Various thoughts:

  • Around 20 people weren’t properly covered by the gender categories, obviously we’re trying to be as inclusive as possible and a different approach will be tried next time

  • There were about 600 respondents, which gives us a accurate sampling of the active userbase. If you multiply any number by 3, you’ll get a fairly accurate representation of the full userbase each week. This means there are around 800-900 people who don’t identify fully as cis each week on this site.

  • Nearly 300 trans/gender diverse/questioning people unanimously agree that hexbear is an inclusive space

  • There was so much data on gender that I was really struggling to find a way to convey the data that wasnt a pie chart, graph, or an incomprehensible kalaeidoscope. If you have an idea on how to beautify the data, you can download the raw data here: https://pad.artemislena.eu/file/#/2/file/xzy4pck8on+oZp9yGRUIezR+/ - I further anonymized this data by removing time of response and any specific comments, I don’t think it would be easy for anyone to figure out who is who.

  • There were a couple of text responses that really needed further elaboration, I noted hexbear’s rules next to these comments

  • I’ll probably be doing a demographics survey sometime in the future, including basic fairly anonymous stuff like “what region were you born in” “where do the languages you speak originate” “would you describe yourself as a POC” “what age range are you in”.

  • The percentage of people answering they were cisgender increased by 8% than the previous survey. This could be for a myriad of reasons, such as cis people being afraid trans people will hunt them down in the public thread and assassinate them. Anonymity may have made them feel safer to respond. Regardless, way more people responded this time, which signifies that people felt safer responding to the cryptpad or it was easier to do. The leading question was a bit more inclusive than last time, but I think I’ll include both questions (are you transgender / gender diverse and are you cisgender) to see how people respond.

  • We have a lot of people that aren’t binary trans on this site.

  • Some of the questions were pretty funky and we got a lot of fuzzy responses on them as a result. In particular “After you realized you were trans/gender diverse, how long did it take for you to begin to act on it?” and “At what age did you begin transition?” caused a lot of friction, I think I will ask more vague questions in the future that lead to a path of more specific questions to capture better data, and to save people time. Questions like “Do you feel your gender transition had a defined starting point?” and some further ones.

  • Around 20 people each week on this site are cis she/hers, which is very low and roughly the same as last time. I feel like if hexbear ever starts hosting other federated stuff (like a federated tiktok or something) and can hook into it natively with lemmy, we’d see a better ratio.

  • I tried to be very sure any data with >2 people on it was clearly legible, I think some people might find it fun that there are others with their same fairly specific classifications per this survey lurking around on the site.

  • Overall I feel like the survey was a success despite some bumps.

  • You can find the other surveys/links here: https://hexbear.net/post/3016455

  • I made these graphs on company time bridget-pride-stay-mad

nerd

  • AcidSmiley [she/her]English
    66•6 months ago

    Around 20 people each week on this site are cis women

    I’m sorry to have to bring this up again, but your survery had no instruments to accurately measure that. It once more had no option to say if you’re a woman (i noticed, because that meant that i couldn’t accurately state my gender until i picked “other” and used the free text field). Only “are you cis or trans” and “which pronouns do you use”, which does not enable you to accurately assess people’s genders. PRONOUNS =/= GENDER. Cis women could go with none / use name, comrade or they / them for opsec reasons or because they do not want to be targeted by the many misogynist weirdos on this site or because they want to normalize gender neutral language. I know several cis women IRL who at least sometimes do this in online communities. In this survery, you wouldn’t know if they’re women. Or she / her may simply not be the pronouns that fit them. There was at least one cis woman with hy / hym pronouns in the replies to the survey.

    In future surverys, i’d abandon the approach to infer gender from pronouns, stick with the option to tick multiple boxes, but just add man and woman to the list.

    • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
      17•6 months ago

      Is the opsec reason that valid in an anonymous survey? Unless they think the admins would use that info to target them if they left any specific comments or they thought IP might be used to identify them. Seems like it would be pretty uncommon and might catch as many eggs as it does cis people lying for opsec reasons.

      Still, certainly better not to make such assumption than to make those assumptions. Especially with options like comrade that can be appealing regardless of gender identity.

      • AcidSmiley [she/her]English
        23•6 months ago

        Is the opsec reason that valid in an anonymous survey?

