorsed and protected by USA thanks to their lobbies in that country) that are now openly and publicly talking about how even children should be murdered and how it is not inappropiate at all to rape palestinian prisoners up their asses to death.
And when Iran’s Khamenei says that “Israel should be wiped out” – that is not a “want to exterminate Jews”?
No, it isn’t. BUT that doesn’t mean I don’t thing that’s equally horrendous. I don’t want anybody being murdered
If they wiped out Israel there would still be Jews.
That’s a horrible statement to make about a nation that seen thousands of years of genocides, pogroms, discrimination and displacement. You’re just saying let’s continue with that.
You have to understand that Israel is there and will be there, and you need to work from there to find a solution which also accommodates Palestine ( as an independent country ). There is no future for Palestine, however, where Iran-funded terrorist organisations are at its helm.
Israel created Hamas by murdering Palestinians and illegally occupying their territory for decades. So blame Hamas all you want, but Hamas’s existence is also Israel’s fault.
So, if I extend your logic, if ISIS is America’s fault ( which in many ways it is) we should have left Iraq and Syria to succumb to it?
Yes, US imperialism is responsible for much of what is going on in the middle east. I’m not going to pretend to know enough about those conflicts to answer your question, but I’m not exactly sure how it’s relevant. But as a general rule, yeah the US should fuck off and stop interfering in other countries. It never helps and it’s never truly motivated by selfless goals. America does not support Israel because Israel is “good”, they support Israel because it’s their proxy base in the middle east. Hence why not even Democrats give a fuck that their “closest ally” is murdering children daily.
The US should absolutely stop funding Israel and Israel should immediately withdraw from the Gaza, the West Bank, and its illegal settlements. Not sure what you expected me to say.
I’ll just open with saying that I agree with your main point. Of course Israel is an ally of US, and US uses Israel to further their own gains in the region. The same can be said about literally any country in the world, though. It’s just the military & economic power of the US, and going against is a dangerous game to play. I am not defending or saying that US is good, I am just stating the obvious. Even China is not always able to stand against the US.
Now to continue to my main point:
I’m not going to pretend to know enough about those conflicts to answer your question, but I’m not exactly sure how it’s relevant.
The point I was trying to make is that Israel-Palestine conflict is hyperfocused on, in a region that is extremely unstable and seen dozens of civil & international wars, coups & human rights abuses over the last few decades. Fighting ISIS killed thousands of civilians and displaced, at least, several million people. And while ISIS comitted many crimes against humanity, Russian & NATO bombs have also killed thousands of civilians. But people don’t even know this. And don’t seem to care.
Should I also talk about Kurds, who were also fighting that war (against ISIS) and despite that Turks are literally borderline genociding them whenever they get the chance, these people do not resort to terrorism?
It makes you wonder, why in this sea of instability, wars, coups and human rights abuses everyone hyperfocuses on one particular state, which is primarily inhabited by people who have been historically persecuted, killed and displaced consistently for thousands of years?
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Gaza has other people besides Hamas, but then again you probably love the idea of mass burial graves made from children the Isrealis “harrased.”
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Are you arguing that it’s a complete lie and hundreds of newborn children in Gaza haven’t died since October 7th?
Are you arguing that it’s a complete lie and hundreds of newborn children in Gaza haven’t died since October 7th?
YOU DONT LIKE HAMAS YOU MUST BE A RACIST XENOPHOBIC BIGOT
“look bro it’s just war, idk what you want me to say about it, reporting numbers is hard, especially in war torn countries”
THAT’S AN UNREASONABLE OPINION.
No, didn’t even refute the mass “harassment” claim.
For what it’s worth, I hope the Russians can get rid of their government and find freedom.
I’m confused why you felt it was necessary to point out that the ministry of health was run by Hamas then, and what bearing you felt that bright to the information?
Have you replied to the wrong person?
yeah, I have. sorry
Here’s the right Person:
Would you repost Israels numbers of casualties in this War?
No? because it’s propaganda? good, proud of you. But then why would you repost and not question Hamas’ numbers?
You do realize they’re at least as much lying bastards as the Israelis, right?
I still don’t see that the exact numbers In this report matter, it’s undeniable that dozens of babies and thousands of children have been murdered by the Israeli state.
If you accept that, and I don’t see how you can’t, then I don’t see how it’s possible to defend those actions.
