Also legal in Ontario, Canada. A woman was arrested for walking around topless in hot weather. She was finned by police but topless men in the area were not. Ontario courts eventually rulled this was discriminatory but the provincial government did not appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada so the ruling only applies in Ontario.
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It’s also legal in British Columbia, Canada and it has been since 2000
Take Oklahoma off your list because in Tulsa they will still arrest any woman who does this. Apparently they refuse to follow that law that was passed.
I know because the city made big fucking stink about it when Tulsa women started to go topless when it was found to be legal. So they passed and ordinance making it illegal within city limits at public spaces so practically everywhere.
Yeah, this is effectively illegal in every conservative state.
de facto vs de jure
Yeah, this is effectively illegal in every conservative state.
It’s because y’all qaeda hates women.
Have there been any lawsuits about that? Surely someone has done it so they could then sue the city right?
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I bet they would charge them with “Creating a public disturbance.”
That’s what the cop who told me in Indiana, “Sure, you can wash your car at a public car wash while having a pistol in view; it’s not illegal. But I’ll arrest you and put you in jail for ‘creating a public disturbance’ in less than a heartbeat”. And, no, he wasn’t joking.
Happy about this. A scant few hours ago I had an over the fence conversation with my neighbor and neither of us were wearing shirts. It’s the ideal way to live.
Yeah despite there being a law against discrimination, the cops are obviously going to use their subjective view of things like lewd behaviour to charge topless women where they wouldn’t men.
That’s literally the law Ontario courts rulled cannot apply to topless women as it is discrimination.
On July 19, 1991, a sweltering and humid day, Gwen Jacob, a University of Guelph student, was arrested after walking down a street in Guelph, Ontario while topless after removing her shirt when the temperature was 33 °C (91 °F) and was charged with indecency under Section 173(1)(a) of the Criminal Code
Oklahoma is very much not Ontario
Yeah. Shit, isn’t it?
ACAB
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We need to switch from our current American view that all nudity is sexual. If you see a someone naked doesn’t automatically make it sexual!
People need to spend a little time at a nudist resort. They’d learn real quick that naked isn’t sexual.
Idk, I feel like for some people it is and for some it isn’t.
Like tbh I’d be worried about going to a nudist resort because (despite the trope that “only people you don’t want to see go there”) if I saw a woman I was attracted to I’d be worried that it would be…uh…evident, and that seems awkward and idk if it’s like, allowed to become tumescent even if it is an uncontrollable biological response (never stopped anyone from being mad it happened before, so…)
Idk, if I saw a woman walking down the street tits akimbo, I’d definitely be more inclined to think “ayy hell yeah” in my head than not, even if it happened daily, I can’t just stop being attracted to women, ya know?
Not that I think she shouldn’t, it’s her right and I wouldn’t complain about seeing them, but I can’t control my uncontrollable biological responses of “attraction” nor what happens naturally when “attracted,” if you will (though outside of nudist resorts, it’s hidable enough because clothes.)
tits akimbo
They have to be pretty big and saggy to do this.
It does sound like a mildly amusing female comedy troupe though.
I’m gay. Personally, I’ve just never had trouble in situations with non-sexual nudity. I’ve been to nude beaches, about ten of my city’s World Naked Bike Ride, and of course locker rooms. Plenty of hot guys around, it’s hard not to notice, but never had the smallest issue with anything being evident. It feels like it’s largely based on the setting.
Idk I feel like that is also highly dependant on your individual body. I know guys who never become engorged (without the help of modern medicine of course), and grown ass men that have never even fell out of that teenage “random boner” phase which we all surely have at least a passing familiarity with, and everywhere in between. I’d say I’m in between, the randos are gone, but they are easily triggered in certain circumstances.
You could bring a towel and casually hold it in front of the happy area. Maybe people will know what’s going on but they also know you’re trying. We’re all human.
Good to know, is that like, common etiquette in all of them? Not that I’m planning on going anytime soon anyway but I guess it’s good to know just in case!
