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I live in the mountains. 2000 feet above sea level. The nearest river is a mile away and 40 feet of elevation below us. The river normally is 3 feet deep and 10 feet wide, when the area gets a lot of rain it can run about 8 feet deep, but no worries because that’s how high the bank is. When Helene hit, the flood waters rose up to our street.
2000 feet is barely foothills. We build taller buildings than 2000 feet. When I hear “mountains” i expect a visable treeline at the very least. Mt hood, Mt Shasta, the Rockies, the Sierra Nevadas, those are mountains and ranges. You live in the hills.
I hope you’re treated with the exact amount of compassion you’re showing here when climate change affects your home.
Excuse me while I laugh in Californian wildfires.
The difference between us is that I am not shocked when floodzones flood, forest fires burn, and landslides slide. The only “unnatural” change in the environment is fucking people. We turn swamps into cities and then cry tragedy when they turn back into swamps. We build cities in deserts and cry that there is not enough water. We overpopulated the planet and then complain that it is killing us. We are the problem. Nature is just doing what nature has always done. The nature of Nature is change.
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Brazil have been known as a really stable place without extreme climate events, but this year we had one of the worst floods on the history of the country that got all the insurance industry with their pants down. And now everyone is having to re model their assumptions and the re insurance rates went to the roof.
Brazil is a gigantic bowl catching the wet air coming in from the Atlantic. Ofc it floods. You’re only feeling it now because deforestation is out of control and surprise! Those forests protected the rest of the area from the worst of the floods.
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“Who am I supposed to sell my house in Florida to!??!!?!??”
Conservatives. It’s a victimless crime. Come on guys.
FUCKING AQUAMAN?!?!
No, Shazam. Aquaman is into too many environmental issues to be conservative.
Have you tried getting a good auctioneer?
This is why I get angry that whenever I complain on Reddit about climate change because of massive heatwaves someone said “just emigrate north lmao”. Neoliberals are deluded, we have to solve the problem, period.
Most people take complaining as an opportunity to give advice. Moving to a less risk adverse area is good advice and probably the most any one person can achieve in terms of reducing their personal climate change related risks. If you don’t want to get those kinds of answers you have to specify that you either dont actually want advice or that you specifically want advice that you personally can’t do anything with.
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The global South would want to move south for the same effect.
Penguins are so much worse than polar bears.
They both drink Coke on Christmas from what I’ve seen on tv
Much less land in the south unless Antarctica completely defrosts.
It’s pretty ironic that right wing parties in Europe are actually making what they hate, African migration to Europe, more likely to happen. They don’t want any money going to programs that combat climate change and they don’t want aid going to Africa to help Africans survive and thrive and build their economies.
“Solve” was 20 years ago. Now it’s only “mitigate”. But that’s the difference between global catastrophe and literal breakdown of organized society.
We could solve global warming right now with intentional cloud seeding, but many are worried geoengineering could be too effective and freeze us. Or, if we solve the heating, it could give fossil fuels the wrong impression that they can keep pumping CO² into the air despite it still killing the oceans with carbonic acid.
No. Solve is solve. period. I want a solution.
Ben Shapiro “sell your collapsing coastal house” energy.
North is their answer… Ask them if Canada is north enough…
Where we had that Hell Dome^TM from June 25 to July 1, 2021 and 526 people died after it reached 50°c and didn’t cool off at night-- making it “the deadliest weather event in Canada to date.”
Or how about when it flooded so bad in the same place, 6 months later, that thousands of animals died, 20k people needed to be evacuated, and roads broke-- cutting off the Greater Vancouver Region from the rest of the Province.
North won’t save anyone 😬
Big “sell your house to aquaman” energy
They also fail to understand that there are 9 theorized planetary boundaries needed to support human life, and we’ve crossed at least 6 if not 7 of them. We need to not cross ANY. Moving north doesn’t fix most of these PLANETARY boundaries
Could you expand on what are those boundaries and what have we already crossed? Seems interesting.
Here you go :) It’s a complex topic so unfortunately summarizing it would still create a very large comment
I live in a river valley that tornadoes generally jump over. I also live on a hill much higher than the river will ever flood even in a catastrophic event like this.
And yet, back in June…
No tornado, just high-speed wind. And a lot of our neighbors got it worse than us. Trees through people’s windows, branches on cars, some of the roads in our subdivision were completely blocked for a couple of days. Houses are still being repaired.
There is nowhere safe from climate change.
Trees usually grow more wind resistant if they are exposed to more wind. This might just mean that your climate is also changing (quickly) or a unusually strong gust of wind came along. The particular tree also might have been sick.
Like I said, it was the entire neighborhood. In fact, the entire town.
https://wibqam.com/2024/06/26/photos-and-video-of-the-june-25-storm-and-damage-left-in-its-wake/
The SBA actually offered low-interest disaster loans to both residents and businesses because the damage was so bad.