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I would take them with a grain of salt, just as I take this with a grain of salt. But are you saying children under one years old haven’t been killed in this war? And if not how many Gazan children do you see as an acceptable number of casualties?
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This is specifically children killed by israel. An article from 6 months ago:
Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict
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I can just about guarantee it’s worse since bombing hospitals tends to have a higher infant mortality rate than the usual causes of SIDS.
possibly, depends on where you gather statistics. Third world countries have a lot of people, and worse infant mortality, so it might still be pretty high.
Let me know when you find a country with a worse infant mortality rate than one that has been largely bombed to rubble.
That is more babies than the total amount of civilians killed by Hamas on October 7.
That was the point of the action. Iran understands the hatred by the Israeli state for the Palestinian people (condoned, sometimes commended by western imperialist interests, particularly the British empire and the United States) only required provocation before Israel would commit atrocities that could be called a holocaust. So the Iranian intelligence state funded Hamas to cause trouble.
And they played Netanyahu the way Martin Luther King Jr. played US police departments.
The difference is, information from Palestine leaks out better now than it did throughout the 20th century, so the global public, especially in industrialized states, gets to look at it. We get to know what is happening and it is more frightening than we imagined.
The horror of the German holocaust, according to our own nations and their state departments, is not what was done, but to whom.
“Iran made me do a genocide” is certainly a take. One of the most takes of all time, even.
Yeah, Iran made me do a genocide the way a wife made her abusive spouse do a domestic violence. More that Iran knew the Israeli administration (Netanyahu and friends) were totally eager to accelerate the genocide (it has already been happening), and provided them an easy excuse, because drunk daddy can’t help himself.
This is why the US has been screaming at Bibi, Don’t! It’ll be just like Fallujah! It’s a trap! And Bibi couldn’t listen with that kind of temptation.
(And yes, this is one of those hazards whenever Trump is in the White House, because Trump can’t help himself either.)
Israel, and the current western response to Israel is laying plain for the entire international community that we are at our base, imperialists who won’t suffer non-whites or non-Christians. The US has yet to demonstrate otherwise, and in on the verge of possibly installing a one-party autocracy. Iran got all that it hoped for and more.
Why exactly would Iran hope for the US to be a one-party autocracy full of imperialists who won’t suffer non-whites or non-Christians?
A lot of things.
For one thing, Trump / Project 2025 wants to kill NATO. Trump has already sown enough distrust that Germany is looking to secure military independence from the US.
Another thing is Trump and his companion ideologues are manipulable, as per his relations with Putin, Kim Jong Un and the Sauds. Even if they can’t turn him against Israel, they can certainly goad him into making brash decisions.
Then there’s the matter that the MAGA Republican Party favors loyalty over principle, which scares away its own intelligentsia, and creates a brain drain. We already see the Project 2025 plan to replace government department staff (who have education and experience) with Trump and MAGA ideology loyalists (who do not), which is going to speed the regime’s plummet into corruption and decadence.
The latter 20th century was defined by the US being the baddest dog on the field, tempered only by the USSR being right there to harrow the US and keep it busy. Now the cold war is ended, the US has just turned into a military bully for the interests of its own oligarchs. (It doesn’t help that the white Christian nationalist movement has been pushing the US towards fascist one-party autocracy since the FDR’s New Deal, as explained in Behind the Bastards two parter How the Rich Ate Christianity ).
Genuinely free, fair states are a threat to autocrats, far more than other autocrats, so seeing the US fall to one-party autocracy is absolutely on Iran’s holiday wishlist.
They may get it too, depending on if Trump wins the election, or his coup d’etat is successful, or civil war breaks out in the States.
Because that one party autocracy wants to fuck off from the rest of the world.
“They made me do it” has been the main axis of Israeli Propaganda since the start and that’s just a variant of that.
How about this alternative explanation: they’re stealing Palestinian land, want to ultimatelly steal all Palestinian land, are led by Sociopaths and Psychopaths and have an extremely racist society anchored on the kind of ethnic superiority ideas that would make Klanners blush, so they were always going to do something like this sooner or later to get rid of the rest of Palestinians and get the rest of their land and do it in the most inhuman ways because a large part, maybe even most, of Israeli society see themselves as “the chosen people”, a superior ethnicity and what the previous famous group of ethno-Fascists would call übermenschen, whilst they see Palestinians as lesser people, “human animals”, untermenschen.
