Proposals had been made to change Russia's nuclear doctrine to allow for attacking any non-nuclear state that had the participation or support of a nuclear state, Putin said.
    • @[email protected]English
      7•7 months ago

      but what if isreal starts nuking (honestly the only [word not found] i can see doing it), who else will follow and nuke who?

    • iByteABit [comrade/them]English
      22•7 months ago

      That’s the thing though, as long as common sense still exists and neither party is willing to use nukes aside from threats, they still have to fight the US with all the other means. That means that the US will have to cope with multiple fronts at once as the war spreads out in the world, and there must be a tipping point where they just can’t handle them all anymore.

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]English
      20•7 months ago

      I think the most likely response from Putin would be to arm the Houthis/Ansarallah with advanced anti ship missiles, along with selling Iran advanced weaponry. Russia has lots of these missiles in storage, Ukraine has no navy that can be targeted with them. If NATO wants to open Pandora’s box and give advanced weaponry for long range strikes to a proxy in Ukraine, Russia can absolutely do the same thing in the Middle East.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OPEnglish
      21•7 months ago

      So far the only actual red line that was laid out by Russia was Ukraine joining NATO, and when that line was crossed we got the war. Pretty much all the other red lines have come from the west, like when the US said they wouldn’t send missiles, tanks, F16s, and so on because it would be a dangerous escalation. Then the west would cross their own red lines, and say that see nothing bad happened.

      Russia’s statement on long range strikes into Russia is the second red line that was actually stated by Russia, and I don’t think it’s a bluff either.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OPEnglish
      47•7 months ago

      It looks like a response to the talk of doing deep strikes into Russia. According to the updated nuclear doctrine, Russia might decide to respond with a nuclear strike. Putin also mentioned an attack on Belarus explicitly, so maybe they’re expecting something there too?

      • Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida [he/him]English
        7•7 months ago

        That’s the gist of what I heard. I’m scared if he makes good on it. I hate that the fate of billions has been toyed with like this since the invention of atomic weapons.

          • sexywheat [none/use name]English
            8•7 months ago

            the leadership in the west is completely deranged

            Ultimately this is the core of it. During the Cold War the yanks at least tried to understand the Soviets: how they thought, what motivated them, what made them tick. They really put a lot of effort into understanding their enemy, and MAD was treated as a real actual threat to be avoided.

            There is no such effort made today. It’s just rabid defense contractors sitting on their thrones of human skulls, in front of their Scrooge McDuck sized piles of money. All they want is domination and control. They want to destroy and balkanise Russia so they and their buddies can get more contracts and colonise the newly formed, broken up states and make even more money. All the while the media is chanting “Slava Ukraini!” and whipping the scratched libs into a genocidal frenzy.

            LINE MUST GO UP stonks-up frothingfash

      • CommCat [none/use name]English
        68•7 months ago

        For those who don’t understand why doing deep strikes inside Russia with NATO supplied missiles is a declaration of War on Russia by NATO. These long range missiles needs satellites to get coordinates and guidance, Ukraine obviously does not have them, which means NATO is directly involved in launching these missiles. If these Western leaders are that crazy to directly confront Russia, we might have WWIII.

  • Awoo [she/her]English
    35•7 months ago

    This is a threat against the UK. There was an emergency cobra meeting yesterday that was performed during the labour conference which definitely wouldn’t have been planned and it will have been because of this.

    They pretended it was about Israel but we all know Labour’s position on that so it won’t have been it.

      • Awoo [she/her]English
        2•7 months ago

        US is operating from those bases so it would be interesting if they did.

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]English
      26•7 months ago

      Yeah if the UK want to allow Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles for long range strikes into Russia, it would require UK military service members to input the targeting information, and UK military satellites to guide the missile. Such an escalation is unacceptable to Russia.

