cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/138601
“That son of a bitch, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”
Reads like a bloody Onion article.
I like Joey for a lot of things, but his handling of Israel is not one of them. The words simply don’t match the actions. They might decry Israel’s actions but quietly they’re giving them the go-ahead.
Do I detect a nuanced opinion. You do realize you’re posting on the Internet about American politics right?
Liberals can have a little genocide, as a treat. They’ve lost so much weight since segregation!
Right? Though I’ve often found those statements to be used to imply you can’t vote for the party because it’s a “treat”.
My intended joke was poking at this and it either didn’t come across or really hit a nerve based on the votes.
Joey?
I saw Biden give a press conference about the hurricane, and as he was walking out the door one of the reporters asked about his communication with Netanyahu, and he said over his shoulder “We didn’t talk about the hurricane.”
I do like his sassy one liners.
People liked Trumps sassy one liners too, as much as they didnt want to. And Bush’s. The more brazenly stupid the better.
Nice to know that he at least can acknowledge reality?
But behind it is a state dept that is ignoring it’s own studies rank indictment of isreals murderous actions in order to keep feeding the beast. Maybe it’s some far-flung plan to give isreal and netenyahoo all the rope they need to hang themselves, becoming global outcasts, which would then force them into accepting a two-state solution… Or the problem is a lot simpler.
The records and interviews also show that the pressure to keep the arms pipeline moving also comes from the U.S. military contractors who make the weapons. Lobbyists for those companies have routinely pressed lawmakers and State Department officials behind the scenes to approve shipments both to Israel and other controversial allies in the region, including Saudi Arabia. When one company executive pushed his former subordinate at the department for a valuable sale, the government official reminded him that strategizing over the deal might violate federal lobbying laws, emails show.
Weapons sales are a pillar of American foreign policy in the Middle East. Historically, the U.S. gives more money to Israel for weapons than it does to any other country. Israel spends most of those American tax dollars to buy weapons and equipment made by U.S. arms manufacturers.
Don’t forget, while Biden and his state dept. is in charge of investigating and ensuring the proper use of these weapons, it’s congress that’s approving it. A congress that is balls-deep invested in U.S. weapons manufacturers.
For Israel and NATO allies, if the sale is worth at least $100 million for weapons or $25 million for equipment, Congress also gets final approval.
The most widely held defense contractor stock among senators and representatives is Honeywell, an American company that makes sensors and guiding devices that are being used by the Israeli military in its airstrikes in Gaza. The second most commonly held defense stock by Congress is RTX, formerly known as Raytheon, the company that makes missiles for Israel’s Iron Dome, among other weapons systems. - Sludge Article
A “bad guy!” My word, Mr. President, what next, we’ll stop sending them money? Have some decorum.
And than he sent them billions in bombs?
Then*
And than he sent them billions in bombs?
It saves reporters time to just paste that info about more bomb shipoments to Israel into the “signature” part of the newsstory word processor and have the computer just tack it on at the end of every single story. Increasingly these news stories can write themselves. What a time to be alive.
What speaks louder?
Actions or words?
Fuck Joe Biden and fuck Amerikkka. ✊🏼
I’m surprised biden could call netanyahu anything when his mouth is firmly glued to his ass.
said Biden privately
You literally just gave a fucking press conference.
I don’t know how he would ever have expected anything different from Netanyahu. It’s not like this is the first time he failed to show the “restraint” Biden pleaded for (while simultaneously providing him with an unlimited supply of weapons).
This country is 1,000,000 Onion Articles in a trenchcoat.
In a trenchcoat, naked, flashing children in a schoolyard, yes.
Biden just waking up… He must be one of the only users who only reads reddit’s worldnews and nothing else.
So an interesting thing about the Israeli military, they empower all levels of the command chain to make decisions to complete the mission.
It leads to this interesting situations where top leader can claim complete ignorance and the mission was completed.
Look up the big brain little brain stuff.
Yeah that’s the same way the US military operates to varying degrees.
That’s standard in Western militaries. It means units aren’t paralyzed by unexpected circumstances while they wait for communication to go up and down the chain of command, and it improves resilience if communications or senior officers are incapacitated.
And yet the Nuremberg defense is no defense at the Hague. Go figure.
I’m interested to know what country you come from where this isn’t standard? Do you find that that lack of flexibility is culturally just in the military there or present in your countries government and corporate cultures as well?
It’s been well reported on that Russia doesn’t work like that, with junior officers unable to use initiative and the whole system being very slow to respond to changing events. The reason it operates like this was shown when they did try having a more independent unit, which resulted in the Wagner Group mutinying.