It’s not even mandatory to be nude, at least the ones I know in Germany. So you could get accustomed to it slowly. As long as you’re not staring, you’re fine.
In Sylt, a German Island, the nude and dog beaches are mixed.
Huh, good to know, I did indeed think those places were mandatory to be nude at like the resort type places. I know they specifically have “clothing optional beaches” (not in my country afaik, but still), and those I figured were optional as they say, but I may hold a misconception about the “nudist resorts” proper.
Glad the dogs can be nude on the beaches though! Lol :D
Boiling it down to a purely biological process is oversimplified. Unless you are getting aroused whenever you see an attractive person, simply removing clothing isn’t/shouldn’t be a variable. You’ve been socially conditioned to think of all nudity as sexual. Spending time in a nudist area is somewhat about decoupling nudity and sex. (yes there are those that go for the sex, and it’s kinda the leading reason.) I think the point of being human is all about control over ones self and environment. Hell humans have spent more time on this earth walking around naked than clothed. Our current views on nudity and sexuality is relatively new due to social, political, religious, and practical reasons. (you don’t want someone nude preparing large amounts of food or people in hospitals being needlessly naked for obvious reasons.) Ultimately I’m saying if you are worried about being in a public nudity area and not being able to separate the other human from their body/attractiveness, it might be something you should explore. So you can be more open to others in general.
I mean, yeah, I see an attractive (especially scantily clad or nude) woman, and I do indeed think “damn hell yeah” every single time. Yes. Been this way my entire life and I don’t see an end in sight. I mean it’s not like I’m gonna knock her over the head and drag her into my hut but will I look? Yeah. Could I get a boner (that would likely go unnoticed unless we were at the aforementioned nudist resort)? Yeah absolutely, could happen. Sure, maybe it’s been social conditioning since I was like 11 but at the same time it still “is,” sometimes people don’t think it be like it is, but it do, even if the reason for it “being” is 30+yr of social conditioning.
I think that the notion that we exist to control our environment is comforting, but hubris. We exist in our environment and absolutely do not have a control of most of it. Like in this example, I can control my reaction in that I don’t become a sex crazed rapebeast every time “titty,” but I cannot control “mmm hell yeah titty.” Frankly, I’m not sure I want to. Hell yeah titty! What is wrong with me having a sexual nature as a human after all? I’m not sure liking boobs counts as a kink really (it certainly isn’t paraphilia) but “don’t kink shame me,” really.
Sure, cavemen may have been naked and if I was raised as a caveman perhaps I’d like titty less. Buuuut it’s 2024, and I’ve been raised in this world, where I do in fact like boobs.
Really it isn’t an issue for me as far as I’m concerned, excepting my hesitancy to walk around naked myself at a nudist resort because I don’t want to possibly have an embarrassing boner. It may be an issue for people who want to walk around tits akimbo and still not have them be seen or who have a problem with me liking seeing them, but they’ve chosen to be naked in public and so a certain amount of “being seen” has to be expected.
Sorry for the late reply. I’ve had a busy few days.
I’m not saying there’s natural/biological part to seeing some who is naked outside of culture norm to do so. What I’m saying is that decoupling your sexual desires from non sexual situations is beneficial not only for you but also for society. I’m advocating for a higher understanding of what it means to be human and respecting those despite what they look like or what they are wearing. Yes all within reason. Of course no one is arguing that you would knock a women out to SA (sexual assault.) her, but there are those that don’t have that level of control. And those people use our ridiculous cultural ideas about nudity and sexuality to do such atrocities. Your stance is just the lesser form of, “what was she wearing?” “why was she in that environment, she should have known SA was a possibility.” Just because a women is walking around naked/topless does not mean she wants to be objectified. (because once you boil someone down to an object, harming them becomes much easier.) Ya have that moment of nice tits, but don’t mentally linger on it, ogle at her, or voice your desires to others. And if you see others doing the opposite chastise them. If you want to get so excited about boobs go on the internet, go to a strip club or reputable brothal, or get in a healthy relationship with someone that’ll show you their’s in a sexual manner. I fucking love women’s boobs and ass, and love smashing may face into them during consensual activities. But I can also see a naked woman and not have the first thought be sexual.