        The survery asked for the pronouns used on hexbear.

          • AcidSmiley [she/her]English
            19•6 months ago

            To clarify, by opsec i meant “avoiding personal information in publicly visible posts”, not “being afraid to get tracked through the survey”. And when i look at the breakdown of cis pronouns in the results, there’s a lot of he /hims, but also a bunch of different ones. Sure, cis women are extremely rare here, and they’d still be if all of the cis people with gender neutral pronouns where women, but i can’t help being nitpicky because i’m an awful nerd about surveying.

      • kristina [she/her]OPMEnglish
        22•6 months ago

        There’s no way to view IP on the Cryptpad AFAIK, and the website its on doesn’t log IP, its only in ram long enough to finish downloading a request, and even then its anonymized. Owner of the site is trans I’m in one of her group chats. I also edited out timestamps and comments in the raw data.

        If you did the survey through VPN or tor browser there is essentially no risk

        • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
          15•6 months ago

          That doesn’t mean a paranoid user would trust such claims. Also, if you use the same VPN IP to access hexbear and the survey, a paranoid person could worry about the linking of the two. Of course if you are worried enough about that, it seems like an easy thing to avoid.

          Either way, I personally wouldn’t have been worried about anonymization. I just didn’t take it because my accounts aren’t on hexbear, even though it’s the community I post on the most, so I wasn’t sure if I was welcomed or not. Guess a question about whether you have a hexbear account or not could be included alongside the demographic?

          • kristina [she/her]OPMEnglish
            19•6 months ago

            Yeah if you’re that paranoid you probably shouldn’t be on the internet or should just use tor for everything. Everyone knows I’m a filthy queer pinko in my town and nothings really come of it shrug-outta-hecks Even my boss knows I’m a commie, which is funny

    • Lerios [hy/hym]English
      19•6 months ago

      There was at least one cis woman with hy / hym pronouns in the replies to the survey

      horror hi, glad to be causing trouble and confusing the narrative lmao 😎

      but yeah i’m very keen of the idea that pronouns =/= gender, but that seems kind of hard for most people offline (even in many lgbt spaces) to get their head around. or the idea of neopronouns. god forbid you do both lmao

      ngl i got wayyyyyyy more upbears and responses to that comment than i expected from a stream of consiousness/vent about misogyny and gender stereotypes and my Situation™ and i got kind of scared lol. shoutout to the encouraging replies and reading recommendations tho phoenix-bashful

      EDIT: the thread is locked now but i typed a response to the person who asked why i still ID as a woman despite being masc (although, again, being masc or using different pronouns doesn't have anything to do with being a woman) before i realised that. may as well put it here i guess

      .

      gender only exists to be restrictive, so I don’t want anything to do with it. But I’m amab - there’s no reason for camaraderie there

      Gender exists to be restrictive in such a way that is designed to facilitate the exploitation of women

      You’re right, it is about solidarity and tbh about organising around shared concerns and dangers. When i complain about getting shit for not wearing makeup at work and such, the women in my life are fucking outraged while men i’ve mention it to tell me it can’t be that serious. If i ever need reproductive healthcare, it can be denied to me based on the fact that i am afab, and the vast majority of people who particularly care about that are other afab people. When i go out at night i keep a very close eye on my friends and we make sure we all know where everyone is and to get home together, because, due to the fact that we’re women, we are much more likely to be put in danger in that situation – and when I have been in that kind of danger, the people (even strangers) that have helped me have always been women, the people far more likely to know how it feels and how it happens. When my manager harassed a girl at work, it was women who organised a response while the men on the team said shit about overreactions and “the benefit of the doubt” and so on.

      There are a lot of situations where women and/or afab people look out for each other, either at large or individually. I have no reason to move away from the people with whom i have shared class interest due to shared oppression.

      • Lenins_Cat_Reincarnated [he/him]
        14•6 months ago
        reply to your spoiler

        As a transmasc I very much relate to that and it’s one of the reasons why it took me so long to realise I was trans and why I’m still struggling with my current selfidentification. I use he/him because right now it’s gender affirming to me but I think in the future when I’m more comfortable with how I look that might change. No transmasc around me uses he/him because they do not want to have that in common with the people that used to oppress and harass them before they transitioned. I also feel much more connection to women and people afab than cis men because cis men just do not understand and often belittle the oppression that plays a huge role in most women’s lives.

