This is why I get angry that whenever I complain on Reddit about climate change because of massive heatwaves someone said “just emigrate north lmao”. Neoliberals are deluded, we have to solve the problem, period.
Most people take complaining as an opportunity to give advice. Moving to a less risk adverse area is good advice and probably the most any one person can achieve in terms of reducing their personal climate change related risks. If you don’t want to get those kinds of answers you have to specify that you either dont actually want advice or that you specifically want advice that you personally can’t do anything with.
North is their answer… Ask them if Canada is north enough…
Where we had that Hell Dome^TM from June 25 to July 1, 2021 and 526 people died after it reached 50°c and didn’t cool off at night-- making it “the deadliest weather event in Canada to date.”
Or how about when it flooded so bad in the same place, 6 months later, that thousands of animals died, 20k people needed to be evacuated, and roads broke-- cutting off the Greater Vancouver Region from the rest of the Province.
North won’t save anyone 😬
Big “sell your house to aquaman” energy
They also fail to understand that there are 9 theorized planetary boundaries needed to support human life, and we’ve crossed at least 6 if not 7 of them. We need to not cross ANY. Moving north doesn’t fix most of these PLANETARY boundaries
Could you expand on what are those boundaries and what have we already crossed? Seems interesting.
Here you go :) It’s a complex topic so unfortunately summarizing it would still create a very large comment
“Solve” was 20 years ago. Now it’s only “mitigate”. But that’s the difference between global catastrophe and literal breakdown of organized society.
We could solve global warming right now with intentional cloud seeding, but many are worried geoengineering could be too effective and freeze us. Or, if we solve the heating, it could give fossil fuels the wrong impression that they can keep pumping CO² into the air despite it still killing the oceans with carbonic acid.
No. Solve is solve. period. I want a solution.
Ben Shapiro “sell your collapsing coastal house” energy.
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The global South would want to move south for the same effect.
Penguins are so much worse than polar bears.
They both drink Coke on Christmas from what I’ve seen on tv
Much less land in the south unless Antarctica completely defrosts.
It’s pretty ironic that right wing parties in Europe are actually making what they hate, African migration to Europe, more likely to happen. They don’t want any money going to programs that combat climate change and they don’t want aid going to Africa to help Africans survive and thrive and build their economies.
“Who am I supposed to sell my house in Florida to!??!!?!??”
Conservatives. It’s a victimless crime. Come on guys.
Have you tried getting a good auctioneer?
FUCKING AQUAMAN?!?!
No, Shazam. Aquaman is into too many environmental issues to be conservative.
One would think that the political party of “bUtT thE bIbLE!!!111one” would pay attention to the part about, ya know, even mountains flooding.
Fun fact: there isn’t any state that is safe from climate change disasters no matter what party is in power. Also, NC has a democratic governor and half of its House members are democrats.
Least affected states is/will be the Upper Midwest and even there, Republican politicians are making up for it by literally poisoning the drinking water.
Because they’re cartoon villains, except dumber than Elmer Fudd.
To be fair, it was one huge industrial area because of the great lakes ability to transport massive amounts of material. So it’s been poisoned land for like a hundred years now.
Not really, no. The Upper Midwest has poisoned lakes and also the best freshwater reservoirs in the country.
The GOP just choose to supply places like Flint from the poisoned ones because they’re corrupt and don’t give a shit about people who can’t afford to kick in at least $1000 in legal bribes every election season and more between elections.
The problem in flint wasn’t that the water source was polluted, but rather that it was more acidic than the previous water supply. That wreaked havoc on the aging lead pipes in the community.
Well I’m no entomologist, but wouldn’t increased acidity be caused by pollution of one sort or the other?
Also, the “aging lead pipes” bit us significant in itself and caused by politicians who would rather give tax break to the rich than fix basic infrastructure before it poisons people too.
Isn’t water infrastructure the remit of the state rather than the city too anyway, like it is in Mississippi and Georgia where they’re ALSO famously poisoning poor people, people of color and ESPECIALLY poor people of color?