Had one of those in my area a few years ago. Just like 5 minutes (probably less) of a freak strong wind and the massive tree in my backyard fell, along with many others. I’ve never seen anything like it before. Well, I probably have, just at an intensity low enough that it was a non-event.
Yep. This couldn’t have been more than 5-10 minutes.
Why don’t people who have had their house burned to the ground in the wildfires just sell their homes and move? 🤪
To who the human torch?! Shit that joke doesn’t work does it?
He can’t get a bank loan, nevermind a mortgage
FUCKING TOPH FROM ATLA
Wrong community?
Or how is this a “meme”?
Microblog Memes. It is a Microblog.
We got wind from the hurricane all the way in Chicago. I don’t like what that could mean for us in another decade.
You always get weather systems like that in the midwest from hurricanes. That system meets weather from the west coast there and literally creates tornado alley. And I agree climate change is very bad and making things worse.
I do think people fixate on “Climate Change is going to make weather patterns way worse” while losing a bit of sight on “Our infrastructure has been collapsing for the last 50 years and neither states nor businesses want to spend money to shore it up”.
These hurricanes are the big-ass straw that’s breaking the ancient and rickety-knee’d camel’s back. Even if we magically solved rising temperatures tomorrow, we’d still be dealing with the legacy of higher global temperatures for another century. And we’d still have infrastructure that’s continuing to pass its expiration date under the most benign weather conditions.
But because of the way we do accounting and measure economic growth in this country, these storms only ever seem to be counted as “future possible risks to hedge against” rather than “guaranteed costs to invest in anticipation of”.
Get ready for a daily “River Direction Forecast”.
Sounds like The Windy City was just trying to defend its title.
The Appalachian mountains getting massive flooding all the time. The only places you can really build anything are along river valleys in the mountains, so they flood when big storms come through.
I used to live in the area and the “massive flooding all the time” is literally nothing compared to the amount of devastation in the area currently. Entire communities have literally been obliterated by landslides. Thousands of people are stranded because of damaged roads. Hundreds of thousands are still without power. In some isolated areas it is going to take weeks/months to rebuild infrastructure to even access the areas, let alone repair homes and return electricity.
I’m actually upset, because your comment is implying that this is a run-of-the-mill occurrence in the area. This is an unprecedented tragedy and the worst flooding the area has seen since 1916 (and this time it affects thousands more people because of growth in the region.)
I would disagree. I used to live in Rosman, NC, about an hour south of Asheville.
This is absolutely a precedented tragedy. It is run of the mill. That’s because of climate change. Because of climate change, these 100 year floods are occurring once a decade. Yes, this is the biggest in those hundred years, but there are communities who are enormously affected by this regularly.
Calling it unprecedented plays into climate deniers hands. It wasn’t normal. But it is becoming normal. It is precedented. We caused it. If it’s unprecedented, people will ignore it as an oddity, an outlier. But people living there should expect this.
I’m not saying this isn’t unprecedented, but flooding (not at this level) has always been a reality of life in Appalachia. I remember going to Kentucky to help out after flooding in 2007 or 2008.
Not like this. I’ve lived in a mountain valley that got big storms. Normal prep was one layer of sandbags around doors and other openings. Not trying to hold back 3 feet of mud.
The area I live in has flooded 3 times since it was first inhabited in in the 1780s. 1915, 2004, and Helene. Helene had about as much water as those previous two times combined.
“floods all the time” bite me
Not every town is gonna flood every year. But there are major floods across Appalachia every year because of the geography. It’s always been a high flood rosk area, which was a major reason for the TVA back in the 30’s. Electrify the area and control flooding. I’m not arguing against climate change. I’m just saying that “flooding in the mountains” isnt some Noah’s arc type shit.
Landslide mudslides on mountains are way more scary than floods. Floods you get a boat ok, landslides you’re dead and buried.
That is true. Flood creep in inch by inch and you get to run, landslide you need future sight.
The rivers in and around Asheville were rising a foot a minute in some places. Those waters also had cars, trucks, trailers and roofs in them.
Mud/landslides are awful, but so is flooding and it can happen a lot quicker then most people think. I’m very lucky to have escaped in time.
The picture of an Appalachian main street buried in mud half up the doors really struck home for me. That’s not just going to recede on its own. If you want the area back it all needs to be dug out, just the same as any earth moving project.
Mudslides are a thing that many people not living in mountainous terrain simply don’t realize exists.
The word “mudslide” also kinda hides the nuance that those contain stones.
Is a landslide different to a mudslide?
Landslides have bigger “chunks” in them and each individual point in a landslide moves a smaller distance than mudslides which are much finer and “flow” almost like an extremely oversized river, just made of mud.
And very fast.
And if you are very, very lucky, it’ll happen in that order.