    • kristina [she/her]OPMEnglish
      34•6 months ago

      good point tbh, true, edited that. i try to avoid specifics generally because people seem to hate specifics on these forms, gender is a fickle creature

      • AcidSmiley [she/her]English
        22•6 months ago

        Ah, i see. I think the option to tick multiple boxes does a lot to mitigate that, though. When i look at problematic examples i can think of, it’s usually forms that have either “woman” or “transgender - MtF” or some shit like that as different options, where unconditional womanhood is implied to only be available to cis women. But if you have cis and trans, nonbinary and binary, inter, agender etc. all as seperate, not mutually exclusive, combinable categories, you avoid that. Like, if i want to answer truthfully, i absolutely have to pick woman because womanhood is such a core part of how my gender works, but i also can’t possibly seperate it from being trans, or from existing outside of a binarist system. And with a “pick any that apply” kind of wording, you include all that. Having options that exactly describe just one specific gender identity do not really work when you’re surveying a gender-diverse crowd because there’s so many identities and so much potential overlap between them. So i think it’s best to break this down into possible components.

  • combat_doomerism [he/him]English
    6•6 months ago
    me speculating about why the ratio is so off both quite long and could be dumb, thoughts have been ruminating on it since this thread dropped and I want to see if they have any merit to them or not.


    (a note before reading. when I say “most important reason”, i dont mean that another reason isn’t someone’s personal reason for leaving the site, I’m more just saying I’m not sure if you surveyed everyone who left the site that they would check “misogyny” as the reason or that the site gets exposed to so few cis women and trans men that even if the majority of those who leave the site choose misogyny on said hypothetical survey, that if got exposed a similar amount of times as it was exposed to cis men and trans femmes the ratios would be much closer to being normal.)

    in my (potentially dumb cis guy) opinion you can’t point to any one factor for why there is such a lack of cis women and trans mascs compared to trans femmes and cis men. The main factors I could think of that need to be considered are as follows: legacy of CTH, latent misogyny because of the same thing/legacy of chauvinist socialist organizing in general, impact of the transphobe purges and having a very active dedicated trans community, and where people have come in after the site’s founding like VCJ or the reddit exodus and what the composition of those people were.

    (i know the AGAB terms can be tricky to use especially as a dumb cis man so for brevity’s sake if i’m going to use CWTM as a shorthand for cis women and transmascs.) I’ve seen misogyny be mentioned more than once as a reason in this thread, but I’m not 100% certain if this can be pointed to as the most important reason despite that. before I get crucified, hear me out. my current thinking, is that for this to be the most major reason, it would have to mean to me that CWTM come in and think this community is more misogynistic than reddit and I’m sorry but I find that very hard to believe, the amount of outright misogyny I’ve seen and still seen on frontpage reddit pages is fucking insane. and in the case of incel central on reddit (r/tinder), i still used to see plenty of cis women (i dont think I ever saw any trans people using r/tinder tbh), using it in the past, so for cis women specifically I find it hard to believe the incel dating threads that pop up here on occasion are keeping them away. additionally, like it’s been pointed out no matter how trans positive the community is I feel like it’s hard for me to believe that there would be so many trans women on the site if misogyny was anywhere near as omnipresent as on reddit. like already mentioned, CTH was almost certainly cis male dominated, but we are 4 years out from that and with more than one wave of new people (plus whatever small continuous trickle of new users there was), i dont think it has much explanatory power anymore, and I seriously doubt anywhere near 50% of the site was trans at the time either. one thing that’s important to keep in mind though is still has a strong effect on the culture of the site even besides any misogyny, which could potentially be turning CWTM away. all this to say I dont want to deny that misogony on the site is a serious problem that needs fixing, but saying it’s the reason why has uncomfortable and frankly quite confusing implications for me.