Maybe the water was acidic from pollution, could be just the different source. Either way, they should have thought it out and could have treated the pH of the water. And sure, the aging infrastructure is bullshit. The entire thing was completely unnecessary too, basically Republicans who wanted to fuck people over out of hatred and spite, as far as I could tell. I don’t think we’re in disagreement there.
Sometimes I wish I could just use a magic wand. I’m glad there’s safe water, and I’m horrified they make anyone use the unsafe stuff.
Hell yeah, wait, I mean no.
NOOOO
I hear cartoon burns nicely, and can be cut pretty nicely with a guillotine.
The GOP has a supermajority in the NC House. NC has a democratic governor, who is term limited, and a right wing lt. governor. Plus the GOP state legislature went ham with gerrymandering and redistricting before this upcoming election. So the republican hold on the state might deepen.
Some nice points but also NC voted for Trump in the last two presidential elections - and this despite having been a swing state prior to that?
So yeah, not as deep a red state as they could be, but they were still fairly influential in e.g. dropping out of the Paris Climate Accord, not merely individually as a state but in causing the entire United States of America to do so.
The best time to have done something was yesterday - or in this case, 8 years ago.
Though the second best time is now.
The Bible is middle-eastern propaganda anyway 🙄
Some people get lost in a desert for 40, write a book about why they were lost for so long, and now folks give up Sundays to pray away their feelings.
Some people get lost in a desert for 40, write a book about why they were lost for so long,
See, that’s what not having OpenStreetMap does to a generation!
Why don’t people who have had their house burned to the ground in the wildfires just sell their homes and move? 🤪
To who the human torch?! Shit that joke doesn’t work does it?
He can’t get a bank loan, nevermind a mortgage
FUCKING TOPH FROM ATLA
Hurricane Irene and Schoharie County, NY. It’s happened before, and it’s gonna happen again.
And more frequently each year
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I hope you’re treated with the exact amount of compassion you’re showing here when climate change affects your home.
Excuse me while I laugh in Californian wildfires.
The difference between us is that I am not shocked when floodzones flood, forest fires burn, and landslides slide. The only “unnatural” change in the environment is fucking people. We turn swamps into cities and then cry tragedy when they turn back into swamps. We build cities in deserts and cry that there is not enough water. We overpopulated the planet and then complain that it is killing us. We are the problem. Nature is just doing what nature has always done. The nature of Nature is change.
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Brazil have been known as a really stable place without extreme climate events, but this year we had one of the worst floods on the history of the country that got all the insurance industry with their pants down. And now everyone is having to re model their assumptions and the re insurance rates went to the roof.
Brazil is a gigantic bowl catching the wet air coming in from the Atlantic. Ofc it floods. You’re only feeling it now because deforestation is out of control and surprise! Those forests protected the rest of the area from the worst of the floods.
I live in the mountains. 2000 feet above sea level. The nearest river is a mile away and 40 feet of elevation below us. The river normally is 3 feet deep and 10 feet wide, when the area gets a lot of rain it can run about 8 feet deep, but no worries because that’s how high the bank is. When Helene hit, the flood waters rose up to our street.
2000 feet is barely foothills. We build taller buildings than 2000 feet. When I hear “mountains” i expect a visable treeline at the very least. Mt hood, Mt Shasta, the Rockies, the Sierra Nevadas, those are mountains and ranges. You live in the hills.
Wrong community?
Or how is this a “meme”?
Microblog Memes. It is a Microblog.
Honestly, I think we should write off the entire Eastern US at this point. Sacrifice that shit to Poseidon.
theres a burger joint there i like tho. maybe save a smidgen, as a little treat
Spicy potatoes, corn on the cob, and cold Miller Lite always available at the replimat.
i ordered spicy corn and potatoes on the cob! lousy replicator.
The vegetarian g’rah isn’t half bad.
Southeasterner here. We already have.
All of earth is a disaster area. Extreme temps of hot and cold, tornadoes exist, wildfires, wildlife, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc.
And of course, apophis could just take us all out. 🤞
In that case we had best not anger him then:-).
