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I don’t believe the American people are good enough to reject genocide, but I’m willing to be proven wrong.
Oh, and how is Nate Silver still around? I thought the humiliation of 2016 should have made him crawl under a rock to hide forever
I don’t believe the American people are good enough to reject genocide, but I’m willing to be proven wrong.
Pretty much. Though even then it’s also a toss-up, because the system genuinely has nothing to offer and anyone with sense knows it, Klanmala’s “joy” and genocidal vibes can’t replace the actual material conditions Trump is calling out (though he won’t fix them either).
A bad country, with a bad society (many good people, but a profoundly and perhaps inherently sick and wretched society), and admittedly they’ll get what they deserve (same counts for my country and the entire west TBF).
I thought the humiliation of 2016 should have made him crawl under a rock to hide forever
Huh? Silver was literally the only “serious” prognosticator who forecasted a possible upset; everyone else thought it was a no contest (Princeton gave it like a 99.5% “Bayesian” prediction for Hillary).
“Bayesian”
“Bayesian” in contemporary use means “make up numbers and apply those made up numbers until whatever result you want to happen looks likely, even inevitable.”
Am I misremembering? Who was the statistician who predicted a slam dunk for Clinton and then later released a post about why he got it wrong?
it may have the Princeton Consortium guy. i think he said he’d literally eat his shoes, or a pile of bugs or something if he lost – i’m sure he at least ate rhetorical crow and had to follow up with a mea culpa post.
I don’t get why a 70/30 projection for Clinton should have humiliated him? He was more skeptical of Hillary than a lot of mainstream media. What should humiliate him are his dogshit analysis of political strategy and COVID stuff, not his projections
I don’t know if I’m online too much, and I’m definitely not smart enough to put things together, but it seems like these next few years will determine the next few decades and neither Trump nor Kamala wants to deal with that. To elaborate, war is on the horizon, the targets are China, DPRK, Iran, and Russia, and the events are already being set in motion. The wars will be both cumbersome, expensive, and potentially unpopular and blame and vitrol will be on whoever wins this next election. So with that said, neither party really wants to win nor deal with whatever turmoil comes from these upcoming conflicts. If Democrats want to keep the very little bit of legitimacy they have, they’d lose the next election , blame Trump for the wars and economic downfalls, and pick up whatever is left in 4-8 years.
My timelime might be off though.
I think both of them REALLY want to be president, Kamala for the sheer prestige of it and for being the first black women to do it, and Trump at this point as a personal interest in staying out of jail. I doubt either of them think war is on the horizon and if they do they probably believe they can avoid it (Kamala by continuing the ukraine war and trump by ending it)
I doubt either of them think war is on the horizon and if they do they probably believe they can avoid it (Kamala by continuing the ukraine war and trump by ending it)
I have to disagree here. Both sides have been at least drumming up support to attack Iran, unsure how this will look at the moment, but they agree that Iran is their “biggest” target and are not shy in saying so. That rhetoric tied with the unwavering support for isntreal gives either side the consent to target Iran.
Yeah I throw my hands up regarding iran, legit don’t know what is real and what is just spectacle
If Democrats want to keep the very little bit of legitimacy they have, they’d lose the next election , blame Trump for the wars and economic downfalls, and pick up whatever is left in 4-8 years.
I’ve seen some people float this idea. The Democrats are throwing this election so they can get Gruesome Newsome to the White House in 2028.
Dang it’s almost like she was bottom-tier in the 2020 primaries for a fucking reason.
I may not be Dale Earnhardt
But I’m about to crash into the wall because I couldn’t turn left
I may not be Johnny Knoxville… But I ate shit, on live TV
Demo are gonna lose this election, take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and say “We’ve gotta get more genocidal.”
Axios has an article out about infighting between Biden’s and Harris’s staff. I didn’t post it because it was a nothingburger of a read, but I guess it’s a sign they might be gearing up to pin a loss on Joe.
I mean it is at least partially his fault, but also it’s a fault that Harris can and should completely eliminate if she wanted to win
Why is he still president??? Fucking 25th amendment the man and you don’t have to worry about that anymore. And continuing to allow him to rule is an incredible failure of her basic responsibilities in her current job.
But she won’t do that because she supports all of his worst policies and opposes only his best, so if she got rid of him the ability to blame someone else goes away and it becomes obvious how bad she sucks.
But if they 25th Biden, then Kamala can’t serve her anointed 2 terms as president
I think the real reason, originally at least, was plausible deniability.
There was a ton of “look she’s only the vice president, you can’t blame her for Biden’s unwavering support for genocide,” early on.
At this point she’s made it clear that Biden is governing exactly how she would anyways, so I don’t know why they still keep up the charade, maybe inertia? Election is less than a month out anyways.