    It seems like having a trans admin that went to war against transphobes of any stripe ended up creating one of the most militant, active, and trans positive communities on the web. this is a very attractive prospect to any trans people who stumble across the site, even more so than a generic cis male socialist would which means more trans people that find the site stick around than even cis men do. the problem with this is it doesnt explain why so few transmascs are on the site comparatively, so I dont think this can be the most important reason either. one thing I know is that there’s been attempts at reaching out to trans communities on other sites to get them here (and maybe even one focused on trying to get more trans mascs here?), i would be curious to see where these attempts took place, how successful they were, and what the breakdown of trans femmes vs mascs that ended up getting onboarded.

    finally, we have the waves of people joining hexbear post 2020. I’m unsure if genzedong had any meaningful influx into this site, from what I remember they mostly went to grad but of those who did I remember genzedong being pretty male dominated so i would imagine whatever growth came from that didn’t help the ratio (although I wasnt a user of genzedong at the time and reddit had gotten better about some of its gender splits over the height of the panedmic so i cant be certain about this). I know almost nothing about VCJ but i think if they were more evenly skewed it will bolster the argument of something being wrong with the site’s culture so if anyone reading this who makes it this far it would be helpful to my thoughts on this! finally, there was the massive reddit exodus. this i am also relatively unsure about, many of those who fled were some of the users who had very old accounts, which means that they skew even more heavily cis male. it also depends on what the split of who was using 3rd party apps, because those with 3rd party apps were typically those looking to leave reddit. I think this skew was probably more likely to be cis male dominated too, just by the simple fact that from my understanding over the years more and more people came to use the first party app over the third party app and cis women (again not sure about trans mascs never saw any data about them vs trans femmes) again were less likely to use reddit the further back in time you go ergo the more skewed the ratio is of angry 3rd party app users was of men. finally there were the socialists on socialist subreddit who got alerted to hexbears existence. now, i dont know what the gender ratio of the socialist subreddits left, but I will say I personally think there is way more and way more blatant misogyny in those subreddits than on hexbear, and combined with the gender chauvinism known to also be present in many if not most IRL western organizations, i could see this keep cis women and trans mascs and femmes both away. my best evidence of this is only anecdotal, but I have had to argue with dudes on there that it’s misogynistic to call women the b or w slur more than once, and while I can’t guarantee there arent cis men lurking who think it’s fine to use those words at the very least i think the slur filter lets them know that it’s not tolerated here. all this to say, if I had to guess what is happening and choose the biggest reason it would be that, that during the reddit exodus and even outside of big waves the most likely people to join are ultimately socialists, and if most of the people coming here find their way from reddit in one way or another from reddit socialist communities and if those communities are cis male dominated like i suspect, that would explain a lot of it. i think my theory is only viable though depending 1) on how effective the general “advertisement” the dedicated trans community does on here and 2) how many trans women got ripped away even if they werent explicitly socialist.

    ultimately this is a lot of speculation from me as someone who is 99.9% missing the experience to pick up on certain bigotries, but these thoughts have been rattling around on my head and i wanted to put them in a comment. the best way to figure this out would be through polling, but I don’t think we have enough data to figure everything, I think we would have to find a way to get a poll to some CWTM who have topped using the site, and we also need to figure out how most people find out about the site. speculation may be the best we have for now.

  • SadArtemis [she/her]English
    59•6 months ago

    the jokes about Xi save us and defense/denial of worker/minority abuse in China make us look bad, (etc etc) No different than libs defending Klanmala “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” (etc etc) Han supremacism no more acceptable than white supremacism (no shit), Dengism killed wholesome chungus communism, China surveillance state

    Wew. Also no one is defending worker/minority abuse (the surveillance state in China I will defend, let’s not kid ourselves socialist societies are under siege, were born under siege, etc etc) or claiming China is a utopia. And comparing support of AES to Klanmala support is straight up lib shit (and crying about Dengism is both ignoring dialectal materialism, and your western lowkey chauvinist, dogmatist opinion of AES). cringe cringe

    As for the comment about transmisogynism (while I’m not the one who mentioned it), somewhat yeah. And there’s def an issue of orientalist attitudes towards anime (as someone who is Asian), there is shit but wypipo/westerners’ and other cultures’ shit has its own issues. “Asian (specifically Asian) cartoon bad because (insert stereotypes here)” is tired y’all

    And yeah I called out people who posted their opinions, anonymously, who I don’t know who they are… deal with it xi

    • combat_doomerism [he/him]English
      29•6 months ago

      I do think it needs correcting but I feel like the attitudes towards anime come from again that we’re a reddit derived site where dunking on cringe weebs became a pastime, but in an environment without them it just turns into almost like a mirror of how weebs behave

      • Hexboare [they/them]English
        10•6 months ago

        I really don’t know how you’d square the Dengist healthcare reforms with historical materialism.