Cleaning it is a bitc*.
Edit: wth, we have profanity filters here?
Find a new instance. lammy.ml is full of damaged personalities who think its their purpose is to control others thoughts. I finally just blocked them. Since what is seen there is invariably seen elsewhere they bring nothing new and definitely nothing positive to any discussion.
lammy.ml is full of damaged personalities who think its their purpose is to control others thoughts
“My mom won’t let me say swears because she’s a stupid cunt bitch.”
Tbf, [email protected] is there but nowhere else, if you needed updates on Federation software (remember that link will show no posts for you bc you blocked it, but you can click through to see it from another instance including its original one).
And some other communities there are quite large such as Firefox.
Though I still blocked the instance regardless - the trade-off of having to deal with those users just wasn’t worth being able to keep those few communities.
Edit: and occasionally I do see good comments from people on that instance, such as the person you responded to - those users aren’t universally bad, nor are they the only source of such (lemmy.world is now probably my biggest one these days, surely only bc it’s so large and kind-of a default instance). Still, I am enjoying my experience on the Fediverse now that the vast majority of trolling is cut out:-).
I by no means meant to suggest everyone who uses that instance is trash. The mods however are the worst. Also you have to admit most of the broke humans love hanging there. They rampage around feeding their love of hate and pain.
Lemmy.ml does. Lemmy.world does not. Come over to the dark side.
Eh, as long as you’re not spreading western propaganda you can pretty much say what you want. Fuck Russia!
fuck Russia? that’s western propaganda already! Russia is an innocent nation being forced to invade its surroundings because NATO exists, it all makes complete sense as long as you ascribe to the literal geopolitical framework of the Nazis (geo-political realpolitik, yes a large part of said ideology was literally authored by a few prominent Nazis, no wonder everyone who uses it just ends up doing evil shit)
Right, and everything Russia does is amazing. Come on, whilst I agree that NATO is definitely more of an aggressor in this conflict than western media portrays, that doesn’t excuse the atrocities committed within it, no more than I can accept the atrocities committed within my own western country.
All governments do bad things, and objection to one of those things does not equate unbridled support for their enemies. To see the world so black and white is hollywood fiction.
Apparently you can’t what with the profanity filter.
You can’t use racial slurs or derogatory words, but you don’t actually need to resort to such profanity to communicate a point… and I feel that if you do, then you probably are worth filtering out.
Filtering out “bitch” is some weak sauce, man.
Ah I see, you’re baiting me. Have a good day, sir!
Profanity filters barely begins to scratch the surface of the heavy restrictions on lemmy.ml. The admins there are also well-known for banning people from not just communities but the entire instance if you criticize China, Russia, North Korea, etc., or certain leaders of such, or communist, etc. Imagine a Truth Social instance, except claiming to be leftist instead of right-wing - their way is the correct way and that’s final, dissent not allowed.
As it result, it has developed into quite the echo chamber. Not that that matters much to you bc you can access most communities across the entire Fediverse from there, or vice versa.
What may matter to you though is that many people, myself included, have user blocks in place (and lemmy.cafe has even defederated from it entirely) that prevents us from getting notifications from people on that instance. Blocking the big three instances (hexbear.net, Lemmygrad.ml, and lemmy.ml) cuts out >99% of the toxic crap coming our way, at the expense of conversations with innocent people who merely were not aware of the history of that instance and its relation to the Fediverse at large. I also lose out on a few larger communities that way but for me at least I consider it well worth the cost. So if you ever feel isolated, like people from other instances are ignoring what you say… it may be due to this effect, i.e. we may literally not even be aware that you replied to us at all.
So now you know.
Thanks. Maybe i’ll move this weekend.
Do as you want, but I wanted you to know your options!
Speaking of, nothing needs to be permanent - just make an alt somewhere and check it out, and you can always keep your old account (you will ofc find yourself using it less, if you enjoy the new one better:-).
Also, look at the Import/Export Settings section in your Settings menu for easier setup of your subscriptions and such.
A lot of people are recommending lemm.ee these days, but there are so many cool options to explore, just don’t let that thought hold you back from doing anything at all.
Profanity filter is enough for me to block the instance. Thanks for letting me know.
Fuck Russia.
wth, we have profanity filters here?
Welcome to Lemmy.ML, where “bitch” and the n-word are equally profane, and the admins render both as removed so you never fully know what’s going on. If you want to have a better time, find an instance that isn’t run by tankies. I made the mistake of choosing ML as my first Lemmy instance, and I didn’t realize how much better Lemmy is when you’re not under their thumb until I left.
It’s like it knieveled off of Georgia and landed smack in the middle of Mountainfolk USA.
I hear the moon has no natural disasters…yet.
A natural disaster created the moon.
Saw an article just the other day suggesting the earth captured the moon. IDK what to believe anymore.