Landslide mudslides on mountains are way more scary than floods. Floods you get a boat ok, landslides you’re dead and buried.
That is true. Flood creep in inch by inch and you get to run, landslide you need future sight.
The rivers in and around Asheville were rising a foot a minute in some places. Those waters also had cars, trucks, trailers and roofs in them.
Mud/landslides are awful, but so is flooding and it can happen a lot quicker then most people think. I’m very lucky to have escaped in time.
And if you are very, very lucky, it’ll happen in that order.
Mudslides are a thing that many people not living in mountainous terrain simply don’t realize exists.
The word “mudslide” also kinda hides the nuance that those contain stones.
Is a landslide different to a mudslide?
Landslides have bigger “chunks” in them and each individual point in a landslide moves a smaller distance than mudslides which are much finer and “flow” almost like an extremely oversized river, just made of mud.
And very fast.
The picture of an Appalachian main street buried in mud half up the doors really struck home for me. That’s not just going to recede on its own. If you want the area back it all needs to be dug out, just the same as any earth moving project.
Cleaning it is a bitc*.
Edit: wth, we have profanity filters here?
Find a new instance. lammy.ml is full of damaged personalities who think its their purpose is to control others thoughts. I finally just blocked them. Since what is seen there is invariably seen elsewhere they bring nothing new and definitely nothing positive to any discussion.
Tbf, [email protected] is there but nowhere else, if you needed updates on Federation software (remember that link will show no posts for you bc you blocked it, but you can click through to see it from another instance including its original one).
And some other communities there are quite large such as Firefox.
Though I still blocked the instance regardless - the trade-off of having to deal with those users just wasn’t worth being able to keep those few communities.
Edit: and occasionally I do see good comments from people on that instance, such as the person you responded to - those users aren’t universally bad, nor are they the only source of such (lemmy.world is now probably my biggest one these days, surely only bc it’s so large and kind-of a default instance). Still, I am enjoying my experience on the Fediverse now that the vast majority of trolling is cut out:-).
I by no means meant to suggest everyone who uses that instance is trash. The mods however are the worst. Also you have to admit most of the broke humans love hanging there. They rampage around feeding their love of hate and pain.
lammy.ml is full of damaged personalities who think its their purpose is to control others thoughts
“My mom won’t let me say swears because she’s a stupid cunt bitch.”
Profanity filters barely begins to scratch the surface of the heavy restrictions on lemmy.ml. The admins there are also well-known for banning people from not just communities but the entire instance if you criticize China, Russia, North Korea, etc., or certain leaders of such, or communist, etc. Imagine a Truth Social instance, except claiming to be leftist instead of right-wing - their way is the correct way and that’s final, dissent not allowed.
As it result, it has developed into quite the echo chamber. Not that that matters much to you bc you can access most communities across the entire Fediverse from there, or vice versa.
What may matter to you though is that many people, myself included, have user blocks in place (and lemmy.cafe has even defederated from it entirely) that prevents us from getting notifications from people on that instance. Blocking the big three instances (hexbear.net, Lemmygrad.ml, and lemmy.ml) cuts out >99% of the toxic crap coming our way, at the expense of conversations with innocent people who merely were not aware of the history of that instance and its relation to the Fediverse at large. I also lose out on a few larger communities that way but for me at least I consider it well worth the cost. So if you ever feel isolated, like people from other instances are ignoring what you say… it may be due to this effect, i.e. we may literally not even be aware that you replied to us at all.
So now you know.
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Fuck Russia.
Thanks. Maybe i’ll move this weekend.
Do as you want, but I wanted you to know your options!
Speaking of, nothing needs to be permanent - just make an alt somewhere and check it out, and you can always keep your old account (you will ofc find yourself using it less, if you enjoy the new one better:-).
Also, look at the Import/Export Settings section in your Settings menu for easier setup of your subscriptions and such.
A lot of people are recommending lemm.ee these days, but there are so many cool options to explore, just don’t let that thought hold you back from doing anything at all.
wth, we have profanity filters here?