        Though I’ve never seen an anti-China leftist seriously talk about them.

        • combat_doomerism [he/him]English
          5•6 months ago

          that does seem like the worst part of reform and opening up, but I think it was probably a requirement for getting the tech transfers they wanted so badly

          • Hexboare [they/them]English
            8•6 months ago

            I haven’t read anything that would suggest that was the case.

            The initial underfunding (which led to black market mechanisms for access to healthcare) is consistent with the relative drop in revenue for the government, from 30 percent to 10 percent of GDP in the 15 years from the early 80s to the mid 90s.

            Then, if I was to put myself in the mind of a CPC planner in the mid to late 1980s, you’re seeing economic growth significantly accelerate from the introduction of market reforms - so if you don’t think you can fund the system properly (you discount Cuba in this scenario), it would not be a wild idea at first glance to legitimise and give structure to existing practices in the healthcare sector - do some relatively minor changes and kick the can of massive root and branch reform down the road.

            And we have seen the CPC continue to make comparatively minor changes to the broader welfare system (generally in a direction beneficial for Chinese citizens) since then, without the sort of massive reform to Hukou and welfare that would otherwise be required.

            If I were to put on my China watcher Orientalist telepathy helmet I would guess that XJP and similar thinkers in the CPC would want to continue to put off that level of reform at least until China has met the stated goals for the initial stage of a prosperous country (30k GDP per capita), and have made all the national improvements to things like standardised credit history, trade and rule of law across the country before tackling welfare.

            • SadArtemis [she/her]English
              6•6 months ago

              If I were to put on my China watcher Orientalist telepathy helmet I would guess that XJP and similar thinkers in the CPC would want to continue to put off that level of reform at least until China has met the stated goals for the initial stage of a prosperous country (30k GDP per capita), and have made all the national improvements to things like standardised credit history, trade and rule of law across the country before tackling welfare.

              That’d be the hope, anyways. Seeing the course they continue to take (controlled demolition of the housing bubble and turning the leftover into public housing, even further poverty alleviation efforts on a ground level, cracking down even further on corruption, preventing capitalizations like Jack Ma’s attempt to introduce cheap consumer credit, etc) I think they’re on the right track, though maintaining the integrity of any proletarian party (which I do think the CPC is- imperfect as all things are, but proletarian) is a never-ending duty.

              I do think it’s important to note however, that (while this is not to say this is or isn’t the case) different priorities in the path of developing socialism can be and are arguably valid. From the looks of it we both seem to have the same idea- China has probably focused on its national development, determining that certain benefits will take lower priority and less resources, and that (in regards to the drop in revenue) state revenues would take a secondary priority also to development/promotion of industries and enterprise (both private and public/state-owned). Personally I think this has worked out amazingly for them, and I feel most of the world (debatably, even AES states- though the majority of AES states also did not have the potential or circumstances of China as it is one of the world’s largest and most populous nations) would agree as well, IMO particularly those whose direct experiences or whose parents/grandparents of the past 2-3~ generations came from colonized, formerly dirt-poor (like China was) undeveloped nations.

              If China had only grown half as much as it did- if it only developed as much as, say, India, or even had remained in a middle ground, or reached the development levels of the late Soviet Union- I think that we would be living in a much more difficult world, for the anti-imperialist struggle and for China’s defending itself from military encirclement and the weaponization of trade and technologies, for instance.

        • carpoftruth [any, any]English
          12•6 months ago

          anyone bitching and moaning about china needs to look at who’s building green energy and who’s not. we can only afford to argue about capitalism vs communism vs sTaTe CaPITAliSM if there’s a biosphere worth living in. western chauvinists can shut the fuck up with their treatbrained critiques about ‘omg china also has a carceral system so therefore both sides’

          • SadArtemis [she/her]English
            11•6 months ago

            Couldn’t agree more. China has its genuine issues (and I believe- from all I have seen, with this belief only growing the more I learn of the complexities of the Chinese system, that it is on the path to and diligently working to address them- and I say this as someone who used to be a doubter).

