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The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers.
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I wonder where she got the money from?
Dick Cheney? Oh wait, that is the war criminal an actual Presidential candidate is campaigning with.
That’s a nice change from the genocide stuff!
Uncle Putin?
Her trust fund. (And other rich idiots who think giving her money cleans them of sins of capitalism)
She’s just a rich bored kid who wants the attention like pretty much all politicians these days other than the prostitutes the Republicans bring in to slow proceedings in a way they expect to be able to control by being the source of their money.
Nothing about this story or Jill is important except for one thing. She is aligned with Putin in denying Ukraine weapons to defend itself. She may not be purposefully supporting Putin but she is supporting his position and making his position stronger ignoring Putin’s past patterns of behavior.
@[email protected], your thoughts?
I like her. I’m not voting for her, but I still like her. Thanks for asking!
I thought that username felt familiar, so I clicked through to their profile. Yup, already blocked lol.
lmao same
I think he’s still under his temporary ban ;)
Only 21 hours to go before we get graced with their wonderful presence again!
Oh boy, I can’t wait to see more sealioning, fake positivity and condescension from them!
Oh, wait. I have them blocked. Oh well!
You can’t see this, but my positivity is not fake. I’m just happy. Thank you!
Wait, am I famous? You guys were actually talking about me while I was gone?! Really! Oh wow, I feel sorta honored. Thank you!
*“infamous”
Actually I like that word better! Imma update my profile with that!
Wait! Dammit, I can’t. If I do, then it’ll just be a barrage of “You have the worst case of Main Character Syndrome ever!!” comments. So I’ll just note this mentally. But thank you!
Oh, phew. I was worried my clown signal was broken. I’ll try again.
Awww…temporary? Why?
Honestly, I think the mods should be promoted to sainthood for the level of patience they’ve shown with Monk (who as of late runs what seems to be a community related to MGTOW but without the toxicity called MRTOW) which is so beyond what I feel I’m capable of. I hope Monk appreciates the level of leeway they’ve been given here.
Is this MRTOW/MGTOW just mask-off incel shit? I think it would fine to ban that level of toxicity permanently.
Except that MRTOW expressly doesn’t allow the toxicity. I’m not an incel. I have a gf and kids.
Now if you wanna make an argument that I’m an idiot or something, ok, cool. But MRTOW is just celebrating men not actually getting married because the justice system is still skewed in a lot of ways when it comes to division of assets.
It’s not anti-women. It’s anti-marriage. I love women, just not marriage. MRTOW is not related to the current MGTOW movement–which IS incels now.
Thank you!
Well at least it’s been proven that I don’t get preferential treatment, so now people can stop saying that!
The fact you weren’t perma-banned for the amount you spam this community with propaganda is unambiguous proof that you’re treated with kid gloves.
Dude, I just came off of a 3-day ban for “sealioning.” And the mods have mentioned more than once that they think I have idiotic opinions.
You think that stuff is kid gloves?! Say wat, mate?! lol
I’m honestly not sure if sainthood is the way I’d put it. It feels negligent to me. But in fairness I’d love to hear the mods perspective on what they consider the threshold for trolling. It almost feels like it’s a secondary offense here. Like they won’t ban you for trolling, it’s got to be trolling aaaand [pejoratives|hate speech|etc].
I love how the one downvote on this comment only appeared after a certain someone’s ban had expired 🤣
Did nobody here read the article?
A spokesperson for Stein said she was unaware of Pool’s reported connection to Jan. 6; a lawyer for Pool insisted his client was filming a documentary, not taking part in the attack.
Just because you’re somewhere people are doing bad things doesn’t mean you’re in support of it, especially if you’re filming them doing bad things…
The real story here is that she had to pay any law firm at all to fight against the Democratic party to get on the ballot, because the Democratic party is suing to undermine democracy.
Riiiight. She was totally unaware of it. Because Russian shills are notorious for being honest about their deceit.
You still didn’t read it, did you?
Oh I read it. I think she’s full of shit like she has been the entire time.
Again, you’re not reading it. I’m referencing the last part. Literally just read.
Sounds like they read it, and decided it sounded like bullshit.
They keep referencing what Jill said, which tells me they didn’t read it. I didn’t say anything about what Jill said. I referenced the fact that they were making a documentary about the event. And they literally condemned it as an “attack”. Insurrectionists defend the insurrection
She’s a Russian shill. That’s what the article says. I fail to see why you’re here defending it still.