Welcome to Lemmy.ML, where “bitch” and the n-word are equally profane, and the admins render both as removed so you never fully know what’s going on. If you want to have a better time, find an instance that isn’t run by tankies. I made the mistake of choosing ML as my first Lemmy instance, and I didn’t realize how much better Lemmy is when you’re not under their thumb until I left.
Lemmy.ml does. Lemmy.world does not. Come over to the dark side.
Eh, as long as you’re not spreading western propaganda you can pretty much say what you want. Fuck Russia!
Apparently you can’t what with the profanity filter.
You can’t use racial slurs or derogatory words, but you don’t actually need to resort to such profanity to communicate a point… and I feel that if you do, then you probably are worth filtering out.
Filtering out “bitch” is some weak sauce, man.
Ah I see, you’re baiting me. Have a good day, sir!
fuck Russia? that’s western propaganda already! Russia is an innocent nation being forced to invade its surroundings because NATO exists, it all makes complete sense as long as you ascribe to the literal geopolitical framework of the Nazis (geo-political realpolitik, yes a large part of said ideology was literally authored by a few prominent Nazis, no wonder everyone who uses it just ends up doing evil shit)
Right, and everything Russia does is amazing. Come on, whilst I agree that NATO is definitely more of an aggressor in this conflict than western media portrays, that doesn’t excuse the atrocities committed within it, no more than I can accept the atrocities committed within my own western country.
All governments do bad things, and objection to one of those things does not equate unbridled support for their enemies. To see the world so black and white is hollywood fiction.
I’m pretty sure there is nowhere in the entire universe you can go that wouldn’t be subject to some kind of natural disaster except maybe the voids. The big swaths of space with literally nothing in them? But then you’d just be subject to man-made disasters like your space ship/station crumbling to pieces due to poor maintenance or someone going space crazy and murdering everyone aboard.
Even then you might get obliterated by a GRB from some far-off solar system.
New England is pretty chill. Well, like anywhere with flowing water some regions are flood risks, but that is all very predictable if you go in looking for that info. Aside from that the worst you can count on is snow and ice storms. But at least property damage is usually low, just gaps without power in some areas. Frozen pipes are more preventable, but also more likely to cause significant damage. We do technically get some little earthquakes. And I think once a year or so tornados do happen, but the last time I remember one causing real damage I was in high-school. We actually were going to an event in Colorado and we flew over the storm system that would result in the tornado. That was like… God around 20 years ago T_T
I live in a very stable area that’s only had a single major natural disaster and that was a tornado that struck 70 years ago. The local chemical plants are more likely to blow up or something than for a natural disaster to harm us.
“just move away from natural disaster areas libtard”
“Noooo why are people moving here! We can’t have immigrants here! Move back to your natural disaster areas!”
Voids can get randomly blasted by gamma ray bursts. Just like Earth!
I have a degree in postmortem science and hobby in anthropology/archeology/paleontology. The biggest extinction event this globe has ever seen, the Permian Extinction, where over 90% of ALL life (96% of ocean life) went extinct, was from pollution and a mere 10°C increase in global temperature. That’s all it took to decimate life on earth. The pollution and heat came from volcanoes, but we are on the same path. It’s already gone up 1.6°C… I do think humanity will survive, but not the majority of us.
Some of my family doesn’t believe in climate change, and/or is religious to the point that they don’t believe in carbon dating and core sample data. I wish I could make them believe, but no data in the world will work.
I was part of a documentary on the largest fires in recorded history and so many were within the last 10 years it was terrifying. One in the forests of Russia was still ongoing when the doco was finished and RELEASED!
I understand the term isn’t always used in such a way, but there is something of irony to hear the term decimate (to kill 1 of every 10 people) to describe what you are saying that only 1 in every 10 survived.
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The Appalachian mountains getting massive flooding all the time. The only places you can really build anything are along river valleys in the mountains, so they flood when big storms come through.
The area I live in has flooded 3 times since it was first inhabited in in the 1780s. 1915, 2004, and Helene. Helene had about as much water as those previous two times combined.