            But the difference is night and day. China isn’t driving its citizenry or even the broader world into greater and more exploitative disenfranchisement by the day (unlike the western imperialist system), rather the opposite, it is lifting its people out of poverty and taking extensive measures to do so even for the most disenfranchised (ethnic minorities, generational poverty, etc), and peacefully collaborating with nations to assist them in doing the same.

            China isn’t flagrantly destroying the biosphere, leaving others to clean up its messes, and promoting Enlightened Individualism™ of nations where poor developing countries (like China till very recently- and it is still developing) are blamed for using what they need to survive while the history of western excesses (which were at the expense of the global south no less) is conveniently dismissed; rather, it is working with nations to solve the issues of environmentalism and their own material conditions rather than expecting the developing (colonized) world to bask in enlightened, environmentally-friendly austerity, asceticism, and anarcho-primitivism so that their colonial “superiors” can maintain their modern lives without ecological collapse.

            China isn’t supporting (religious, racial/ethnic, political) extremism and criminality (organized crime and in particular human and drug trafficking) across the entire globe, and it isn’t operating with some grand (not-so-hidden, considering the Wolfowitz doctrine) scheme of destabilizing all corners of the earth to maintain perpetual dominance and expansion. China isn’t holding a gun to its neighbors’ heads, even in the most questionable disputes they are not barbaric imperialists (unlike the west which is literally holding a metaphorical gun to China’s head, and to the rest of the world’s heads as well). China isn’t pushing for WW3, or even pushing for conflict in any geopolitical region, but rather seeking de-escalation and the development of peaceful multipolarity and mutual dialogue.

            The west is basically marching the world full speed ahead to environmental and nuclear armageddon, and actively promoting the immiseration and further destruction of all of humanity in the meantime (through further championing the contradictions of capital and trying to maintain hegemony). China isn’t doing any of that, it is working towards the opposite- and even if someone really believed in the “evil SEESEEPEE” all of the above is still true- and it could also be said that similarly, none of the BRICS or the global south at large are even remotely comparable to the west in these regards.

    • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]English
      31•6 months ago

      the jokes about Xi save us and defense/denial of worker/minority abuse in China make us look bad, (etc etc) No different than libs defending Klanmala “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” (etc etc) Han supremacism no more acceptable than white supremacism (no shit), Dengism killed wholesome chungus communism, China surveillance state

      White supremacy is worse for the simple reason that it has been institutionalized in multiple countries and is the bedrock of capitalism. Han supremacy is limited to individuals. The PRC hasn’t institutionalized Han supremacy and in fact has taken steps to combat it. Why else would the One Child policy exclude ethnic minorities from it? Like, you could find the mass graves of dead Indigenous children in residential schools. Not sure how anything the PRC has ever done is comparable to that.

      • SadArtemis [she/her]English
        25•6 months ago

        100% agreed, from the start the CPC has been explicitly anti-Han supremacy. And all the cracKKKers and cracKKKer-worshippers are hideous for comparing their crimes- of genocide across the majority of entire continents, of supremacist rule across the entire planet (even in regions not directly colonized like Iran, Japan, Ethiopia, the interior of China, etc- the “extraterritoriality” clauses imposed for instance), to whatever chauvinism may exist in China (which they at least have genuinely worked against).

        Everything they accuse China of is projection. I’ve lived in the prairies and was mostly raised rural there, and I’ve seen the conditions of the indigenous peoples there. The majority of first nations people I’ve known- including childhood friends, classmates, etc- were all adopted by white, Christian families, some of them rather questionable at that. I’ve seen (not extensively, granted) the sheer poverty of the reserves. I’ve seen and heard the anti-indigenous racism here, the squatter-mentality of settlers whose biases then naturally go on to translate to large numbers of missing (and “missing”) indigenous women- and men- which translate to police brutality, to the cases of coerced sterilization and other medical malpractices as gain attention now and then, etc…

        CracKKKerdom truly has no shame, no remorse, and absolutely no moral restraint whatsoever (nor concept of morals, simply excuses to justify the maximal amount of violence and exploitation against other humans). The entire west needs de-Nazification/to have imperialism purged from their societies, and by their regimes’ derangement they might very well force the rest of humanity to go in and thoroughly purge the illness- I’d hope not, but it’s not out of the question and increasingly it seems likely.

