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Can’t help but notice this person mentioned three extremely regulated industries where the government provides money to help people afford it.
Three industries we’ve decided are “too important to leave to the free market”.
Three industries where the government (a) restricts supply and (b) subsidizes demand, three industries where costs have skyrocketed, three industries where middle men take massive shares and leave nothing to the workers.
Free markets don’t do that, because in free markets there’s competition. If we had a free market, then anyone could take care of old people, take care of children, and teach courses on philosophy and engineering.
But none of those markets are open. The government maintains tight entry barriers that require enormous sums of money and legal effort to overcome.
They’re too important to be left to the free market, so they produce endless misery.
Oh, of course! We should just let whomever open up a child or elder care center wherever they want with whatever conditions. The Invisible Hand will stop any abuse or neglect that occurs. That will solve prices, like how it has worked on uhhhhh… well, it has worked on loss leader technological devices that demand subscriptions to our own property or harvest our personal data. Everything else seems to have undergone “inflation” while companies boast about record profits.
The alternative is our current situation.
You sound just like the democrats when people bring up voting 3rd party. We really are all alike more then we think eh?
No the alternative is proper regulation and strong unions.
In a truly free market, id be able to make you a slave.
Alas… if not for these pesky rules life could be good. For me.
I hear that guy in the van down by the river is willing to do daycare super cheap, if only the government would stay out of his business.
If only parents could make decisions about where to send their kids.
And don’t pretend the government is somehow preventing the mistreatment of children. Kids are still getting molested and fed shit food under the government’s care.
If the government cannot prevent all mistreatment of any child, we should therefore throw our hands in the air and allow daycares with zero regulation.
If only parents could make decisions about where to send their kids.
Are you saying parents don’t have choices over where to send their kids for daycare right now because of regulations? Because that’s not what it looks like to me.
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It’s as if theres some parasitic force siphoning all those dollars somewhere . . . oh right, there is.
Yeah no way to tell who is doing… Nothing we can do about it.
Just consoom🤡
Let me guess, you think it’s the “globalists” running everything by which you mean the Jews? Take your Nazi shit elsewhere.
No … I think they mean obviously the bourgeoisie 1% making all the real money while the rest of us fight over the scraps.
You’re being weird calling this Nazi shit. It just isn’t.
These are bad faith actors being dilatory.
They [DON’T] want anyone fighting that class war… Peasants should [BE] doing culture wars, it keeps profits steady.
As long as everybody consuming the owner class wins!
https://thebrainbin.org/m/[email protected]/t/334009/-/comment/3368796
“Current globalist regime over works people which causes mental problems… If you are not working, you are poor, which causes me tal problems.”
Funnily enough, this was part of their comment just before they jumped in to drop their other anti-semitic dogwhistles.
Questioning the ruling regime’s policy via-a-vis labour is now nazi🤡
What ruling regime is that?
If you read my body of work it speaks for itself ;)
The mods deleted the mask-off stuff below. Guy’s a nazi.
Just because you have reading comprehension of a middle schooler, it does not make somebody a nazi.
I shitpost a lot and my content speak for itself. Learn to read lol
Pathetic…
The level of anti intellectualism among political zealots is the reason why we are here.
Not going to deny it?
Deleted below: he did not deny it. Mods should nuke this whole thread instead of chopping out the explicitly nazi stuff. It just makes this guy look more reasonable.
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That’s a Nazi dogwhistle btw, Lemmy dipshits who hear something vaguely anti-capitalist and upvote.
Sorry, ignore my other comment, I think I see you were referring not to “consoom” but the comment it was replying to, and the “parasitic forces,” which I assume is the dogwhistle you meant and I guess is trying to say to those in the know “iT’s ThE jEwS”
“Consoom” and the clown emoji are all dogwhistles from old reddit nazi groups like clownworld. This guy was also talking about “money changers” elsewhere in the comments which is some ancient protocols of the elders of zion kind of stuff. It’s like he can’t help himself.
Holy shit
Thanks for the info
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Is the dogwhistle the word “consoom”, I take it? Super curious to hear more. I understand dogwhistles but haven’t heard about this one.
But I always got weird feelings from the people on the internet spelling ‘consume’ that way. For instance there’s this guy on YouTube called Luke something who makes videos on Linux and some other open source stuff, but began at some point to seem extremely condescending about everything and misanthropic generally really. Then he had a video that showed a house he bought and at some point you could see his tiny little bookshelf and it was just full of right wing garbage, lol. That and he moved to apparently middle of nowhere because that’s what he decided to spend his sweet doge gainz of what looks like maybe $100k max on, lmao. Super weird vibes. Oh and lots of Pepe the frogs, too, IIRC…
they want the peasant class to remain desperate and buried in debt, so they’re forced to take shitty jobs with shitty pay just to get by
Weird that pro capitalist comments with 10 to 50 upvotes are by default above anti corporation takes with 100-200 upvotes.
default sorting ranks recent posts more highly than highly voted ones.
if you sort by top it sorts by score alone, at the expense of newer comments being buried.