As long as it’s past the halfway point of the term it wouldn’t count against her. With just a few months left she could do two more terms if she wanted.
Yeah she can, term limit doesn’t apply for people who took the position more than 2 years into a term. LBJ, for example, was allowed to run for a thirs time, but opted not to because of how unpopular Vietnam war made him.
Edit: exact text:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
Well shit, I forgot about that
I get the distinct feeling that either Joe is checked out completely and not helping consult her campaign at all (other than because he’s toxic to her image), or Harris’ team has decided to take the direction of Clinton against the Biden-team’s objections.
They really have committed to a distinctly different strategy from Biden, so it isn’t surprising at all that there’d be a lot of in-fighting.
I keep forgetting that shambling corpse is still technically president. When was the last time he even appeared in public? Or had an interaction with someone that wasn’t scripted and stage managed?
I think the only reason they haven’t 25th amendment’d his ass is because then Kamala would have to be president and take on all the baggage of the office right before the election. Not that it would make that much of a difference at this point…
Yea, 100% it’s a political calculation.
Not only would Harris be saddled with all the shortfalls of Biden’s administration, but republicans would probably paint her as a power-hungry tyrant for pushing out her predecessor (they already are).
The way axios articles are written makes me want to toss my router onto the grill
lose, you piece of shit
I wonder why. It must be Russian propaganda there is literally no other possible explanation!
Anyone notice their polling numbers started tanking as soon as it came out that
was consulting their campaign?Or maybe it was the Cheney announcement? Or Walz’s comments on Iran and Israel?
Boy I’m so excited for another 2016, I can already hear the quiet panicking and finger pointing on election night.
i wish i didn’t have look forward to the threads from the diet reddit instances of the lemmyverse; but it’s clear that .worlders are no different than redditors (aka your typical uninformed liberals) and i suspect that those threads will be the only source of joy out of this entire election.
i wish i wasn’t childish told-you-so pleasure that will be definitely fleeting since liberals can only convince themselves to learn about their situations and usually don’t bother.
it timed pretty well with the VP debate (didn’t watch) but I would be surprised if that resulted in much difference given the large gap in favorability for the VPs
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I’m pretty sure it’s actually Biden’s team that has been recruited. Though to be fair, Biden’s team was probably Hillary’s old team…so yeah…
“We agree that immigrants are scary and dangerous, just don’t be weird about it, kay?”
Most honest democrats
When you put it that way
oh those fingers are already pointed at us and have been since the beginning.
you know those wacky oversized foam fingers? they just went ahead and taped them to us a decade ago and relieved themselves of the need to ever self-crit
somehow last election felt like this too
trump will always be the dark horse to a fucking horrible democrat (all of them)
At least with Biden there was a gesture to the left, even if simply because he had to solidify his support after the primary with Bernie and Warren
Now they’ve just completely dropped all pretext of being a left-friendly party and have doubled down on being center-right. The only thing not present from 2016’s run is the open derision of left-leaning “bernie-bro” dems - but even then, there is a pretty deafening silence that’s hard not to interpret as contempt.
To me this feels way more like 2016 than 2020, but my memory might not be serving me that well.
Bernie Bros
Genocide Snowflakes, Terrorist Left, Hamas Left, Anti-Semite Left, Russian trolls, CCP trollsNot sure if they have settled on a name yet for who to blame.
Eh, those are perennial anti-communist slurs used by terminally online libs
IIRC Hilary actually used the term ‘bernie bros’. I haven’t heard Harris say anything directly accusational about the left yet, but they’ve been keeping a tight lid on her public comments so who knows if she would, given the chance. I keep waiting for her to call anti-war protestors ‘antisemitic’ - she’s gotten close but I don’t think she’s been direct about it yet.
At least with Biden there was a gesture to the left
What? No there wasn’t.
Some of his campaign positions were lesser homages to Sanders’ positions, like the student loan relief and universal child care. I think Bernie dragged the entire 2020 Democratic field to the left, at least aesthetically.
Obviously those promises fell through (or were never real to begin with), but I don’t think he ever would have campaigned on them if not for the fact he was campaigning against them in the primaries.
Congratulations Harris. Get ready to become more than a president. She will become light itself
They probably think that Kamala wasn’t old and right wing enough. Next time they will select a 90 year old southern democrat who has dementia and that’s why he didn’t switch parties.
Quick, somebody do the Jeb! map but for Joe Manchin.
They’re gonna go with dick Cheney next aren’t they 😭😭😭😭
zombie strom thurmond
We have zombie Strom Thurmond at home.
George Wallace Jr., if he’s still alive. The bipartisan candidate.
Turns out the “Im basically a republican in all but name” strategy didnt work out work so well when
will always prefers the big wet boi.