The logical conclusion in the face of Biden’s other actions such as keeping on sending weapons to Netanyahu and protecting him in the UN, is that this “leak” is a purposeful and carefully crafted bit of PR from Biden’s team.
By their own track record, Biden and his minions are about as trustworthy as Netanyahu.
Why does Biden need PR when he’s a lame duck?
Because his abysmal approval ratings bring Harris’s down too. Harris has never been good at formulating any statement of her own principles-- even back when she was running for president against Biden, she had no platform, just bromides that polled well. She’s a cardboard cutout.
Cause his VP isn’t.
His VP can come out and voice her disagreement with his actions, distancing herself from him and those actions.
It’s the simplest solution by far.
Not doing so and instead having the party loyalists go around raging at any who criticize Biden’s complicity in Genocide, is not the simplest solution.
And yet here we are, with the tribalists piling up on any criticism online instead of Kamala Harris simply voicing her disagreement with Biden’s policies.
One wonders why exactly the chosen option is not the simplest and most likely to lead to a Trump defeat.
Lol. All this is performance anyway. If Harris voiced her disagreement with Biden, the right wing media would have a field day with how disorganized the Dems are and how they can’t be trusted to lead.
Living in fear of right wing bullying is not productive. We can either cower or we can kick them in the face or ridicule them when they go low. The dems do far too much cowering the past few decades. Americans love a good snappy comeback, and so far all we have doing it is old coach Waltz.
The “right wing media” (what I would call the far-right media here in Europe) will say pretty anything quite independently of it being true or not. They’ve relentlessly been making shit up about Democrats and will keep on doing so.
The people who believe the “right wing media” are never going to vote for Kamala because they already believe a massive pile of unbelievable bollocks about her.
“The right wing media will say” isn’t quite the powerful argument that you think it is for the future POTUS to keep her association with an unrepentant Genocide enabler and supporter.
I’m explaining their rational for the theater. Not mine.
Biden and his minions are about as trustworthy as Netanyahu.
You’re leveraging ‘about as’ pretty heavily here.
There is no real different between two kind of shameless liars covering up mass murder of children.
One might even say Netanyahu is at times less dishonest (if one could measure “honesty” at such infinitesimal levels) because he’s more open about his murderous intentions.
Biden on the other hand is a full blown hypocrite who claims to want to stop Netanyahu whilst knowingly sending him the very 2000lb bombs used in residential areas in Gaza and Lebanon, a kind which the US Military itself does not use because its collateral damage is too massive.
They’re both sociopaths, it’s just that while Netanyahu is playing a “strong man” character whilst Biden plays the “powerless to act gentleman”, and many in more modern nations don’t recognized the shameless lying under the latter style as easily as they do under the former.
Yes exactly, everyone should stay home instead of voting so Trump wins.
Or rank and file dems should grow the courage of their convictions and organize to stop allowing the dem centrists to take the zionist campaign money. Polls show most Americans dont support The zionists colonization and their associated war crimes.
When did they say that exactly?
They’re trying to discourage progressives which could easily make them stay home and let Trump win.
You assume too much.
I simply have principles and won’t just stand quiet in the face of evildoing, no matter what the excuse.
As I pointed out multiple times before, the simplest thing is for one man, Joe Biden, to change the way he acts, not for millions to close their eyes and swallow their principles (or for thousands of useful idiots to come out and defend his indefensible actions, making themselves accomplices along with him in the mass murder of children).
In 10 or 20 years’ time, when the full form of this Holocaust is known, I will know I was always on the right side and you and those like you will be trying to forget how you tainted your hands with the blood of children, protecting Biden from being forced to not help murder them anymore.
I’ll leave you with a thought: do you think the bombing of residential neighborhoods in Beirut with 2000lb bombs sent from the US (which the US Military refuses to use because the collateral damage is too great) which has killed countless civilians including children, would have happened without the useful idiots and tribalists having spend the last year doggedly defending of Biden allowing him to send ever more and more dangerous weapons to Israel? To you really think the chain of events that has resulted in Israel extending the war to Lebanon would’ve still happened if there was a massive outcry against Joe Biden and the Democrats 6 months ago, well before the election?
Glad to see people with a spine piping up on this website. I’m so fucking tired of the “non voters help Trump win” narrative. It’s so fucking pathetic.
It’s mask-off really quickly when those who are kinder and engage when you flatly state you’re not voting Dem, too.
Youre not alone. I’m voting uncommitted along with many others.
Eh, non-voters in some states could help Trump win, but it’s hardly a universal thing. My bigger issue with this sort of rhetoric is that criticizing absolutely reprehensible policies advanced by the Democrats does not equal endorsing Trump, as many Zionist shills here like to claim. I want to be able to unreservedly back Democratic candidates in the upcoming elections, but “enables and supports genocide and the massacre of civilian men, women and children,” is one hell of a reservation to make your voters have.