Sorting by top?
This person is soooo close to figuring out that the problem is capitalism. This is capitalism working as intended.
As we all know, you can’t make a critique of capitalism without including “capitalism bad” in your critique.
No sarcasm, that’s actually exactly what we should be doing. So many people, even people who otherwise call themselves conservatives, have opinions that are so close to realizing that everything sucking is the intentional result of concentrating wealth in the hands of a few, and yet when it comes time to vote they believe the bullshit spewed by the owner class and vote against their own interests. It gets tiring pointing out that capitalism is the root of just about every evil that exists today, but if the paid shills don’t get tired of blaming everything on minorities and maliciously mislabeling everything, we shouldn’t get tired either.
Capitalism bad
Similar to Poe’s Law I guess… I couldn’t tell if the post was intentionally making a point, or if the person was just making observations. Given the average level of intelligence that I usually see on the internet, I assumed the latter.
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Crabs in a bucket
Sorry replied to the wrong comment.
Corpos have figured out the things people actually need and are gouging
“Pricing according to market conditions”
Girlfriend works in childcare and I work in elder care. Fuck me double
Damn y’all must bounce from flu to flu every month of the year lol
My immune systems is jacked SpongeBob
Elder care wealth is extracted using service companies as services. E.g. they hire their for-profit cleaning service for astronomical money while their non-profit elderly care facility claims to make no profits. Since the service takes the money and the elder care facility is paying for a known cost (cleaning, supplies, whatever) then they can still claim to be non-profit. The non-profit pays no taxes so they aren’t doubly taxed either.
This is a widely known scheme in the north east, combined with the fact that when it’s inspection time to see staff levels the business owners mysteriously are given a heads up before they show up so they can make sure just enough staff is there. They routinely understaff these facilities because each person there is just another wage to pay.
Bottom line, for profit healthcare is appalling and corruption is everywhere.
This scheme is just an example of how entire economy operates.
How do you know all of this?
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Ah, checks out.
I took a few courses about public policy at my university and met with the groups trying to create change. Did a research paper on this topic even.
The ones in the industry know the secrets and the ones in the government turn a blind eye because lipservice and inspections on paper sound great when you’re trying to get votes from older people. They want to believe that when they need care that the providers will be doing the right thing. Sadly, they are not doing the right thing. There’s so much money in it when you’re charging over $400 per day per patient.
Here’s an article that talks about it.
They use nicer words to make it sound less predatory:
Providers have wide latitude in how they utilize MassHealth and other funds, since there are no limits on self-dealing transactions/contracts and no ceiling on administrative costs.
The growth of for-profit ownership in nursing homes, including significant investment by private equity firms and real estate investment trusts, makes it clear that nursing homes are profitable businesses.
A Boston Globe 2014 study of Massachusetts nursing home finances found that many nursing homes directed cash to subsidiaries “…paying million-dollar rental fees and helping to pay executives’ six-figure salaries…”
If you reach out to the authors of that article, including a former state senator, they’d be glad to talk to you about it. They won’t remember me though, it’s been a while. The things that can be said aloud go way beyond what is written down. No one wants to air their dirty laundry but trust me, the nursing homes are generally given a heads up before inspections take place so nobody gets fined and there are no problems. Unless something changed very, very recently.
Hey there and solidarity from the disability care world. We need a damn union, I heard like 25% of the millenials are in human care positions, so I’m hoping we do something soon, we got the people for it.
I would join an care workers union in a heartbeat
Most definitely… This sort of job is ripe for it.
This union should have a board seat too since can’t trust corporate for anything
Revenue - Costs = ???
(??? is corporate profit, so they maximise fees and minimise salaries)
Capitalism combined with markets with inelastic demand is a lot of fun. But communism bad because tankies or whatever.
Bad because the centralized planning committee is little better than ONE BOARDROOM TO RULE THEM ALL and if you disagree with them they send their secret police to yank a black bag over your head and disappear you in the night. Then you, everyone you associated with, and everyone within three generations related to you spend the rest of your short, brutal, agonizing existences starving and/or freezing to death at a slavery camp in the wilderness.
That sounds more like Authoritarianism…
I think that’s because communism has only really been implemented/taken over by authoritarians, and wasn’t really communism.
