In some of the music communities I’m in the content creators are already telling their userbase to go follow them on threads. They’re all talking about some kind of beef between Elon and Mark and the possibility of a boxing match… Mark was right to call the people he’s leaching off of fucking idiots.
These products - Googles convenience products as well as the Social Media shite - were introduced gradually at the time. The single steps people took towards using these products seemed innocuous. Before you know it, your whole life is enmeshed in a privacy nightmare and the convenience and quality you were used to is gone. It’s like buying an apartment in a nice place of town and then within the next two decades the area turns into a shady ghetto slum.
Mots people do care about privacy, but most people see more pressing issues that goes first. It’s hard to care about something intangible when it’s hard to have a roof over its head, or to pay the bills.
Also musicians won’t hesitate to put their audience at risk. They doesn’t care about what they’re asking their audience, because they ‘feel’ like they have no choice. Which is objectively wrong.
And musicians are often ignorant about copyright laws, so how can they protect their audience if the don’t know how to defend them self?
I feel like the average person doesn’t understand their options and doesn’t want to understand them because it’s difficult to them. When I try to help explain privacy issues to others, their eyes glaze over instantly. They don’t want their private information to be collected and sold, but they don’t have the attention span to learn about “tech stuff”.
I am not an average person having worked in IT for a couple of decades now and I can tell you no, the average person is either not aware or doesn’t care.
Even I, and my peers who are very aware, don’t care
I think where privacy minded people fail to understand is that for most people we are not committing crimes or shady shit online therefore why care? A lot of us understand that if you type anything in a computer it is assumed to be on the public record either easily found or through a few hoops to get it.
If you want privacy write it down on paper or talk about it in person with your peers. Those are the most secure things.
Online and privacy are oxymorons. People need to understand this.
I think where privacy minded people fail to understand is that for most people we are not committing crimes or shady shit online therefore why care?
Yeah, I hate that argument (the typical “If you don’t have anything to hide, why should I worry”). Because you might not have anything to hide (debatable), but you know who does? Journalists, political activists, people in witness protection, people who suffered from domestic violence or human trafficking and need to hide, etc…
Don’t collectively erode people’s right to privacy, because there are people whose lives depend on it; and who knows, you might need it some day.
I agree with you 100% but it’s a very black and white way to look at things and the world is grey. Furthermore, the world feels drastically different than we do.
A lot of us understand that if you type anything in a computer it is assumed to be on the public record either easily found or through a few hoops to get it.
The problem is that nowadays your medical documentation, banking and other sensitive data is all transferred through a computer. And it should be protected and private.
For all intents and purposes it is “private” though. In your examples specifically banking and government, that data is not used for anything nefarious. People are screaming into the wind on Facebook, twitter, google, et al. In all of these there is an unspoken agreement that “we get it for free and you get our data to use as you will”. The vast majority of the public is oblivious to this or gets it and doesn’t give a shit because you are literally screaming into the wind.
Is it right? I’d argue no. But it is what it is. Control what you can.
This position is full of generalisations and false dichotomies. Care / don’t care, private / not private.
A lot of us understand that if you type anything in a computer it is assumed to be on the public record either easily found or through a few hoops to get it.
This is pure hyperbole. Sure a lot of idiots don’t realise that the platforms they’re using are not private, but it’s usually only admins that can access their stuff - it’s not “on the public record”.
The honest question then is why are you or anyone else online period? Who do you vote for? Where do you have accounts? The list goes on and on. The world has spoken. We are the vast minority regardless of if we are “right” or not. I agree with those privacy minded individuals but at the same time I have a life and in the grand scheme of things there are far larger problems out there.
Sorry I don’t understand what you’re getting at.
One can participate online and make choices about what risks to privacy we are willing to tolerate.
It’s not a binary “everything online is not private” because privacy is subjective - it depends on the context.