This is the kind of mass murdering Western nations used to do back in the days of Colonialism. It’s only shocking for us nowadays because we’ve evolved as societies and adopted Humanist values (though by their support of Israel you can see that many politicians in several countries and even a large fraction of people have in fact not evolved). Israel does in fact have Western Values, it’s just they’re the White Colonialist Values that many European nations had back in the 19th Century, not 21st Century Western Values.
We know they’re stealing Palestinian land. They were stealing Palestinian land when the British Empire installed Israel there. And yes, at that time George VI was glad to suggest it is right and proper to push out the lesser peoples so that the Jewish folk could settle there. And that’s exactly what they’ve been doing since.
However, since then, the international community has become more aware of the humanity of peoples who are not as wealthy or white as westerners, so much like the Church in the middle ages advocating only for Jus Bellum (so that expansionist kings had to find a way to justify their rightful ownership of the places they conquered) modern nations have to find a way to legitimize the regions they annex, or the peoples they war against.
So yeah, Israel was glad to have the excuse when Hamas or Hezbollah were there to provide it. And Iran props them up (provides them materiel support) so that they have the opportunity to take shots at Israel, knowing it will drive them to cruelty while the world watches, de-legitimizing the Zionist movement in the eyes of the international community (and the public).
While Israeli patriots can politely talk about the propriety of (say) price-tag killings or the treatment of Palestinians in Hebron, the State has to be more delicate. All the more so when IDF troopers are expressing glee in the opportunity to massacre Palestinian civilians down to the last child and grandmother.
But there are no humanitarian interests at the international level. All the states are still propped up by oligarchs wanting to clear land and seize resources for their own use, and at this point, as far as I can tell, we’re all going to be killed by famine and water shortage due to ecology collapse before that changes.
I pray people with a victim blaming complex like this seek therapy before it’s too late.
Does anyone have a link to the actual document? Please 🙏
Unless I’m blind, that’s not the whole document, but just a few pages of it. I’m not doubting it exists, but this is a lot less to send to every university printer people have access to 😩
I was trying to come up with some sick joke about the babies being antisemitic in the eyes of Israel, but I threw up a little bit every time I tried.
And I’ve got a dark sense of humor, so that’s saying something. >.<
What’s the difference between food and a pile of dead babies?
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Right, so let’s assume they’re lying to some extent? How much of the number do you think is made up? 50%?
“of course there are dead babies” as if 1 is not 1 too many. Also, don’t underestimate the power of bureaucracy even during a genocide.
I hate to defend Israel here because they’ve gone off the deep end. But there was always going to be a response and unfortunately there was always going to civilian deaths, including children. Keeping those to a minimum is a big deal to any military trying to operate in good faith, but zero won’t happen until we turn the moon into an arena and have all of our wars up there.
Keeping civilian deaths to a minimum is not something israel is interested in, their actions make it clear that they want to completely destroy life in gaza. This is 11 months of bombardment and torture and gangrape of detainees (on video) this is much more than a standard military response this is genocide
Yes I agree. I should have been more clear. I’m just trying to rebut the idea that 1 dead infant would or should stop a war. It sucks, I hate it, but it’s just not how the world works, and good people do their best to keep that number as low as possible. Israel is showing us their military is not made of good people.
Think yourself: Could Hamas really have the capability of producing reliable statistics about the gaza population after month of being bombarded?
Was in OIF. Got mortared, ied’d, and/or shot at nearly every day. Finance nerds still went to work. MI still disseminated no intelligence at all. Marines wrote offensive things and about my mother in very visible places I could not access. In 2003, our csh still kept digital records - on computers and laptops. Everyone did their jobs without any hesitation or meaningful difficulty at all. We all used to be civilians. Everyone has a threshold for the limits of adaptation, but most of us are capable of adapting to war, unfortunately though it may be. I realize that the impression our culture cultivates about war is a guy clutching his knees, weeping, and rocking back and forth while the planet fragments around him - and occasionally that does happen - but esprit de corps tends to motivate people into adaptation. It was my experience that the children in Iraq could follow my leadership and guidance better than their parents. They could also tolerate the terror better. They also had better senses of humor. They could also speak better English. I was an army guy but I still have a hunch that this had something to do with it. So be careful of the narrow perspective that organizational behaviors could only function effectively or reliably when sequestered within utopian sanctuary. People can do amazing things.