Any possibly good people that gain power and pursue communism are couped or destroyed
And a lot like the world the orange shit gibbon wants to spew
Was this written by a child?
Unchecked greed is bad for society, capitalist or communist.
People are the problem. If we could only get rid of the people. /sarcasm
Hey, hey, we’re working on getting rid of the people. Just give environmental destruction a chance to do its thing.
I’m surprised to see such a well rounded, logical view here. Kinda feels rare on this platform these days.
where are college professors living in their cars?
I don’t know, tenure track professors doing research, probably not. But the cost of living here is kind of insane. If we didn’t have a double income, my wife would have to take a pretty substantial downgrade in where she lives. Cost of living is getting out of hand everywhere regardless, and the point still stands I think.
There’s really a two tiered structure to academia that seems to be hidden from most students. Maybe even 3 tiered. There’s the tenure-track research faculty who might teach one class per semester (often less) - they’re still underpaid relative to industry equivalent jobs, but they get their research freedom and low six figures after a few years while bringing in seven figure research grants for the university. Mid-six-figures if they’re upper admin. There’s non-tenure-track adjuncts & academic professionals who teach 3-5 classes per semester, often at multiple universities because no one will give them enough classes to live on, doing the bulk of a university’s teaching, especially at ‘tier 1 research’ universities, and they’re lucky to get median salary. There’s also a set of tenure-track faculty at universities without big research programs who teach 2-3 classes, maybe do a little bit of research or literature review, but probably without any significant extramural funding. They get paid somewhere in between.
They all get called “professor;” they all have PhDs; there’s infighting to keep the faculty as a whole from rising up. I used to tell my students they (or someone on their bahalf) paid about $200 for each of my lectures, and they’re free to skip them if they want, but even in a tiny seminar, 10 students, $2000/hour revenue, the highest paid professors are only getting 5% of that (not accounting for out-of-class effort).
There was an article about a UCLA professor recently.
Community college professor here. I’m lucky enough to be tenured at this point, but when I started teaching, I was making just enough money such that if I had been paying the going rate for rent edit: and health insurance, I would have been losing about $100/month, before taking into account other expenses like food (
or health insuranceor gas or utilities…) (edit: I went back and checked numbers, my memory was a little off). And that was with me teaching 75% at two different schools (so, a total of about 24 units per term when full-time is usually 16 units per term)I was privileged enough to be able to live with family while I pursued a full-time position and extra work, but many are not so lucky.
So, yeah, college professors are drastically underpaid, on par with K-12 teachers
Everywhere unless they’re tenured
It’s a little more complicated than that. I think the factors are:
- part-time adjunct vs full-time
- research vs non
- type of college (prestige, size, focus)
- what you do in summers
- field
So for example you could be a machine learning Research Professor (non-tenure-track) in a first-tier university and bring in a lot of money through grants. Or you could be a tenured teaching professor at a smaller college and not work in summers and make a mid-level income. Or you could be a part-time instructor (e.g., adjunct faculty) in the humanities and make very little.
Typically, the amount of grant money you receive does not affect your salary. It can affect your job security and it can be a factor in earning tenure, but in general, writing more grant proposals=/=higher pay (just more money for research).
Plus, even at R1 schools, tenure-track positions are often starting out with pretty low pay compared to tuition and very low compared what the professor could be making in private industry. According to this study by National Center for Educational Statistics, only about a third of college budgets are spent on instruction, with about another third on support services (counselors, financial aid, tutoring/library services, accessibility services, etc.), with the remainder spent on administration. But that doesn’t look so bad until you realize that at most schools, 50%-75% of the courses are not taught by full-time instructors, but by adjuncts, and adjuncts are often paid at or below the poverty line (about 25k/year in 2020). Even as a tenured instructor with 10 years of salary schedule advancements and a partner with a full-time job in higher education, I’m still living paycheck-to-paycheck.
So, yes, it is more complicated than “all professors are underpaid,” but not by much. It’s really more like “75% of college instructors are near or below poverty level.”
Yeah, I agree that most faculty are underpaid, especially in the humanities. Also, I agree that universities should have more tenure-track Teaching Faculty (whose main job is being good teachers to undergraduates) rather than just having part-time adjuct faculty or research-focused professors who don’t really want to teach.
I didn’t mean to sound like I was defending the status quo. Just that there are a lot of career considerations that I didn’t learn “until it was too late” that I was hoping to communicate to younger generations.
That’s fair, and I think a realistic view of the current situation is definitely beneficial for aspiring academics, especially given the current “academic industrial complex” pumping out PhDs far faster than jobs open up.
