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Google can do whatever bullshit they want, I am still not letting go of adblock
I won’t use sites with WEI or adblock blockers
I won’t use chromium
You can lead the sheep to the spyware but you can’t force them to open it
Sure hope you’re only using firefox since all the other browsers are chromium 🤣
Firefox have the same problem with the WEI filter, they also have to insert in Firefox the Google Token, same as any other, if he want to enter a Web with this fucking filter, anyway Mozilla will do this in FF precisely because several Google devs in Mozilla which are working on FF (Bad decision of Mozilla to have Google as main sponsor). Ad/trackerblocker are not the problem in Vivaldi, it has inbuild the needed filters (even those to block Cookie advices and adblocker warnings) and until now it has gutt out every Google intent with FloC, IdleAPI and others to control the Chromium base (remember, also Chromium is FOSS and customizable,above with first class devs Vivaldi has), also don’t have and don’t depends on extern inversors, but this fucking WEI DRM of websites is a greater problem and need to be avoided by ALL browser companies which are not Google in common, if there is not a genius which invent something to fake this Google Token. We’ll see.
Except safari of course (almost 20% market share).
Also, there are plenty of other browsers using Mozilla’s gecko engine. A quote from Wikipedia: “ Other web browsers using Gecko include GNU IceCat, Waterfox, K-Meleon, Lunascape, Portable Firefox, Conkeror, Classilla, TenFourFox.” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software))
Yes, certainly, but all of these, if they want to sync their data, or use a own selfhosted server or have to use those of Mozilla with an account, giving with it datas to Alphabet (Google) and googleanalytics. Sync is essential if you use the browser in several PC, PC and Mobile or simply as backup if the PC fails or you buy a new one and don’t want to lose your bookmarks, passwords and other data. Forks are a lot out there, also very nice ones, but most of these lacks the basic infrastructure, depending on a lot of third party services. A browser isn’t only an app to surf the web, it’s a continuos work, maintance, servers and most important, a good and active community. How many forks offer all this? There are almost 100 different browsers out there and other 70 which had said Game over for us, from people which thought “Nice, its easy to fork this engine making it to my like and gain a lot of customers”, nice short dream with a product oversaturated in the market.
alot of browsers also use safari webkit (e.g. epiphany)
Librewolf - desktop
Mull - mobile
Both firefox forks
My daily drivers! Tink! 🍻
They can pry adblockers from our cold dead hands. Then other people will make new ones.
They may kill this iteration of ad blockers. But there will always be another and another. Google has a lot of smart people working for them. There are also a lot of smart people in the FOSS community that will eventually find a way around it.
At the end of the day there will still be people recording songs by holding two boom boxes together.
Make software that runs on your computer that uses machine learning to detect ads on you screen and put kitties and puppy pictures over them. Browser and sites couldn’t do shit about it unless they start acting like anticheats scanning your computer for that software etc…
Hm, can we make an anti-WEI movement? Have a bunch of websites block browsers using WEI, to force it away?
I know that won’t actually work, but a man can dream…
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I mean, yeah, that’s why I said it wouldn’t work. Maybe if there was a website that was big enough that it would drive people to use non-WEI browsers if they couldn’t access it, but any website big enough to do that would also want WEI for ad venue.
The only big website that could even come close to doing this (they won’t, and if they did it wouldn’t work, but they’re big enough that the attempt would at least be noticed) is Wikipedia.
A slightly more “productive” (sort of) avenue of approach would be another large corporation for whom Google is a competitor, and who themselves doesn’t rely (as much) on advertising, interfering with WEI for their own self-interested reasons. Apple is the most likely candidate here, although again, I don’t think that’s likely to happen.
Donate to orgs like the EFF, Mozilla, and the FSF. Lobby your congressperson, your senators, and Biden to make the FTC to start doing its goddamn job again and enforce antitrust law.
The only real solution to this creeping megalomaniacal monopolistic behavior is legislative.
The real hope is the EU doing the right thing again and curb stomping the fuck out of google and hopefully the results spread across the world.
AdGuard Home for DNS adblock and Firefox with uBlock Origin👌
I installed AdGuard Home on a spare Android phone I have. Been using it as my DNS server for over a week now. It’s working beautifully.
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Just because it’s built on Chromium doesn’t mean it has to follow Chromes rules. I know that’s hard for you Firefox fanboys to admit though. Google will die but there’s Edge, Opera, Brave, Vivaldi, and more.
But any browsers that use Chromium have to obey google even if they like it or not
No, Chromium is FOSS and every compay or dev is free to modify it to their like. Do you think that Windows with EDGE follow the rules of Google in this Chromium? Or the Chinese Opera? Vivaldi also don’t with its gutted Chromium, But Mozilla does, even with Google devs working on Firefox, because Google is its major sponsor. Sends Data to Alphabet and Google analytics, because Mozilla made the mistake of making a contract with the devil, losing independence by relying on outside investors, above the worst one.
I know that the Firefox fanboys are going to pepper me with downvotes now, because life is hard and so is the truth. The enemy is Google not the engine. Chromium folds to Google only if you use it as-is, without bothering to remove the GoogleAPIs it contains by default.