Honestly, I must respectfully disagree. Personally, I still respect someone even if I want to have sex with them (or enjoy seeing them topless, as it were), in fact if we started getting to know eachother and found out I did not respect them, I would no longer find them attractive.
I further disagree in that I think simply looking at someone and being attracted isn’t (or at least isn’t necessarily,) objectification. I think there has to be a whole lot more at play than just “oh this girl looked at my abs while my shirt was off in public, she’s objectifying me.” Even if she said “oh look at that guy’s abs” to a friend, I don’t think it’s crossed a line. Attraction isn’t necessarily a problem, what’s a problem is not taking no for an answer. Even if the first thought is sexual, so? Sex is natural, attraction is natural, it is what it is, just don’t harass people.
I agree. There’s such shame and disgust around the work of art that is the human body that really needs to be worked on.
Some of y’all should be ashamed.
Projection much?
No u!!!
True! My first thought is usually drugs without further context.
I mean, sure. But also need to switch from our current US American view that sexuality is bad
Are you male or female? In this case, it matters.
You see, males (for the most part) ARE attracted to breasts! It’s hard wired in our brains! Even gay friends have an obsession with boobs! We men LOVE boobs!!
If you want to go topless, I say: FUCK YEAH!!! But I feel like the disconnect comes from some people feeling violated if men stare. I’m sorry, but if there are boobs within eyeshot, I’m gonna be looking at them. I might try to hide my gaze (because I don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable), but I’m gonna be checking them out. As frequently as possible. Because…boobs!!
I’m sorry if this is not the kind of response you were looking for, but…BOOBS!!
I disagree that it’s “hardwired in our brains”. It certainly has a strong cultural bias. Also, I kinda look at it like a gynologist: If you’ve seen 20 of them naked, it gets boring and you stop staring, I guess.
I’m a cis heterosexual male. I love all things about a women’s body, but I’m mature enough to not pop a boner just because I see a naked attractive woman. Like is that honestly hard for some healthy adult men?! Like if that woman and I are making sexual advances towards each, game on! Otherwise, what’s the big deal?
You are talking about culture not purely biological. Before clothing men weren’t walking around with erections all day. Same thing goes for many other cultures. The obsession with seeing anything naked is because we treat all nudity equally when it’s not. I see it as a personal control and character issue that is ingrained in western and Abrahamic religions areas.
I’m not saying I would be walking around with a boner. I’m saying I would want to look at naked breasts because I appreciate female bodies (in this case, specifically the chesticle region) no matter the shape. Are you shaming me for that?
Sure, if everyone walked around naked 24/7, it would probably be less of an issue. Do you believe that everyone walking around naked 24/7 is a viable option?
And also, you seriously believe that it is an issue ONLY with Western cultures and Abrahamic religions?! I’m starting to think you have never spoken to someone from China or Japan about their societal norms.
As long as you keep your inner monolog to yourself and are not ogling at the women I don’t see it as problematic. But you should still try to decoupling your sexual desires from non sexual situations.
On the other hand, I’m gay and breasts just don’t do anything for me. Now a guy with a decent set of pecs (but not ridiculously oversized), now we’re talking.
What’s your opinion on the Terry Crews style pec muscle jiggle?
It’s a bit much.
amendment the constitution. the right to bare tiddies
everything is speech including my nuts
New York, too! And a few other states, I think.
In America, here in France is a right nationwide ✊
I assume it’s because France is a sane country.
New York too. Or is it just the city?
San Francisco as well
IIRC it’s completely legal to walk around fully nude in San Francisco.
Edit: I was at work so I couldn’t look this up to post it but yeah, there’s a website dedicated to it.