There’s what they claim they were there for that hasn’t been litigated yet and what they are seen on video doing (carrying around a bike rack style blockade and waving a gadsen flag). This is completely ignoring the recent assault charges they’ve received these are both easily found online.
Yeah. While I think its wack to vote 3rd party given the risks of a republican win with anything nowadays. Stein has been around for awhile and if she was motivated by a win at all costs type thing she would not be part of the green party. I mean she could have easily ran for house or senate as a democrat and likley have had a political career for the last few decades.
Cornell West 2024!!!
The US Green Party, and all other minor parties, have no incentive to act professionally or nominate serious candidates because voters can’t really punish it electorally for nominating shit candidates or other screw-ups by the party.
Green Party electoral results:
Libertarian Party electoral results:
Working Families Party electoral results:
Constitution Party electoral results:
This is the really important bit.
Like, we need third parties, but running them in federal elections is at best a dog-and-pony act, and at worst, a useful agent for the least-aligned party via the spoiler effect.
Even if a third party candidate miraculously won the presidency, they would be cockblocked their entire term.
The way they are now is an insult to democracy.
If they really wanted to do be effective, they’d best be working together where goals align. And where goals should align for all of them, voting reform and moving off FPTP, would be a damn good place to start.
But they don’t want to be effective. They just want to pop up every 4 years, get some money, con a few suckers into thinking that voting for them will give them a clean conscience, then disappear back into their hole. Giant fucking scam, all of them.
If they really wanted to do be effective, they’d best be working together where goals align.
This is what the WFP does. They have a number of members running as Democrats, or put their endorsement to democrats, where needed (or where they don’t have ballot access and need to run as Democrat).
They don’t belong in NateNate60’s list.
The WFP uses electoral fusion to join with Democrats. Don’t lump them in with Constitution (far right), LP (far right), or Green (pure spoiler, doesn’t work with Democrats, never makes efforts to keep the far right out).
Under the WFP ticket, they have members elected to the Philadelphia City Council. There are members of the WFP currently up for election through fusion, running under the Democratic ticket. Lets take a look here at a few things…
In 2015, NY WFP ran 111 candidates, and won 71 local offices.. Ed Gomes became a member of the CT Senate.
In 2017, Josh Hall won in CT House of Reps.
They are new to many areas. CA in 2022 for example. Sue Altman is the WFP leader in NJ, and is currently running under the Democrat ticket.
I wish she’d go away tbh.
In Nevada, the Democratic Party initiated a lawsuit to exclude the Green Party from the ballot, claiming the party used the wrong form to collect signatures from voters. The Green Party appealed the case and was represented by Jay Sekulow, an attorney who defended Trump throughout his impeachment trials (last week, the Nevada Supreme Court rejected Stein’s bid to be put back on the ballot).
In Wisconsin, Democratic National Committee employee David Strange sought to remove Stein from the ballot by arguing the Green Party can’t nominate presidential electors without legislative candidates eligible to do so. The Wisconsin Supreme Court declined to hear the case. Stein was again legally represented by a Trump-affiliated lawyer, Michael D. Dean, who was involved in lawsuits that attempted to overturn the results of the 2020 election, the Journal reported.
From another article:
The affidavit originally submitted with the Green Party’s petition in July 2023 was the correct one. However, because the petition that the Green Party submitted contained a separate mistake, an employee in the secretary of state’s office sent the party a sample petition that included the wrong affidavit – for use with petitions to put initiatives and referenda on the ballot. As a result, the affidavits that the Green Party later submitted with its petitions did not contain the attestation required for access to the ballot.
The secretary of state eventually announced that the Green Party had submitted enough signatures to qualify for the 2024 general election ballot.
The Nevada Democratic Party went to state court in June of this year, arguing that the signatures were invalid because the Green Party had used the wrong affidavit.
On Aug. 12, the state trial court ruled in favor of the Green Party, but on Sept. 6 a divided Nevada Supreme Court reversed. It concluded that the attestation that the Green Party had failed to include “serves an essential purpose.” Therefore, the majority reasoned, allowing the Green Party to have its candidates on the ballot when it had not fulfilled all of the prerequisites to do so would nullify “the requirements that were put in place for the public’s benefit.”
