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Nintendo has been actively taking down YouTube videos that feature its games being emulated or modded, which has sparked significant discussion and concern within the gaming community.
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It’s so nice to see all the Nintendo haters. I wonder if they’ve taken down any of my videos. I’ve gotten no notifications.
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I’m pro fuck Nintendo, what boot?
I literally run a project I’m waiting to get one of these legal threats about.
I think it’s how your first comment was phrased. It’s not 100% clear you are saying you wonder if Nintendo has taken down your videos.
On first read it’s as if you wonder whether Nintendo haters will remove your videos. The benefit of the doubt is scarce on Lemmy, so people seem to have misunderstood your comment.
Fair enough, I did mean Nintendo Haters as a compliment. It is the morally correct position.
I have a hard time defending the YouTubers on this one. I mean, Nintendo has been pretty good about allowing older games to be played on its modern consoles. See VGC, the NES/SNES/N64 pass, and the multiple re-releases put out for the Switch. At some point just pony up the money or play the older games on a physical older console.
Where the hell am I supposed to get a N64?
Plenty on eBay
What’s the point of that? Nintendo isn’t getting any money from that sale so from their perspective it’s literally no different from emulation.
If there is no legitimate means for you to purchase an original product from the company and give them your money then why the hell do they care if you’re emulating something they weren’t going to get money either way
Defending the youtubers for… doing something completely legit
I mean at this point my attitude on Nintendo stuff is fuck em, I’ll play their games without paying (if I even feel like playing any of their games) because they deserve it.
What did they do to you?
Not to one person, but to gamers as a whole.
See: Kaizo Mario directly inspiring Mario Maker.
See: LttP Randomizer, along with literally any other randomizer.
See: speedrunning streams literally making the market that Nintendo then sold the Nintendo World Championships cart into.
Nintendo absolutely benefits from this. They just want to crack the whip and take over. Fuck them.
Also, still can’t buy Mother 3. Double fuck them. Tons of titles play better on emulation. I shouldn’t have to justify it.
It’s not the same thing? Emulation of older consoles improve and mod the experience. Upscaling, custom textured, etc
I wouldn’t be surprised if this backfires a bit. The reason most publishers/IP holders don’t go after videos on youtube and twitch is because it’s basically free advertisement for your game.
If this behavior leads to people holding back on making nintendo based content, it could fuck them over in the long run. If you were a streamer or youtuber, would you feel particularly comfortable making videos and streaming nintendo games?
I know I wouldn’t. There is no guarantee that nintendo actually puts effort into determining whether you are using an emulator or not. And even for the people who do use emulators, they may not be looking to continue making nintendo content.
Nintendo is going after a lot of their biggest fans. It’s so obviously stupid, but they just keep doing it.
They’ve been doing this for a long time, and it definitely has a depressive effect. Even a big gaming youtubers like Videogamedunkey has commented on how every single time he does a video about a Nintendo game it gets demonetized, and while he can afford to take the financial hit every now and then there are plenty of mid-tier creators who can’t.
If someone has bought a Switch game legally, then it’s legal to dump that game to a PC and play it on a Switch emulator, right?
Sure you could say that very few people dump their own games, but those that do are doing everything legally I think?
it’s legal to dump that game to a PC and play it on a Switch emulator, right?
Depends on where you live. Copyright law varies significantly from country to country.
In the USA, section 117 of the copyright act lets you create a copy for archival/backup purposes only. What I’m unsure about (and don’t know if there’s any relevant caselaw) is whether bypassing copy protection to create the copy violates the DMCA.
The equivalent Australian copyright law explicitly states that you can use the backup copy instead of the original one. The US law doesn’t (all it says is that you can make an archival copy, not how you can use the archival copy), so it’s a grey area.
Both laws are for “computer software”, but you could easily argue that a video game is computer software.
Pretty sure they would consider this “format shifting”, which is not a valid exception to bypassing copy protection
I don’t see any way you could argue a video game isn’t computer software. It literally just is.
Nintendo could try make up something like “it’s not computer software since the Switch is a console, not a computer” or something like that. Not a great argument, but they have good lawyers and could probably convince a court that it’s true.