Bring your own towel for the bus, please. I’m sick of sharing.
It’s certainly legal to be that one random dude sunbathing in Delores Park during the handful of days that are warm enough. The rest of San Francisco is rocking jeans and a light jacket / hoodie. That is the official Bay Area dress code.
But we do have cabaret laws in NYC that say you can’t dance in an establishment without a license for dancing which is super dum dum.
Reminds me of something…I think it was Stormy Daniels or some similar figure talking about her first time working in a strip club, and a local law said that nude performers had to be on a “stage,” but there were no technical specifications for said “stage” so they had small raised platforms not dissimilar to a cargo pallet for the girls to dance on near each table.
Yup legal in NY.
Should be nationwide
Should be worldwide
Nice.
Always love to see some boobies.
All boobies, both genders!
Just women for me.
Of all ages
Legal in more states now. https://gotopless.org/topless-laws
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Washington surprises me. AFAIK full nudity is legal in Seattle.
See how Indiana is red there? I had friends in college in Indiana back in the 90s who stripped to help pay for their schooling and they had to put round band-aids over their nipples. They could bare their breasts, inside a building, but not their nipples.
You mean in a strip club or in public?
Inside the strip club. No nipples allowed.
Wtf
I can’t explain it either.
Blue laws are hell to work around as a performer. Thankfully NYC is pretty lax.
That said, the silver lining is that nipple pasties are an absolute central part of burlesque now and you can find everything from cheap disposables to custom made works of art
Blue laws
Are they called that because they relate to blue balling?
To be honest nipple pasties are HELLA sexy. Just makes it even better when they get taken off later on. But who knows, maybe the reason I think so is because of burlesque popularizing them.
It’s so funny though. Like the nipple suddenly makes it horrible smut but it’s okay with almost the nipple.
Blue laws are a joke. In many states you can’t show underboob
Also, notice it’s only fem presenting nipples
Man nipples = Go for it anywhere at any time. At the DMV? Show off those nipples!
Woman nipples = the worst thing you can possibly see in a strip club.
did not expect Nevada to ban tatas
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And if you’re not comfortable with people seeing you topless, just head further north, where there’s no people anymore
I’m guessing toplessness gets rarer as it gets colder, long before you run out of people.
Or as we Brits (of any gender) might say: “I’m freezing me tits off”
I’m in a very far southern area in Canada, and I’m here to report, it’s not something that happens here either.
So heading further north, let’s see, more rare than “I have never witnessed nor heard from anyone who witnessed it”… Uhhh. I feel like this is like dividing by zero.
It just doesn’t happen.
The fact is, it should be legal. It’s sexist if it’s not legal. Whether anyone chooses to exercise the right to do it, is an entirely different matter.
Totally agree, I was just reiterating what the previous commenter said - if someone doesnt like toplessness then they can just go where there’s no people <or where it’s cold>. Not really a serious comment. 😅
Free the boobies
It’s really just free the nipple, which highlights how ridiculous it is. Even more so when you see images where male nipples have been pasted over female nipples, which would theoretically make those images ok.
I’m getting flashbacks to Tumblr’s “female-presenting nipples” censorship rules during the porn ban.
In Washington state, you can just be nude. As long as you are not doing anything to be “obscene”.
Oregon too, last I knew at least.
This is, in fact, what makes Portland’s annual naked bike ride event possible.
Naked siblings, through and through.
What are you doing, step-city?
Whipping out my Oregon
Yes, Portland had decriminalized public nudity if participating in a peaceful protest, while not engaging in sexual conduct, and away from certain restricted areas like parks and schools. The annual naked bike ride is an organized peaceful protest that chooses its route appropriately as to not encroach on any areas where public nudity would otherwise be prohibited.
I was told (but didnt confirm this) that in Barcelona you can go full nude almost everywhere and there is a naked guy on a bike that is pretty famous there (didnt get to see him fortunately?)