SCOTUS ruled with the Nevada Supreme Court and chose to keep the Green Party off the ballot. Their only real mistake here was really just some legal red tape filled out incorrectly. It doesn’t really matter if Jill Stein is a terrible candidate or not, the two party system will clearly go to the ends of the earth to kill 3rd parties from every becoming a thing lol. I guess it matters more for democrats since green party would be taking out more of their votes than republicans.
Wow, Dems actually exercised power in a legal manner to improve their chances. That is wild. Hope they don’t break their backs slapping themselves.
They will always do it so long as it weakens the left. The DNC exists to badger any left of center movement toward their center right position, and even put DNC funds to extremist right winger campaigns boosting Christian nationalist platforms… learning nothing from clintons pied piper failures only pushing us all closer to a fascist hellscape just to say guess we vote blue since we have nowhere else to go. Fuck Jill Stein and all but this is the exact shit that leaves me voting for literally any socialist instead.
I mean I agree with everything you said about democrats, but I don’t view voting as some endorsement of a system or party. I vote for the conditions I want to organize under.
Fair enough. Thats why I usually downballot blue too. At best it prevents local rightwingers from gaining momentum and at worst it gives the DNC enough rope to hang themselves with.
I only see the system changing in two scenarios short of civil war or coup. Either the dnc will lose and all the less privileged libs who wont collaborate with the fash join the fight, creating an actual resistance OR the dems will sweep a super majority and continue to enact right wing policies for the entire term with no excuses, disenfranchising young voters and creating a vacuum for a third party.
And the left exists to siphon votes towards the right. See? Unsubstantiated claims work both ways.
Its funny because Jill Stein being a shill is an unsubstantiated claim too.
Because everyone uses their opposition’s lawyers when there’s thousands of other choices. Additionally, everyone refuses to call a war criminal a war criminal when asked- several times.
It’s only unsubstantiated to people who refuse to accept it.
She put out an official statement saying Putin is a war criminal. Thats like a reverse uno substantiated claim!
She was grilled over and over again, and side-stepped the question every time. Putting out a statement afterwards is simply her doing damage control. Anyone with any common sense that’s paying attention would have had no problem answering the question when asked.
There is no defense for her shilling.
NONE.
The affidavit originally submitted with the Green Party’s petition in July 2023 was the correct one. However, because the petition that the Green Party submitted contained a separate mistake, an employee in the secretary of state’s office sent the party a sample petition that included the wrong affidavit – for use with petitions to put initiatives and referenda on the ballot. As a result, the affidavits that the Green Party later submitted with its petitions did not contain the attestation required for access to the ballot.
Wow.
The DNC seems overly happy to use bureaucracy as a cludgel to reduce options “legally” to themselves.
While I get the fear beating down your competition in an underhanded manner doesn’t inspire a whole lot of good will and also seems extremely unlikely to get the people you have just disenfranchised to vote on your side.
They resist any movement or adoption of new policy in favor of it staying as stagnant as possible. It’s a deeply confusing and long term failing idea. Just look at how Kamala is now polling worse with each passing week. She felt like change and initial momentum of “joy” was able to carry her a little but it’s not a permanent state and the initial dopamine is running out.
I honestly feel it. They took the high road for like a month. Back to slinging shit though they go. What a joke. How is anyone supposed to trust them?
They had the momentum of a new candidate and it was full of excitement for new policy then she was seemingly told to not change things still.
I mean literally pro gun and loose company first economic policies are early 2000 Republican policy. So now it’s instead just focus on how shitty the orange bastard is, which is a low bar to easily walk over.
It really does feel disingenuous to blame people uninspired by that and to claim it’s a fixing party. I get the other option but people need to not act like angels when stagnant bullies that refuse to budge or listen anymore.
See also: the Dems suing to kick Claudia De La Crúz off the ballot in Georgia and PA. “Democrats” in name-only.
Exactly! Good point!
Sort of upsetting all your up votes are from people that are happy Nevada “beat” Jill Stein, which is not really the point I think you are making.
I agree that its shameful behavior from the democrats. I wish they would consider why they’ve lost 2 million people to the Green party rather than try to ban them.
I was referencing the amount of votes they got in recent elections, although in 2016 it was 1.5 million not 2, so my bad there.
Jill was always a double agent
I’m sure the usual suspects will be along shortly to explain how this isn’t what it absolutely, positively is.
Right?! Oh wait…
Our biggest offender would, but they’re currently serving a 3-day ban for Sealioning (public mod logs are awesome).
What an echo-chamber cop-out. Asking for claims to be backed up is trolling
Ah! Look what we have here, right on cue.