But the game is running on a computer with the emulator which still strongly lends to it being software
I think I somewhat recall during the peak Wii U disaster era, during shareholder meetings Nintendo would call the games for the system “Software”. So, that’d definitely backfire on them I’m sure
Nah. From Nintendo’s position, you don’t “own” the game. They do. All you bought is a license to play the game on a Nintendo approved console. By ripping the game from the switch dump, you are violating the license you bought by copying their software without permission.
From a practical perspective, fuckem. Your paid money to play the game and if you decide to play it on something else you own, go nuts.
IIRC this is what is currently protected in American law, but the problem is that in the time between now and the Sony/Bleem lawsuit Congress passed the DMCA, which has a provision making it illegal to bypass copyright protection. When emulating any modern console, you are naturally required to bypass the copyright protection on the game, which Nintendo would argue makes it illegal to do.
Maybe you could get around this with some kind of emulation scheme that requires the console to be plugged into your PC, like the emulator uses the console’s official hardware for the copyright check and then just takes over rendering the game.
Recent laws in Japan have criminalized console and game modding, as well as save file editing
What the flying fuck, Japan?
Hah. Fucking nothing better to do? We in the USA need to deal with our highest courts taking away women’s bodily autonomy, but over there they are clearly focused on the real issues.
Yeah all of these are ridiculous but save file editing? lol. That’s insane.
Tendy doesn’t like people giving themselves pokemon reserved for events
Predatory life-service bullshit before it was cool.
Like all the abandoned event Pokemon that are in the files and never fuckin’ released.
I used to hand out event cards for the arceus and gigatons flutes during Diamond and Pearl. Kids loved my store.
Nobody should give a flying fuck what “Tendy doesn’t like” because they are not entitled to dictate what people are allowed to do with their own property.
The owner of a copy of a Pokemon game has every right to edit his save file, in exactly the same way that the owner of a paper copy of a novel has every right to cross stuff out and write his own fanfic in the margins. These are fundamental property rights that have been well-established for hundreds of years, that Nintendo and other megalomaniacal copyright tyrants are now trying to destroy.
I concur
While we’re at it, game design patents are bullshit
Nintendo is doing everything in it’s power to screw over gamers, yet people will still consistently be like “omg pokemon, hiiiiii 🥺” and buy their slop even when the games get worse every time.
Like could you imagine if Microsoft did shit like this, the backlash would be huge.
They’re clearing out the scene before the switch 2 releases because they perceive the current emulators as a major threat somehow.
Which I assume means that the new switch is similar enough in architecture that it would be relatively trivial to ship a fully functional emulator on hardware release.
Pretty insane because at least in the USA, emulation is protected by law, except if someone can successfully argue that you are bypassing DRM which is illegal.
In a working system, this wouldn’t be an issue but I imagine neither Yuzu nor Ryjunix would want to deal with Nintendo’s insane law team that could wreck them financially in a matter of days before even entering a court room.
I hope someone either makes an anonymous dev team for a future project, or gets assistance from a consumer justice firm/group to properly argue in court to shut Nintendo down. They really should not be able to do this because it was already a thing 24 years ago:
Sony Computer Entertainment v. Connectix Corporation, 203 F.3d 596 (2000), commonly referred to as simply Sony v. Connectix, is a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals which ruled that the copying of a copyrighted BIOS software during the development of an emulator software does not constitute copyright infringement, but is covered by fair use. The court also ruled that Sony’s PlayStation trademark had not been tarnished by Connectix Corp.'s sale of its emulator software, the Virtual Game Station.
Wait until they go after livestreams
Livestreams are Fair Use in the US because of the gamers reaction and commentary.
The same applies to recorded content.
Wow! Way to tell the world to never buy your products because you’re petty sniveling greedy and absolutely hate your fans.
I’ve been gradually building up my Switch digital and physical library and stuff like this makes me want to just switch back to Steam and spend my dollar elsewhere.
The strikes are absolutely frivolous and Russ sets a great anti piracy example for others. Backups of your own content are protected.
I’ll have to mod a switch purely out of spite.
I’m going to stand by what Retro Game Corps stated that they don’t want to advocate for piracy. Lawful backup of your own games is protected. The aggression against Russ and others is uncalled for.
This is what we get because Atari fucked up with E.T.
(Atari would be owned by Disney by now, and thus also evil.)