Agree with the above, with the exception of summer work which is unrelated to what they make from being professors. If you are a college professor and need to keep a second job to keep the roof over your head, then I think the point stands.
Last time I interviewed I saw a couple jobs that had 9-month academic calendar (fall/winter) obligations, for a given salary. If you wanted to teach summer classes at that college for additional pay you were welcome to, or you could just take those months off. or do consulting, or visiting teaching somewhere else, or get a grant to pay your salary while you did research, etc.
My last post got downvoted so I hope it doesn’t sound like I love the current academic environment. On the contrary I’m jaded. But if you’re just starting out, ask the older people for advice, the more you know the better your chance of survival.
everywhere there are professors.
It’s very common in the US.
https://fox59.com/news/national-world/ucla-professor-says-hes-homeless-due-to-low-pay/amp/
https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/homeless-professor-who-lives-her-car
You do know these are all about the same lady from 7 years ago. Stop living in the past.
oh, you’re like a fake news guy?
seems a bit wildly ignorant in the face of evidence.
2024 is this year, not 7 years ago, by the way.
Oh wow you’re right, lol… 3 links to a story about the same person, Ellen Tara James-Penny.
Everywhere indeed.
In what world or country are professors not making enough to afford somewhere to live? In my country professors make good money despite the fact that tenure doesn’t really exist here. It’s one of the highest ranks you can have in academia above lecturer, senior lecturer, and reader.
Sorry we’ve got a vocabulist here hold on let me talk him down
Nobody is talking about whatever ivory tower caste system you are talking about, to normals “professor” is common parlance for “college teacher” and many campuses around the country still call adjunct “”“”“”““instructors””“”“”“”" adjunct professors
i hope this fulfills the terms of your devil riddle
Yes except lecturers also make bank.
The only people not making good money are the PhD students who also teach. Even then most of us I think get more money than the undergraduates.
Even I as a student get something like £19,000 a year plus £40 per hour teaching rate for any classes I teach.
Either these people are manipulating you or there is something very wrong with academia in your country. Luckily moving countries is quite easy for academics as many Universities will hire foreign staff and there are often immigration laws in place for these kinds of people.
Yeah, I think, uhh, that something is very wrong with our whole country is actually the whole point of the meme?
i told him directly “Nobody is talking about whatever ivory tower caste system you are talking about” and he didn’t listen
edit, clarity: it isn’t normal to be British
I am telling you that even people further down in the hierarchy make good money. Either your academics are lying to you (which wouldn’t suprise me people are fucking greedy) or something has gone very wrong in your country. If we are talking about American it’s probably both of those things.
Oh interesting, your views inconveniently disagree with my experienced reality, which relates to numbers I can immediately look up because I have worked in that industry. I’m sorry about your views for you. A supermajority of teaching at American Higher Ed Institutions is done by people who get paid a couple hundred bucks per course hour, and teaching a 4:3 course-load under those conditions will not yield the numbers you are vaguely gesturing towards.
Go ahead, pick a school and look up their adjunct job offers.
My views are based on data from my own country. If that situation is that bad in Los Estados Unidos then leave. In my country the average lecturer salary is a bit over £40k per year which is above the average UK salary for all age groups. That again is for lecturers which are not the same as professors.
You still haven’t said what their salary actually is, just vaguely talked about hourly rates. Shouldn’t most lectures be full time employees? Are you saying most lectures aren’t full time in your country?
Edit: In the UK we actually have a dedicated visa for people with certain skills and qualifications like your academics. So if you wanted to move here you probably could: https://www.gov.uk/global-talent-researcher-academic
If this is Los Estados Unidos then it’s not surprising something is wrong. I still sincerely doubt what these guys are saying though. I suspect a lot of them either mismanaged their money badly or are just straight up lying. Nobody would work in academia in that country if things were that bad at every University.
The professors in the US aren’t living in their cars because they pay isn’t adequate it’s because of the cost of the huge amount of student debt it takes to become a phd
See this actually makes sense, but it is also entirely their own fault. You should only ever do a PhD if you’re getting paid to do it by being sponsored by a company or from a scholarship fund. That’s how I ended up doing my PhD. The kinds of people taking our loans to become a PhD probably shouldn’t be doing a PhD in the first place. It’s not like an undergraduate degree.
Fuckingcapitalists
Don’t worry because you are free to exploit people as well! Oh, you’re not exploiting, fucking over, and scamming literally every human being you meet? What’s wrong with you. Maybe you’re just not smart enough to screw people over. /$
Wow, that “/$” is art. Congratulations.
/Fully sincere.