Yessir, reporting to defend democracy from efforts to keep candidates off ballots
Defending democracy… By working as hard as possible to elect the guy who wants to end it!
Weird flex.
Banning political opponents from participating in an election is the end of democracy already.
Its hard to beat American intolerance isnt it. Democrats shout everyone should get along while throwing shit at multiple groups. Republicans just do the throwing shit part.
This country needs to wash the shit off their hands and learn how to actually work together for a change.
Nobody is banning anyone from participating in an election. Want to be on the ballot? Follow the state rules. Otherwise, mount a write-in campaign.
Now address the fact that you are working as hard as possible to elect the guy who wants to end democracy.
I’m with ya, brother!
Lol, whatever helps you sleep at night.
TIL there’s a public mod log
Yep! And I would suggest everyone look at.
Is there a link for this?
Don’t worry, he’ll return 2 Lemmy soon.
Hey there! You’re right.
Hi! :)
So you’re admitting to sea lioning? Bold move
Nope. But it’s public that I had a 3 day ban for it. Modlogs are public, friend.
[sea lion noises]
Got it. That certainly makes everthing about you make a lot more sense. And I’m not your friend.
Friend, they have said it before because it’s true. They are just here to change how Americans vote in a way that leads to fascism, on purpose. If you believe that useless rules can be used to stop that, take it up with the mods. Thank youuuu!
So you don’t think rules can stop a single fascist from posting propaganda? They’ve been banned shit tons of times for it. Eventually they’ll be banned entirely.
No one takes them seriously here anyway.
Probably at the stage where it turns into ‘it doesn’t matter since she won’t win anyway, this is just a protest vote to show support for third party.’
Third party that are just Russians. What a pathetic way to protest.
Democrats: “If you don’t vote for Kamala you’re a Russian.”
If you actively go to the polls and while you’re there – instead of voting for Kamala Harris, the only viable candidate against Trump’s pro-Russia fascism – you choose to vote for a Russia-planted spoiler candidate and you live in a state that’s not safe red or safe blue, then yes, you are pro-Putin’s regime, and you unequivocally suck ass as a person.
If you go cast your vote at the polls and you’re so braindead that you can’t fathom another third-party candidate is running without being a Russian agent in disguise, and you’re so scared that your candidate that you’ve convinced yourself is a perfect deity still might lose to a lunatic, then maybe you should re-evaluate why it is that people no longer trust Democrats blindly like you think they should.
The only reason she loses is cause the peasants didn’t know what was good for the economy.
And what about the huge group of people who care more about morals than money? Just fuck them? Oh no, I forgot, they are Russians right?
Do you really not see how your intolerance is exactly the same as republicans? You know you can vote democrat and still criticize them too right?
I think I love you a little bit more with each post. Have my upvote, brother!
That’s not very nice.
LMAO yep, that’s pretty much the sentiment in these parts lately. And people are only gonna get meaner about it too.
Let he who hasn’t dined at the same table as Putin cast the first stone.
What do you mean that’s everyone but Jill?
Using your logic, Obama is a Russian agent too.
Quoting verbatim from a previous comment of mine because it’s literally not worth my time to come up with something original to the same exact stupid, worthless argument:
Third-party fringe candidate who gets less than 1% of the vote having dinner with Putin, Trump’s national security advisor who was later arrested for lying to the FBI about his ties to Russia, and several major Russian political figures before an election in which Russian interference provably helped Trump win.
The US president acting in an official capacity and meeting with the leader of a major world power.
“They’re the same picture.”
Boy,
Russian botsJill Stein stans are really tripping over each other to see who’s the biggest, dumbest idiot, aren’t they?You mean the same investigation that found no evidence that Jill Stein was working with Russia? Let me guess, in your mind she’s so deep and undercover that it is more about a feeling than needing any evidence at all.
Democrat Stans really are tripping all over each other to see who’s the biggest, most intolerant facist, aren’t they?
Edit: TheTechnician said it far better than I did.
Hey, Michael Flynn was there, too.
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Leftists: The Green Parry isn’t a throwaway vote at all! Here’s my 40 paragraph manifesto that explains it all with YouTube links and op-ed opinion pieces to validate the proof!
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Catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror?
“No you.”
Compelling argument. /s
Almost as convincing as you calling a US citizen in Washington state a Chinese Government agent. Maybe if you want to be taken seriously in the future, actually provide some facts or say something productive.
Nope.
