Description: A picture titled “Russian plants” in a 3 x 3 grid with one of the grid items being Jill Stein, the rest are flora.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    1611 months ago

    What’s with the focus on Jill Stein? Third parties aren’t relevant and the number of people who vote for them is far overshadowed by the number of people who don’t vote at all. There are better uses of time than this lame two minutes hate session.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      15
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      Democrats don’t have a comprehensive worldview that can explain why they are so widely disliked and why so many people are apathetic/actively hostile towards America. Russiagate fills the gap in their understanding of the world by imagining that Vladimir Putin is a Great Man of History and that his perfidious scheming is responsible for all of the ills of America’s democratic system.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      811 months ago

      Since Democrats are so corrupt they refuse to abolish the antidemocratic electoral college and have already lost two elections they had the majority of votes in.

      Harris, while popular, is in a dead heat in several swing states with Trump and it’s very likely she’ll lose. Liberals think that having third party candidates takes away votes from Harris even through all evidence points to the contrary.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        311 months ago

        Since Democrats are so corrupt they refuse to abolish the antidemocratic electoral college

        The Democrats would love to do away with the EC because it would swing the power wildly in their favor. The problem is that they can’t unilaterally do it because it would require a constitutional amendment that would require Republican controlled states to vote against their own power.

        It’s dead in the water which is why it’s never heavily pursued…and you’re blaming this on democrat corruption? What a wildly delusional take.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        8
        edit-2
        11 months ago

        Since Democrats Republicans are so corrupt they refuse to abolish the antidemocratic electoral college and have already ~~lost~won two elections they had the majorityminority of votes in.

        FTFY.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      611 months ago

      What’s with the focus on Jill Stein?

      She’s a release valve for the Arab-American protest vote. Arab-Americans are concentrated in the Midwest. Kamala desperately needs the Midwest wall to hold in order to win the White House.

      “Jill Stein is a Russian Plant” is going to become “Arab Americans stabbed America in the back” in a few months, particularly if Harris loses. We’re just seeing the prelude to the anti-Muslim hysteria boiling up in the Democratic Party.

    • ArxCyberwolf
      link
      fedilink
      711 months ago

      Because this is the time of year that Stein starts pushing herself as a candidate after doing nothing for 4 years, and this is an incredibly close presidential race where voting third party is dangerous. Stein herself is also extremely questionable as a candidate so of course people are going to talk about it. There is a vocal minority of Lemmings who are pushing Stein and other third parties very hard, so I can completely understand why others are pushing back with threads like this one.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      2511 months ago

      Russian shills + USA republicans began pushing propaganda for her in a big way after they couldn’t find a decent angle to effectively attack Harris like they did with Biden. Leave that propaganda unchecked and she will divert more than a few votes because propaganda works, so fortunately there is a lot of pushback in the other way.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      711 months ago

      I support genocide fuck the Seventh Day Adventist, strip them of their religion and scatter em to the winds!

      Thats how ya support genocide ya fucken dipshit, recognizing one cant really do anything is not. The problem with Israel is that to cut em off would require an act of Congress not just the president. And lets be honest that aint fucken happenen’.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        1
        edit-2
        11 months ago

        It must be the fault of foreigners right? Because no “true American” can be critical of our own country’s military industrial complex?

        Dems have fully transitioned into Bush era Republicans

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          411 months ago

          What are you being critical of? You’re definitely being disingenuous. Jill Stein is garbage, has been photographed with Putin and his staff at events, and is working with republicans.

          If you wanna defend what the Green Party used to aspire to go right ahead but when they hold near 0 offices around the country, and I believe actually 0 at the federal level at some point you blaming that on dems starts to sound a whole lot like republican propaganda.

          Y’all have some false equivalency between dems and trump republicans but you can’t see that most dem voters would be aligned with your views more than the right if you weren’t only trying to spoil our candidates.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            1
            edit-2
            11 months ago

            What are you being critical of?

            The American military industrial complex. That’s what I said in the comment you’re responding to.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              311 months ago

              So you are implying that Jill Stein is genuine and not most likely a foreign asset. Because that’s the original point of this post, not propping up the military industrial complex.

              But I also see the .ml on your instance….so it all becomes clear.

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                1
                edit-2
                11 months ago

                I’ll rewind since you apparently have short term memory loss and can’t use the “show context” button.

                I commented:

                This post is sponsored by Lockheed, Raytheon, and AIPAC

                Then you responded:

                This comment is sponsored by Russia, China, and Iran.

                Then I said:

                It must be the fault of foreigners right? Because no “true American” can be critical of our own country’s military industrial complex?

                Then you had a memory wipe apparently and started writing paragraphs about something else instead of addressing anything that I wrote

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    9
    edit-2
    11 months ago

    This “Jill Stein is trying to spoil the election” makes no sense.

    Jill Stein did not found the Green Party. If Jill Stein didn’t exist, the Greens would just choose another candidate. The outcome would be the same.

    She is not an independent like Bobby Kennedy. Are you suggesting the entire Green Party is made up of Russian plants?

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    2911 months ago

    You guys do realize that the whole world laughs at your inability to conceive proper left politics, right?