I’m like tonr between this like one side thinks who cares if men can do it women should have the right, but you get angry religious nutjobs. On the other side you get weirdos who will just be even bigger creeps.
YES
END THE HYPOCRISY
👏 FORCE
👏 MEN
👏 TO
👏 WEAR
👏 SHIRTS!^^^apologies, i should have appended an ‘/s’^^^
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Im sure some people are attention seeking to some degree but most people i know who go on neighborhood runs are just out doing their own thing and if anything are overly self conscious about showing off their bodies. I overheat incredibly quickly when I go for runs, and I frequently have to peel off my top layer and I’m still soaked. I can’t imagine I’m the only one. And I absolutely hate having any attention drawn to myself. Judgment from other people when I’m just out trying to get in a nice run outdoors sucks.
Honestly this is a good idea in some settings. If there is a concern of harassment or anything like this just require shirts.
I mean…I have self body issues. I wear a hoodie in the summer when it’s nearly 100F.
But I was thinking we go the other way on this. Ladies, just because I’M ashamed of my body, and cover up, doesn’t mean YOU need to! Let the girls get some air!
No way am I going swimming like JD Vance.
NGL, swimming with a shirt on is dope, no sunburn, im happy to admit im weird
Plus you can pull the neck of it up around your mouth, draw the neck hole tight enough to form a loose seal, and exhale into it to inflate it like a balloon :D and then your voice sounds neat and echoey in it! Wet fabric is not as permeable to air so it will actually stop it from escaping too fast.
Sunscreen is expensive
Exactly this. I don’t like Vance, but I can’t blame him for wearing a shirt while swimming. Sun shirts are way better than applying sunscreen every so often.
Of course he does
He’s a nevernude.
Heck nah, free the tiddy. I’m transitioning and I wanna be able to show off what I’ve grown when I’m able haha
Also just like, can we all stop making everything sexual and let peoples bodies exist. Instead of hiding everything and making ourselves feel ashamed of our bodies
If a trans person lives somewhere they legally cannot change their gender, does that mean they can legally go topless in a state where its illegal to bare breasts, because the State still recognizes them as men?
You’d likely be labeled a fetishist and thus arrested for acting lewd in public.
Free them tiddies!
On a serious note, while I’ve always believed that boobs aren’t inherently sexual, years of bathing people has extended that to all nudity.
Once you get used to seeing people naked all the time, nudity by itself ceases to be sexual. There has to be intent to the nudity to matter.
And it isn’t like I didn’t bathe attractive boobs and vag (that being what I’m attracted to personally, I’m not into guys), I did. Plenty of them, surprisingly, what with accidents and illnesses being involved (you’d think that illness and injury would reduce the attractiveness overall, what with part of attractiveness being signs of health). Even in nursing homes, there were enough attractive bodies that most people would be surprised.
But it wasn’t sexual at all. Well, not for me anyway, some of the patients had moments.
It’s just skin.
The flip side of that is that after a while, I just got annoyed at people doing the usual “old people gross” bullshit. No, they aren’t, they’re just old. Age, disability, none of it makes someone’s body unpleasant inherently. Tbh, there’s beauty in all of it after I got past the initial dissonance with nudity in general. That “I’m not supposed to be seeing this” that we get drilled into us.
I always look at it this way… being into feet is one of the most common paraphilias(other than breasts) that people can have.
If folks into feet can control themselves in summertime when barefeet and sandals are common, then people into boobs can control themselves when they see female nipples out.
I also agree that we need to desexualize the nude human body outside of sexual contexts. I went to a classical art school where we would draw from live nude models for 8 hours a day.
How quickly you get used to nude bodies is kind of impressive, and the men in class didn’t turn into sex crazed animals when we had nude female models. The folks into penises didn’t become possessed with lust over the nude male models. Everything went professionally as it should. So people can in fact handle nude bodies with maturity when they want to.
Its just most people dont want to… for some reason.