There’s also the fun fact that despite similar bombings, the death toll seems to have stopped going up after Israel did their best to destroy every major hospital and health infrastructure in the country. It’s entirely possible they’ve lost the ability to effectively count the dead and this isn’t the current number, it’s the last known good number. A country not being able to count it’s dead in a war should only happen because the other side is controlling the hospitals and thus responsible for those reports. So yeah, the next time someone questions if they can even count the dead remind them of Israel repeatedly targeting their healthcare system.
A recent study publish in the Lancet - a medical journal - estimated the deaths in Palestine to already be over 180k.
This was a few months ago.
Yeah, that’s the part that keeps me up at night - the knowing or not of the unknown dead. I know that not everyone that dies from war dies neatly and at the war. And I know that we were only able to account for a body if it was present and discernable. So I don’t know if the estimates are correct or not. But I’m in therapy either way. Mental health is stupid.
Well I do want you to know you’re not alone, I’m in therapy too. I was in the 101st for OIF 1. And yeah this shit is distressing. For me it’s the people blithely excusing war crimes we bent over backwards to keep from committing.
Fuck me. See? This is why I stay my ass out of the VFW. The last thing I need is a shared experience. 😂 We wear the same patch on our right shoulder battle.
And you’re spot on. I think it was a hard thing to rationalize that we went there to help. I mean, “we” thought we were helping. I still don’t know. Either way, you deserve self-empathy friend. Also ketamine. It helped me a lot! 😄
Good on you for making it through the last two decades too! I would gander that we have all gone through some degree of self destruction, and I know some more than others. Keep your chin up and your head down. Don’t drink and drive and if you swim take a buddy.
At least in the VFW I can use my worst coping mechanism. But yeah, the one consolation I think our generation gets is that we really did remove a murderous sociopath from running the place. Everything else is murky but that’s a shiny bit. You keep your head up too.
They are the government of Gaza. Calling their civil service workers terrorists is just ridiculous. Are Ambulance drivers in the US responsible for the CIA’s doings?
And if they don’t have ability to count the dead anymore, (40k is a months old number at this point), could that have anything to do with Israel repeatedly targeting the healthcare infrastructure in Gaza?
You have a great point. Let’s let a large number of objective humanitarian workers with aid in who can gather statistics.
Is that possible?
If I were an epidemiologist and statistician and wanted to gather data and provide aid, could I just go there and do that?
I didn’t see the TikTok videos, but were those faked?
I don’t trust Hamas and think they are bad. But is everyone in Gaza some hardcore Hamas person? I think a lot of them just want water food and to not die. Im not that knowledgable on any of this.
I’m going to go retch in the bathroom for awhile.
That’s 710 babies under 1, it seems. The document wasn’t linked in many of the articles talking about this but one article did mention it was on Gaza’s MoH Telegram account, found it there. It’s a pretty damn long list
Ah. just what I wanted to see opening up this app.
How the fuck do I tell Lemmy to NOT RECOMMEND me stuff like this?
Unsubscribe from planet earth
I did that already, It just gave me death.
Blocking a boring dystopia is not a bad move if you don’t want depressing reality.
I consume enough “Depressing reality” Via Twitter topics and from the news/articles. I don’t want this leaking into Lemmy also.
Also it does me 0 Good to constantly remind myself of all the dead fuckin babies In Hamas. There is NOTHING I can do to fix, help, save, or improve such an issue All is does is make me depressed and Spiral into existentialism. As horrible as it sounds I would much rather feign ignorance for most of it. All I need to know is Who is helping to stop the war and who isnt.
Yes, so block this sub, as I said.
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They’re experts at cybersecurity
Fun fact: Cellebrite is made by an Israeli company
Unit 8200 is also Israeli along with NSO group.
Nah. That is just part of the lie to make you think they are some indestructible super machine of super soldiers when they are just people with access to expensive weapons.
They missed an entire plot from their prisoners to rebel and commit a terrorist attack because they just talked about it in person instead of online.
This kind of thinking helps Mealnie Sue housewife in Indiana feel good about the killing of innocents cause the greatest smartest force couldn’t possibly be wrong or uninformed about things.
They know they are bombing civilians. They know that, trust me. But they don’t care nearly as much to know exactly who. That’s to be spun afterwards.
They BETTER start Caring! If they start Murdering a couple hundred Thousand more Babies the US MIGHT think about MAYBE giving them LESS Bombs!
Or more bombs, if you know what I mean 😳