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      23
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      That’s because we have a Russian plant at the helm of the only, let’s be honest, sort-of-not-really viable third party in this country. We need an overhaul of our voting system to get out of this mess, like with RCV

    • @[email protected]
      cake
      OP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      6411 months ago

      A) Jill Stein ≠ left politics B) “proper left politics” involves doing more than just running as a presidential candidate every 4 years funded by the political party in farthest opposition to your political agenda.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      13
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      Image thinking Russia is left-wing.

      Imagine thinking that leftism is a coherent ideology, instead of an arbitrary list of disparate and often-contradicting positions.

      Edit: lmao stay mqd, tankies.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          English
          3
          edit-2
          11 months ago

          Correct; I think tankies pretend leftism is a coherent thing (particularly one that includes them) because it helps them infiltrate, corrupt, take over, and destroy leftist projects.

          The negation of this fiction is an attack against them for that reason.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    211 months ago

    I find it hilarious how democrats would rather go on a pathetic smear campaign against Jill Stein instead of actually making real concessions and bringing people back to vote for Kamala. I, as a European, hope your democracy works exactly as designed. Maybe you’ll wake up that way.

    • sillyplasm
      link
      fedilink
      English
      211 months ago

      Same. I was just like, “ooh, I love jade plants!”

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      2111 months ago

      Stien is the nominee for one of the worthless 3rd parties we have here. The only people who vote for her are narcissists who call trump Hitler but are okay with letting him win by throwing away their votes so they can pretend to be extra liberal. In some ways they are just as bad as trump supporters.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        12
        edit-2
        11 months ago

        Divide-and-conquer just enough to let bush win, then trump.
        It’s because of these bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL mY pUriTeH assholes that we got the Iraq invasion, the Kyoto Protocol global warming agreement being ignored and discarded, the indifferent federal response to the Katrina disaster in New Orleans, children in cages separated from their immigrant parents, the sluggish response to Covid, etc.

        The world an objectively worse place via republican excrement policies, none of which would have happened if these narcissistic assholes weren’t enamored of the stench of their own mUh PuRiTeH! flatulences to see a clear and present danger in front of our noses.

      • ArxCyberwolf
        link
        fedilink
        911 months ago

        In a way they’re worse. At least MAGAs are open about being shitty people and don’t pretend otherwise. Stein supporters will act smug and superior (“I didn’t vote for Trump directly, so my hands are totally clean!”) while they let Trump fuck everyone (Gaza included) over. They’re so focused on what’s happening across the ocean that they don’t care about the dumpster fire happening at home unless they can use it as ammunition to push “BoTh SiDeS” bullshit.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      211 months ago

      I still remember back in January? February? Libs were telling me that Gaza wouldn’t be a factor in this election, because nobody really cared.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        111 months ago

        This isn’t still true? What percentage of people genuinely plan to vote Green this election? Lemmy is the only place I’ve seen Jill Stein mentioned, at all.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      3
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      They will 100% compromise on war crimes. It’ll just be for Ukraine Russia rather than Israel. Edit: make sure I’m clear on who I’m talking about.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            311 months ago

            According to Jill she was there to…

            deliver the—one of the main messages of my campaign, which is that war has failed in the Middle East and that we need a peace offensive consisting of a weapons embargo and a freeze on the funding, the bank accounts of those countries that are sponsoring terrorism. At the time, Russia had just begun to bomb Syria. And my message was that Russia was following in the disastrous footsteps of U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East.

            So ironically she was actually there talking about a very similar subject in a way to this exact post, war in the middle east. Good to see she hasn’t changed her policy, I guess.

            https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/1/jill_stein_on_trump_as_a

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              611 months ago

              Can I get a dinner with Putin where I tell him he shouldn’t do bad things in the Middle East? Because as far as world leaders are concerned, Jill Stein is only slightly more important than you or me, unless Putin has a much more specific reason.

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                111 months ago

                I bet if you were the Green Party’s (or even the Libertarian’s) nominee for the 2016 presidential race you could, in 2015, yes.

                Probably not now but things have changed a little since then if you haven’t noticed lol.

                • @[email protected]
                  link
                  fedilink
                  411 months ago

                  Dude, that statement above is brazenly self-serving. She wasn’t there to do anything about the Middle East. You only get dinner invites with Putin if he expects to get something from you. Doubly so when Michael Flynn is sitting right next to him.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      1511 months ago

      They’re terrified, because the election is close and a reliable liberal voting block - Arab Americans - is increasingly disenchanted with a liberal leadership that’s pandering to fascists.

      If too many Deerborn, Michigan residents defect from the Harris ticket, liberals are going to be foisted with another four years of Trump. And then the Arab-Americans will be to blame, of course. Not the AIPAC lobbyists or the MIC merchants of death or the O&G land-thieves or the domestic white nationalists. Its those stupid Arabs and their pro-Russian Jill Stein agenda.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    4311 months ago

    Can’t speak for many of the rest, but jade plants are from southern Africa. I demand geophylogenetically accurate memes.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      2
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      Jade plants were very popular as house plant in the soviet union, everyone had one at home. This could be a reason why AI got confused there