You’re proving my point. Everyone here is screaming into the wind when the vast majority have spoken. They’re willing to tolerate the risks. Those risks may be with google, or Facebook, or Lemmy but it’s always risk.
What I see here is a lot of complaints about everyone not being privacy minded from people on soapboxes. We do not represent an “average technical person”. You would be surprised what seasoned InfoSec people do and the tools they use. The path to full privacy is one of isolation and insanity.
Control what you can. It would make a lot of you much happier people.
I don’t think I am proving your point, you’re just not actually reading what I’m saying, or maybe we’re talking about two different things.
You’re talking about “everyone”, while I’m talking about me.
The path to full privacy is one of isolation and insanity.
What even is full privacy. My point is that the risks to privacy are many and varied. As I said it’s possible to participate online while making intelligent choices about what privacy we’re willing to give up.
the path to full privacy
Someone already explained to you the difference between privacy and secrecy, which is quite simple.
Privacy: you don’t want your mother to see a lewd picture from you, but you would want your partner to Secrecy: you don’t want anybody to know you eat poop
“Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.” ― Edward Snowden
Hard disagree. I just am pragmatic. I only have so much energy and unless you noticed the world is literally burning.
It is burning in part because any organized movement against social or economy change that is big enough is stop by interference by the government. You can’t organize a blockade of streets or a riot it the FBI is in every chat that you use to organize a group of activists.
I think where privacy minded people fail to understand is that for most people we are not committing crimes or shady shit online therefore why care? A lot of us understand that if you type anything in a computer it is assumed to be on the public record either easily found or through a few hoops to get it.
The issue isn’t that people are trying to hide their crimes or their shady shit, it’s that the information about ourselves that we did not post online/are only letting a select few know are being revealed to strangers without our consent. It’s about the choice of who we are willing to reveal what to. Are you willing to let strangers know every aspect of your daily life? What you eat, when you sleep, when you poop, where you go, what you like to do etc. Because that’s what companies want with data collection, to know every aspect of you, the good the bad the ugly, so that they can market your data to advertisers and constantly push their products to you. Taken to the futuristic extreme, they can and will push toilet paper products to you while you are on the toilet, or advertise gym services while you are eating dessert, or maybe even push sex products while you are in bed with your partner. It’s this sort of future that many people are worried about and want to prevent from happening. (And this isn’t even talking about what governments can do with this sort of data collection.)
People want the choice of being able to reveal select information to select people. That’s what privacy is.
Same here. I’ve tried so hard to get people to care about their privacy. But it’s one of those things that human brains are designed to fear things they can see and feel. We aren’t really good at fearing the stuff that creeps up. (aka heart disease, diabetes, privacy creep lol)
I mean, ActivityPub as a whole sucks at privacy.
Show me where activitypub actively tracks how much time you’ve spent looking at content, what content makes you stop scrolling, factors that contribute to you interacting in content, or any demographic information about you, etc.
Privacy is given up on the fediverse when you choose to post such information, (e.g. “I live in Ohio”) not actively harvested as a means to craft ads for your eyeballs and sell to whoever has money.
Your comment is akin to “oh you don’t like eating spoiled yogurt? And yet, you eat bananas… Curious.”
I’m assuming they’re referring to the recent post about how Lemmy stores your upvote/downvote history in databases accessible to all instance owners and not just the owner of the instance your account is on.
I think a big part is people don’t understand the impact of what they are losing. It’s not something tangible like their wallet or car being stolen, it’s just “information” and they don’t understand how that data can be used against them. Even when examples are given, such as the Cambridge Analytica incident, they think they are smart enough to be impervious to the manipulation so it doesn’t matter.
Haven’t we known this for literally decades now? After the Patriot Act passed in 2001 and precisely zero fucks were given by the general population. Then a few short later facebook comes out and I realize oh ok not only do people not care about their privacy, but they’ll freely and gleefully hand it over in exchange for a digital dog park where they can go around sniffing each others butts.