    • @[email protected]English
      3•7 months ago

      not invading kyiv because its muh attrition war, but then nuke the eu and us, because of a few rockets, right, right, makes sense 🙄

  • doublepepperoni [none/use name]English
    30•7 months ago

    What exactly would the missiles accomplish? Let the Ukrainians let throw more soldiers into a pointless meat grinder for a while longer? I want to strangle every single Western politician

      • Mantikora [none/use any]English
        2•7 months ago

        I’m going to get so downvoted for this, lol. Wasn’t Putin who attacked Ukraine? So who is escalating? At this moment we have two major criminals who are stubborn over their goals and won’t stop fucking killing and wars. Fuck them all. You can’t shit on USA and praise Russia. Same scummy coin, just different sides. They would all like to rule the world, fuck them.

        Also, stupid Putin ruined the only paradise in the world, Chernobyl. You see, years after the nuclear accident, nature in Chernobyl started to flourish, animals came back because there was no humans there. A fucking paradise, I tell you. And then fucking Putin’s troops march through Chernobyl, raise the radioactive dust and scare my animals with their war machines. So fuck that guy. I don’t know why are you defending that asshole here, but he’s an asshole and a murderer.

        • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]English
          15•7 months ago

          Ukraine was already at war with the Donbas republics when Russia intervened. The order is events is as follows. Russia recognizes Donbas republics --> Ukraine massively escalates the shelling of the Donbas republics --> Russia invades Ukraine. The central Ukrainian government repeatedly refused to actually abide by any of the ceasefires it had signed and was shelling its separatist regions on-and-off for eight years while Putin stood around with his thumb up his ass.

          The animals in Chernobyl seem to still be doing fine as far as I can tell. Scientists are still studying them and publishing papers. There were was some extra radiation revealed by the dust being kicked up but animals don’t really care about that, it’s why Chernobyl became a wildlife haven in the first place.

          We don’t have downvotes here.

        • HelltakerHomosexual [she/her, comrade/them]English
          7•7 months ago

          I’m going to get so downvoted for this, lol. Wasn’t Putin who attacked Ukraine? So who is escalating? At this moment we have two major criminals who are stubborn over their goals and won’t stop fucking killing and wars. Fuck them all. You can’t shit on USA and praise Russia. Same scummy coin, just different sides. They would all like to rule the world, fuck them.

          I can shit on both, i can also conveniently allow russia to shit on the west and find it funny. NATO escalated first, america escalated first, not just in 2014, but in 1991 when they made the soviet union collapse. In every year since 1917 where they attacked and strangled the soviet union in its cradle. America created the conditions for Putin in the first place, america created the conditions for this whole conflict, and america exploited it for profit. And then we have you idiots ditzing about wondering why things happen lmao. Russia is a shitty corpse of humanity’s hopes and dreams that AMERICA made and should rightly be blamed for. Ukraine did everything America told it to do, and its going soooooooooooo well for them.

          Russia might want to rule some of ukraine, and definitely wants to throw its weight around, but America is the only country that has shown aggression towards every nation. Russia increases trade and aid relations, america brings debt, coups, and corruption.

          So can you please shut your damn mouth and fuck off to whatever stupid corner of the internet you came from?

          Also, stupid Putin ruined the only paradise in the world, Chernobyl. You see, years after the nuclear accident, nature in Chernobyl started to flourish, animals came back because there was no humans there. A fucking paradise, I tell you. And then fucking Putin’s troops march through Chernobyl, raise the radioactive dust and scare my animals with their war machines. So fuck that guy. I don’t know why are you defending that asshole here, but he’s an asshole and a murderer.

          Calling the remains of a irradiated city in a corrupt reactionary backwater state ‘the only paradise in the world’ is peak fucking stupidity. ‘my animals’ who are you the fucking lorax? God what even are you lmao?

    • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]English
      28•7 months ago

      Ukraine’s only way of winning is direct US/NATO intervention. So their only hope is to keep escalating and hope something happens. If Russia has an unmeasured response and begins attacking the NATO planes guiding Ukraine’s attacks or commits civilian reprisals then that might be enough to get the US directly involved (maybe).