Google needs to sponsor Firefox because if Firefox goes away, they will get hit with the monopoly stick of the EU and get bigger restrictions.
Just like what happened with Internet Explorer.
So it is imperative to Google to keep Firefox afloat whatever the cost. And Firefox has to do nothing in return other than exist.
Mozilla does not send any data to Google, which you can not say from any of the Chromium-based browsers like Edge.
Edge the last one, in EDGE all telemetries go to MS, Towerdata (the worst one, which use even keyloggers) and other afiliate sites. Firefox need the money from Google, because to maintan its Infrastructure, servers, bread and water for its devs. etc
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Refuse? Why?
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According to my kids there’s a few flash game sites like y8 (perhaps not flash, IIRC that got killed off, but you get the idea) where you’re blocked for adblocking. As soon as I have white listed a site they’ll find a new one. So they have ublock origin installed, but permanently switched off.
And for some reason at least one kid actually likes youtube ads smh
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My 2 year old knows how to hit the okay button on the remote when the Skip ad badge turns white.
Everyone hates commericals.
Kids these days with their loving ads and what not. I came from a simpler time where we hated ads with a passion. :shakes fist:
@BigDanishGuy @schrodingers_dinger, ??? Y8 (Html5, WebGl) works flawless for me in Vivaldi with the inbuild Ad/Trackerblocker
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As a zoomer I can never convince my friends to install AdBlock, they think it’s too much of a hassle.
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You literally install and forget it’s there, it’s not hard at all. Tell your friends their basic. 😆 Also, thank you for fighting the good fight. ✊
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Yeah, who would’ve thought that the advertising company would modify their software so that it doesn’t work if you block the advertisements.
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Don’t worry I’ll stop using AdBlock in Chrome.
Don’t worry, I’ll stop using chrome
Don’t worry, I stopped using chrome
Don’t worry, about a thing 🎶
Oh no Bernie Sanders has turned heel and joid forces with Google and he’s pissed
My normal internet usage consists of 50% ads, i get more ads on instagram than actual posts so i’ve started shitposting comments on the ads.
Leave my digital space alone, but since you don’t have the decency we have to do it ourselves.
Get a DNS Sinkhole like PiHole or use an adblocking DNS.
For YouTube I can recommend NewPipe (mobile) and FreeTube (desktop).
For everything else I use uBlock.
Edit: I don’t have Instagram so I don’t know how they serve ads. If they have separate domains for ads they can be blocked using a PiHole, though.
Tbh instagram is just a shithole because every post is someone flexing their influencer deal, trying to sell you some bullshit.
The rest are just true ads hosted by facebook (as far as i’m aware, since you can’t advertise on instagram without a facebook account).
I’m using an adblock on firefox and my internet on my pc is decent, it actually feels like i’m using the internet compared to it using me to shovel ads into my face.
Firefox FTW
UBlock Origin is fire
They really do want us to use Firefox, don’t they?
There is convenience in being used to a browser, but there is more convenience in not having to deal with ads. That’s why I use Firefox on Android.
I honestly don’t get people that say “I use Chrome because I’m used to it”. It’s not like Firefox and Chrome are immensely different when it comes to UX, right? The interface is pretty similar.
Sure. But I also professionally use a product that works better on Chrome (and Edge nowadays) so I’m lazy about it. Eventually I’ll move to Firefox on my home PC. But in on my work PC and phone 95% of the time already so it’s not going to make a huge dent.
Hey! Don’t let them know that they’re doing the world a favor! You know - the ‘don’t be evil’ thing.
The day I can’t block ads is the day I stop browsing the internet. I’ve been blocking ads since the popups and banner days.
What did they do this time?
They’re attempting to push what is essentially DRM onto the internet, so websites can block you if you don’t use their special browser.
Baffling seeing the “well, [chromium based browser] has adblock in [X Y Z] form.” Use the browser that will actually prevent this from disaster from happening again, which is Firefox.
What happened?
Web Environment Integrity API, an API that will gather metadata about your system setup, hardware and software, as well as if you have any extensions installed. Only WEI compliant browsers will be able to view WEI compliant webpages.
I don’t see this point anywhere in this discussion, but what speaks against spoofing it?
For real can’t we just fork a browser to fake WEI?
It runs server-side, not on your browser. That said yes, I do think spoofing it server-side will eventually be how we get past this.
I don’t know how this works, but in simple terms, when the server asks the Infos from the browser, can’t the browser just lie? I don’t understand why this is such a big deal, or am I missing something?
Edge on (android, not sure about iOS) mobile has “Adblock Plus” built in that can be enabled. Sure, I’d rather UBlock Origin like on my pc but when/if that stops working on Edge desktop, I wonder if they’d add a similar built in thing to desktop…
firefox on mobile works with UBlock Origin
yeah, I currently have both installed, mainly because I haven’t been bothered to switch from Edge desktop yet
aka the real deal
But not on iOS I believe
It’s better than Chrome (which has no ad-blocker at all) but I find it doesn’t block those insane pop-ups like uBlock on Firefox do. Kinda wish Microsoft would just bring their Add-on store on mobile Edge.
Never thought I would become an Edgelord again!
Firefox Mobile has supported ublock origin for years.