“floods all the time” bite me
Not every town is gonna flood every year. But there are major floods across Appalachia every year because of the geography. It’s always been a high flood rosk area, which was a major reason for the TVA back in the 30’s. Electrify the area and control flooding. I’m not arguing against climate change. I’m just saying that “flooding in the mountains” isnt some Noah’s arc type shit.
Not like this. I’ve lived in a mountain valley that got big storms. Normal prep was one layer of sandbags around doors and other openings. Not trying to hold back 3 feet of mud.
I used to live in the area and the “massive flooding all the time” is literally nothing compared to the amount of devastation in the area currently. Entire communities have literally been obliterated by landslides. Thousands of people are stranded because of damaged roads. Hundreds of thousands are still without power. In some isolated areas it is going to take weeks/months to rebuild infrastructure to even access the areas, let alone repair homes and return electricity.
I’m actually upset, because your comment is implying that this is a run-of-the-mill occurrence in the area. This is an unprecedented tragedy and the worst flooding the area has seen since 1916 (and this time it affects thousands more people because of growth in the region.)
I would disagree. I used to live in Rosman, NC, about an hour south of Asheville.
This is absolutely a precedented tragedy. It is run of the mill. That’s because of climate change. Because of climate change, these 100 year floods are occurring once a decade. Yes, this is the biggest in those hundred years, but there are communities who are enormously affected by this regularly.
Calling it unprecedented plays into climate deniers hands. It wasn’t normal. But it is becoming normal. It is precedented. We caused it. If it’s unprecedented, people will ignore it as an oddity, an outlier. But people living there should expect this.
I’m not saying this isn’t unprecedented, but flooding (not at this level) has always been a reality of life in Appalachia. I remember going to Kentucky to help out after flooding in 2007 or 2008.
As a person that packed up and moved from Florida. It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done.
Leaving Florida was one of the more joyous occasions in my life. I moved somewhere with earthquakes and wildfires, but at least my daughters will have access to reproductive healthcare and if one of my kids turns out gay or trans they won’t be under existential thread. Natural Florida I absolutely love, esp when it used to be weird (a la Carl Hiaasen) but christ almighty is it a failed state.
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MN sure looks nice
It’s quite literally where I moved to from FL. And it is very nice, I wish I had moved sooner.
If we stopped growing almonds for the entire freaking world Norcal would have lots and lots of water. 80% of California water goes to agriculture, 20% of that is for tree nuts, and 2/3rds of them are exported overseas.
I do agree (as a Michigan native originally) the best prospects over the next 50 years are Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. But both career prospects and winter make that a hard miss for me.
Wait till you learn about alfalfa.
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California does not depend on Almonds, it only accounts for 1/4 of 1% of the California economy.
Worrying about the water use of almonds when animal agriculture is right there is absurd in any case.
I felt this. One of my partners cars was hit with a bat because she had a pride sticker on it. Our partner was asked to resign as a math teacher because they’re trans and respected students’ pronouns. By the end of COVID I was concealed carrying just to go grocery shopping.
I miss Florida wildlife deeply. I was part of Florida trail association thought I was never going to leave but life throws curve balls it’s up to you to figure out how to catch them.
Alabama native. Right there with you. The people changed so much during COVID that we started making plans in 2020 to get out before the next election. We moved this summer. Life is better and I’m no where near as worried about having to shoot someone to protect myself or family.
I brought a jar of red clay dirt with me. I’ll always miss the woods and creeks I knew.
Damn I should have brought some of that clay with me too.
We left 2022 I don’t have anywhere as much money as I did when I lived there but I’m far happier then I was there post COVID. Glad to hear you and your family are safer now.
Nothing quite like Florida cold springs for sure. I lived in Orlando and definitely took advantage of Rock Springs, Wekiwa, Blue Springs, etc. Truly magical places.
Thanks friend you reminded me of vortex springs in Ponce De Leon that’s some good memories.
It’s like it knieveled off of Georgia and landed smack in the middle of Mountainfolk USA.