Privacy is complicated and often a luxury. Not everyone has the technical understanding to protect their privacy, nor the money to always choose the privacy-conscious option (which are almost always paid options). And to be honest, they shouldn’t really have to if governments did their jobs and brought in effective privacy protection laws.
First of all most people, not just the average person, simply do not grasp what privacy is exactly - especially in the US, where the view on privacy is skewed by its obsolete constitution.
I mean, just the fact that anyone would think if you personally don’t mind sharing personal affairs or being public, then privacy isn’t much of a concern proves the lack of understanding of that principle. It’s like saying, I’m not religious so neither the lack of freedom of religion or the separation of church and state would have any impact on me.
The most important function of the human right to privacy is not the thwarting of interference with one’s property or dignity, it’s the maintenance of the control and power an individual has over their own self - and by extension that of a people.
A simple example: If I give you my phone number, I give away some control over myself because you now have to power to use that property however it fits you. That may mean to just keep in touch with me, to save the number in your contact list that is accessible to ChatGPT, Tiktok or some malware on your phone, or share it with someone who wants to dig up some dirt on me.
The key point is not whether any of the possibilities affect or matter to you but whether you would have any say in how that information is obtained, handled, kept, etc. The effect of the resulting consequences may appear only gradually and sometimes take years but those in control ultimately shape politics, the economy, culture, society. This is also one of the reasons why the US is run by so many monopolies and oligopolies in their respective market segments.
To be fair, you basically have to give up on your privacy if you want to be a public figure these days. To make it most musicians have to constantly evangelize themselves, which means being omnipresent on social media platforms.
Posting your band’s tour dates on Facebook doesn’t really even change your privacy status that much.
Whether you have a Facebook account or not, Facebook tracks you around the web. Data brokers sell your data. Your cell phone company sells your location and browsing history, etc.
People over-estimate how much not using any given social media app really matters.
Now granted, installing it on your phone gives them a level of data they wouldn’t have from a web browser. That’s probably why Threads is phone-only.
Fair enough. I took efforts a few years back to eliminate all my social media, and started a new reddit (now lemmy) account and made efforts to be more anonymous
I’m sure they collect some info on me, but for me its about not just handing it over.
People DO care about general and online privacy, but to a point. They will sacrifice some privacy if it means they can see their friends on social media. They will sacrifice some privacy in exchange for free apps.
Most of the public is unaware just HOW much they are being tracked and what is happening to their data. Most people are a bit unsettled when the data is shown to them. We need to educate more people.
In my opinion, they do care about privacy from people around them like you and me, they just don’t seem to care when it’s big tech companies like Meta or Google. Like for example, they won’t show you or me their “sensitive photos”, but it’s fully backed up to iCloud or Google Photos, yknow.
They care about visible, or tangible privacy. It’s hard for some to grasp internet privacy and why it matters if “you’re not doing anything wrong.”
But barge into their house at 4am, or open the door while they’re in the bathroom, or listen at the door while they’re having sex, and you’ll get a whole different response.
Ask them about their finances and most people won’t talk about it, but they don’t realize that facebook and google know all about it.
Exactly. It is not that they don’t care about privacy it is just that they trust them because they are the standard, they are big and government is supposed to keep them in check.
People trust the system way too much
it’s also that you can’t see what google is doing with your photos, so no reasonto be too bothered
This is what Zuckerberg keyed in on early internet days. Tech savvy users understand what is at stake, but to the average user, it gets in the way of using apps that people socialize on. It didn’t matter how much preaching I did back in the early days. Eventually people fall in line and do what their friends do.
Nobody cares. I mean, have you seen armature porn? That used to not be a thing on line, once upon a time. Nobody cares anymore apparently, because there’s a sense of anonymity in a large enough group.Everyone has to chose what’s right for them. The reality is Facebook having and selling that data will never impact the average person. But not be part of the family because you are not on Facebook is a real thing that will affect people.