How do you even get a pokeball that big?
I told her this, but she just wouldn’t try it.
Comets and shit: “hold our space beers”
It isn’t so much that the mountains flooded.
They’ve flooded before.
It’s how badly they’ve flooded. We may mot ge getting extra storms from climate change, but it certainly can make the existing storms worse.
IMO that’s what we’re seeing more of. From straight line winds being more damaging, to storm systems that might only have a couple tornados to now having a dozen.
Yup, also south Georgia historically gets missed by most hurricanes. Now that area has been hit by two in a matter of weeks. These are not coastal areas but 100+miles from the coast.
Yeah, everyone I was talking to about it was very confused why I was worried about a hurricane at my location.
They also aren’t flood plains though. Which is where it’s a problem. Anywhere can flood with enough rain. That doesn’t mean the area is prone to flooding on a seasonal basis.
But also we are getting extra storms? The average number of storms per season is up
That’s kinda the same thing tho. The entire scale gets moved up, because there is more energy available in the atmosphere and water to form and power storms. So when all the storms get more powerful, you get more hurricanes, because in the past those would not have grown big enough to be classified as such. Small local storms can more easily grow to become larger, having a bigger impact. And wind patterns can change as well, so it’s very complex and hard to predict. The one thing we know for sure: it’s bad news.
Except scientists have been predicting that they will happen, with increasing frequency from now onwards. Ignoring those predictions isn’t the same as them not existing. Those predictions may not say like “May 11, 2025 a mudslide will go down this specific hill”, but even lacking precision they are proving fairly accurate (especially “the climate is currently changing” and “as that process occurs, both the frequency and severity of dangerous storms will increase”).
Tbf, the for-profit media only sells stories that make the most profits, not what would be most beneficial for people to be made aware of. And while the latter used to be done by the government, now that “facts” themselves are “political”, it is hamstrung in that regard, especially held hostage by the budgetary fights. And with the two most official sources of factual information delivery having been coopted, we now have left behind the information age and have already entered the era of misinformation, or dare we say even disinformation, especially for people who get their “news” from Facebook.
On the bright side, the more stuff that happens, the easier it gets to predict. In the meantime, a lot of people are going to not merely lose some money but actually and fully die, maybe after seeing their entire families die before their eyes. And as it happens they will be shocked, Shocked I say, SHOCKED! Again, just as happened before with covid as well, and as also happens to each individual woman who has a miscarriage or such and needs a medically necessary abortion, but only when it is far too late to do anything about it - i.e. to fly or drive hundreds of miles to another state and live there for the duration of the pregnancy - finds out that yes those laws apply to her as well (surely she thinks to herself, “b-b-but this isn’t an abortion, it’s necessary!?” To which the doctors can only think to themselves “ikr!?!?!? if only ‘facts’ mattered, you know!?”), and this in areas that are at least well-off enough to not have healthcare deserts that won’t even handle regular pregnancies.
The one thing we know for sure: it’s bad news.
You made some very good points and I hope you don’t think I’m picking on you, I just thought these additional considerations seemed highly relevant. Lastly I guess I’m disagreeing with the final point: no, we cannot even all agree that it’s bad news, when the budget affecting literally all of us is held hostage by people who are still adamant about it not being allowed to be considered that it is happening at all. So yes, it is bad news, but the obstinacy surrounding that bodes far worse for us all than each individual incident could ever be.
I’m pretty sure there is nowhere in the entire universe you can go that wouldn’t be subject to some kind of natural disaster except maybe the voids. The big swaths of space with literally nothing in them? But then you’d just be subject to man-made disasters like your space ship/station crumbling to pieces due to poor maintenance or someone going space crazy and murdering everyone aboard.
Even then you might get obliterated by a GRB from some far-off solar system.
Voids can get randomly blasted by gamma ray bursts. Just like Earth!
I live in a very stable area that’s only had a single major natural disaster and that was a tornado that struck 70 years ago. The local chemical plants are more likely to blow up or something than for a natural disaster to harm us.
“just move away from natural disaster areas libtard”
“Noooo why are people moving here! We can’t have immigrants here! Move back to your natural disaster areas!”
New England is pretty chill. Well, like anywhere with flowing water some regions are flood risks, but that is all very predictable if you go in looking for that info. Aside from that the worst you can count on is snow and ice storms. But at least property damage is usually low, just gaps without power in some areas. Frozen pipes are more preventable, but also more likely to cause significant damage. We do technically get some little earthquakes. And I think once a year or so tornados do happen, but the last time I remember one causing real damage I was in high-school. We actually were going to an event in Colorado and we flew over the storm system that would result in the tornado. That was like… God around 20 years ago T_T
Hurricane Irene and Schoharie County, NY. It’s happened before, and it’s gonna happen again.
And more frequently each year