  • combat_doomerism [he/him]English
    27•6 months ago

    excited to see this! thanks for all the labor you’ve put into running this whole thing and then putting the data into a more readable format for us Care-Comrade

  • Speaker [e/em/eir]English
    18•6 months ago

    Never thought I’d say this, but we really gotta start breaking up all that pink. Really funny counterpoint to the NB side of the chart. Let a million splits bloom!

    And to all the “custom pronouns please” respondents: an attempt was made, and it was almost exclusively used to be shitty about neopronouns. A nice request process would be pleasant, though.

  • blight [he/him]English
    21•6 months ago

    who decided that 300 letter long lines would be good for that screenshot should uh, reconsider

      • AcidSmiley [she/her]English
        76•6 months ago

        “Very male-dominated” in a context where more than half of the userbase on the site is transfem is pretty yikes tbh. Yes, i know, you were talking about reddit, but still, it just feels weird to argue like that. Especially when reddit has a lot more cis women using the site than hexbear.

        There is something on here that actively repels cis women, and i gotta be honest here, it’s probably you guys. Dudes on hexbear have a serious misogyny problem, i have never seen a thread about relationship issues etc. that wasn’t full of incel shit, the dunks always get more vicious when they’re directed at women, i honestly wouldn’t spend any time here if the site wasn’t at least good at banning transphobes. We need similar purges for misogynists, which, btw, is something that has been called for over and over again in the trans mega.

        • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]English
          35•6 months ago

          Sounds like we should get on with that purge, then. The previous purges have only made Hexbear a more pleasant place.

        • barrbaric [he/him]English
          38•6 months ago

          “Very male-dominated” in a context where more than half of the userbase on the site is transfem is pretty yikes tbh

          Yeah I can see how I phrased that poorly, sorry about that.

          Especially when reddit has a lot more cis women using the site than hexbear.

          I think reddit partially benefits from scale. Initially it was for cishet male techbros, but eventually it reached critical mass to the point where it has kind of become a universal forum and source of knowledge, especially for a variety of hobbies. Anecdotal and small sample size, but FWIW I have never met a cis woman who listened to chapo, and during the API blackouts, lemmy.world emerged as the “default” platform on the fediverse so we were less likely to get new cis female users from reddit during that period. Tbh I have no idea where new users come from these days, though, other than lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.

          We need similar purges for misogynists, which, btw, is something that has been called for over and over again in the trans mega.

          I’m not sure how such a purge could be done. As kristina noted in the image, overt misogyny is already a bannable offense, and I doubt the mods would catch out a lot of people complaining about “free speech” like happened during the purges of transphobes. I’m guessing there are maybe some ideas in the trans mega?

          • Tomboymoder [she/her, pup/pup's]English
            26•6 months ago

            I’m not sure how such a purge could be done. As kristina noted in the image, overt misogyny is already a bannable offense, and I doubt the mods would catch out a lot of people complaining about “free speech” like happened during the purges of transphobes. I’m guessing there are maybe some ideas in the trans mega?

            I have some ideas, but people wouldn’t like them

          • the_itsb [she/her, comrade/them]
            11•6 months ago

            FWIW I have never met a cis woman who listened to chapo

            hi 🙋

            I don’t listen anymore, but I used to be subbed to the Patreon back during Bernie’s first run and for a few years after

            then I got broker and sadder and Chapo wasn’t helping that situation at all, but I had found /r/cth before that and hung around there until the sub was banned

            I missed the lifeboats when the sub was banned, so finding Hexbear after the API thing brought me to lemmy was pretty magical

            • barrbaric [he/him]English
              7•6 months ago

              Haha, well I stand corrected then. I wonder if the old /r/cth had any similar gender identity polls? I kinda doubt it, and it’s all gone now anyways.

          • CantaloupeAss [comrade/them]English
            19•6 months ago

            I have never met a cis woman who listened to Chapo

            Furthermore, every cis woman who has heard of Chapo seems to be reviled by it in my experience

    • kristina [she/her]OPMEnglish
      38•6 months ago

      yeah maybe around 20 per week, though a fun fact is we have around 24-30+ trans he/hims on here which was much more than i thought!

  • nothx [he/him]English
    41•6 months ago

    So, 49% of us are being sent to re-education camps? When do the busses leave?