Welp I guess this also includes NSO games.
They just killed Ryujinx too, proving it wasn’t the fact that Yuzu was making money.
I missed this - what happened? (Searching now)
Nintendo visited the main developers home in brazil and came to an agreement to end Ryujinx, a former dev has confirmed this over on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ryujinx/comments/1ftvi13/posted_via_ryujinx_discord_server/lpuz6pt/
Ghoul behavior
And it isn’t the first time they’ve done this. Disgusting.
Visited his HOME
Further proof that anyone who wants anything to do with Nintendo modding should do so completely anonymously. Treat it like you’re hacking a government system or something damn.
I remember etika talking about the nintendo ninjas doing the exact thing
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Switch represented Nintendo returning to its heyday of the SNES->Gamecube goodness.
Man, I feel like I dodged a bullet with that one. My SNES and GameCube controllers still work. So do my Wiimotes. (Okay, my N64 joystick is slack as my deadbeat cousin’s work ethic but otherwise…!) Heck even my Wii U slate seems fine (although the battery worries me.)
Switchcons have been a bit of a QA nightmare for a majority of people I’ve heard from though. Cheap and creaky, the sticks getting all drifty. Blegh!
People got way too greedy with Switch emulation
The fact emulators are faster than the real hardware, can you blame them? Also, modding games is vastly easier, and people like mods.
Nintendo is just shooting themselves in the foot by not making these things more accessible. its a service issue. But nintendo prefers to invest in lawyers and not into their engineers.
The fact emulators are faster than the real hardware, can you blame them?
This is a problem Nintendo has had a few times before, choosing weaker hardware makes it much easier for other platforms to match and outpace them.
My first time playing Pokemon was emulating Pokemon Red on PC. For some reason they put it in Australian stores around a month after the US release so emulation was the only way.
Similarly GBA was playable on PC very early in its cycle. DS/3DS was a bit less attractive because of it screen layout and inputs but that kind of quirk aside underpowered handheld hardware is just asking for emulator support.
steam deck is the best switch online device i’ve ever used ;)
Which switch emulator do you use? I’m pretty savy with Linux and run it on my desktop but haven’t really taken the dive to set any of them up. Metroid has been calling my name lately and I’m thinking it’s now or never. Got any suggestions?
oh i meant switch online for older games (nes, etc) since thats mostly what im into. havent done any current gen emulators. i think psone is the highest ive gone.
I used emu deck and it made emulators too easy to setup. Never did the switch stuff but have ran cemu for breath of the wild for wii u. Also have the original Xbox emulator and GameCube going.
Emulation does not equal piracy though.
Why are we not allowed to do what we want with our own stuff?
Yeah I’m now emulating games I own on switch on deck because my switch hardware is so wonky with controllers randomly disconnecting
I like their panoply of games, but I cannot in good conscience support this company. The time, effort and money they spent on their legal department could have been used elsewhere… Like pokemon maybe? I’m glad Palword saw daylight.
They’re suing Palworld too btw
Is that surprising to anyone? The specific grounds they’ve chosen for that lawsuit is odd but if any of their legal battles have merit its that one. Palworld is intentionally toeing the line between derivative and blatant ripoff.
I mean, gaming patents are horse shit from stage one. There’s 0 reason you should be able to patent a method or mechanic in a creative medium other than creepy corporate BS
Honestly, though - “method or mechanic”, do you think palworld is a pretty blatant copy of Pokémon or not? Like, most of it. Not just a single bit.
There’s monster collecting and battling, something numerous other games have done.
That’s where the similarities really end
Fair enough!
That logic could easily apply to any kind of patent or copyright. That’s not to say you’re wrong but it’s part of a larger discussion than it seemed like was happening here.
That was the selling point behind this game “The Medium”. The copy was the most tone-deaf thing, gloating about its one-of-a-kind patented mechanic.
My first reaction, especially as an aspiring indie dev: “Well, I’m not touching that just on principle.”
Jerks.
That was the one where the chick could switch to white hair and swap between “worlds” just like Silent Hill but slightly different?
Yeah, except I think you could play two characters in parallel (universes?) at the same time.
Seemed neat. Shame they had to encumber it like that.
It also basically screams “If not for this super amazing novel mechanic…this is nothing special!”