“Anything to beat the ‘duopoly’ of political parties, even if the party is tainted by neo-fascist dark money!”
Absolutely wild mental gymnastics lol
They really want a viable third party that peddles red fascism, BSW style.
Which party isnt tainted by neo-facist dark money?
You can spare Lemmy the whataboutisms with this one. Everyone is taking a little money from everyone else, but:
Neo-fascists absolutely prefer giving to the Republican Party above all other major parties and vice versa. It’s an open-and-shut case. Hardliners in the party routinely echo anything and everything that gets them brownie points from dictators and the country’s most degenerate billionaires.
The Democratic Party is not perfect (Israel being the elephant in the room, but make no mistake, Bibi 100% wants Trump back in office). But if anyone is pushing back against the return of fascism the most it’s the Dems. And you can see that in hostilities from Republicans and authoritarian governments alike.
The Green Party’s main candidate accepted gifts from the Russian Federation through their news network RT, which is basically a propaganda machine for the government which owns them. Stein’s ads openly said in 2016 that the Greens wanted Hillary to lose, fearmongering nuclear war with Russia. And this year it’s the same old shit with her: just make the Dems lose.
(Side note, Sputnik hired PSL’s Eugene Puryear as a long-time host. Also, PSL also has absolutely insane foreign positions. Like I’ll be the first to say the West is absolutely an imperfect cultural entity, but you don’t gotta just hand it to Putin or Kim Jong Un because they also have a problem with the hegemony.)
You should maybe learn a bit more about “whataboutism” because you seem to not be aware of when to apply it.
What I am saying is, if you dislike the green party because Russian money has made it into their coffers, but you won’t apply the same standard to democrats, then you are a hypocritical, and your message fails in my opinion.
If you think the democrats have the strongest stance against facism, you don’t understand the meaning of the word facism.
The democrats haven’t moved this country away from facism meaningfully in any way. They move the country towards profit, thats it. The republicans and democrats disagree on how to profit off the worlds misery and to what extent, but both are fascists.
The irony that americans can’t see how close republicans and democrats are in their intolerance and abuse of others.
Democrats: “We want to abuse non-white folk in other countries for profit!”
Republicans: “we want to abuse our own people to make profit!”
If you really think anyone who’s critical of the democrats is a shill or some other bullshit, then I wish you the best but thats a childish perspective.
You called it!
The same ones that jillsplain to everyone how her sitting there with Putin is no big deal.
You mean Shillsplain?
Even better.
Y’all literally sound as dumb as the Republicans sometimes. Its embarrassing to be associated with the democrat party these last few months I’ll say.
democrat party
Hm.
I like her.
She’s weird.
embarrassing for the green party
Since when do we care what she does with Russia’s money?
Seriously though… the propagandists are swinging for the fences here today! Sheesh! The comments are something else!
I never see positive posts about Kamala because centrist Dems know that there isn’t anything they can post about her that will be actually appealing so their only tactic is to beat up on the anti-war leftist candidate as much and as often as possible
Seriously? I’m actually growing sick of all the positive posts I see about her. I feel like the support is overwhelmingly positive and extensive on here to the point where some people lose touch with reality.
However, I see you are from a different instance, so it’s entirely possible that we are not seeing the same feed. Cannot see what you are seeing from where I’m standing.
Do you have an example of a positive post about her?
You’re kidding, right? Right now, the front page consists of whatever stupid shit Trump has done recently, downvoted crap pushing Putin’s favorite “anti-war leftist candidate,” and positive news about Kamala Harris and her campaign.
What positive news about Harris? All I’ve seen is her make statements assuring the population that she’s right of center
What moves this beyond Third party pays consulting firm for political campaign work that had previously done work for one of the duopoly parties… Like who else is there to hire for this kind of thing?
led by a suspected January 6 rioter
There are plenty of people on both sides that didn’t attempt to overthrow the government.
Sure but how many consulting firms for political campaigns are there?
I’m like if I pay my plumber and then it turns out he was a January 6ther. Does that really say anything about me?
You asked what was different, I answered your question.
There are enough that she could find one that wasn’t run by an insurrectionist if she cared. No one is going to look into who fixed your sink because no one cares. Half of politics is optics and making sure the people working for you aren’t going to make you look bad.
Not really 🤷♂️
You act like there is a American presidential campaign consulting company that’ll do business with a third party on every street corner lol. How do you know there are “enough” other options lol. I think you just want this to fit your narrative