Yeah I understand Trump has a better chance of winning if less people vote for Harris. My point is that instead of blaming voters for not wanting to vote for dems people need to blame the dems for not being worth voting for.
I’m afraid it doesn’t take much spine to speak up online, especially since I’m an European and hence with little at stake on the US Presidential race.
(Mind you, I do go beyond words and have a been a member of small Leftwing parties in two of the countries I lived in).
None the less, thanks for the compliment.
You must have been living under a rock for months now if you still think Biden is the one running against Trump.
Further, I wonder what kind of Morals, Ethics and Principles a person must have to think others should stay mute about two-faced hypocrites actively helping the modern Nazis mass-murder children in, not one but TWO countries, lest the electoral chances of that person’s party are weakened.
One wonders just how many Nazi-support layers away from the actually Nazis does it take to stop being a Nazi? Is the Nazi-supporter still a Nazi? How about those who support and defend Nazi-supporters - are they Nazis?
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Zionists are Nazis.
Same propaganda techniques, same violent unrestrained racism, same calous murdering of those of the “wrong” race.
The only difference is that the “superior race” the Zionists claim to represent is a different one, as is the one they deem untermenschen (or specifically in their words “human animals”).
You can literally replace “Israel” for “Germany” and “Jewish People” for “Arian Race” in some of the speeches coming from the Israeli government to end up with something pretty close to some of the Nazi speeches.
If you want to be technical about it, Zionists are ethno-Fascists - which is a rarer and far more racist and violent kind of Fascism than the traditional one - like the Nazis but they’re not specifically the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (so, not actually the NAZI party), just a modern version of it with a different set of races they see as ubermenschen and untermenschen (what the Zionists call “the chosen people” and the “human animals”).
So yeah, a guy like Biden actively supporting these modern Nazis with weapons whilst they commit Genocide is also a Nazi (just like somebody giving the KKK weapons knowing they will be used to kill afro-americans counts as being KKK) and those people doggedly coming out to defend Biden of any and all criticism of his actions in this are tainting themselves with the stink of this modern Nazism (they can hardly claim they’re against the mass murder of children whilst actively protecting one of the key guys in making it possible)
You must have been living under a rock for months now if you still think Biden is the one running against Trump.
Straw man
Further, I wonder what kind of Morals, Ethics and Principles a person must have to think others should stay mute about two-faced hypocrites actively helping the modern Nazis mass-murder children in, not one but TWO countries, lest the electoral chances of that person’s party are weakened.
Low quality analysis and very biased take on what’s going on.
One wonders just how many Nazi-support layers away from the actually Nazis does it take to stop being a Nazi? Is the Nazi-supporter still a Nazi? How about those who support and defend Nazi-supporters - are they Nazis?
Implying I’m a Nazi. Rude and not even original. Not interested in engaging.
I was going to write that I don’t think you’re a Nazi, just giving yourself excuses to act in ways that taint you with their stink.
Then I saw this beauty:
actively helping the modern Nazis mass-murder children in, not one but TWO countries, lest the electoral chances of that person’s party are weakened.
Low quality analysis and very biased take on what’s going on.
Already after the Genocide was well underway Biden sent Israel 2000lb bombs, which the US itself does not use because their collateral damage is too large (they flatten entire housing blocks), which have been used by Israel in both Gaza and in residential areas in Lebanon resulting in horrible numbers of civilian casualties, including many children.
You Sir, have the morals of a Zionist, a modern Nazi.
God Lemmy is ridiculous sometimes
Feel free to head to reddit and not look back. The worldnews mods there will make darn sure you dont have to deal with these troublesome opinions that you dont agree with. Let me hold the door open for you so you can go. Have a good day now.
Rude and not even original. Not interested in engaging.
Agreed fuckingkangaroos@, yeah, genocide is one thing, but anything you claim to be “rude” should not be tolerated. Tell that guy GOOD DAY, SIR. Its hard to believe anyone would act so rudely about some run-of-the-mill mass murder. I bet that guy uses his salad fork to eat his dinner too. You were right to
run awaynot engage.Very cool, thanks so much for your insightful comment
Now say it in public and act accordingly.
Defend Israel, but not Netanyahu’s government.
Does defending Israel include extending equal rights to Palestinians and allowing the right of return for refugees and their descendants? Netanyahu or not, I don’t think an apartheid state should be defended, especially with resources that could instead be used to help with domestic issues in the US.
Yes, absolutely. Israel and Palestine are places where people live and community structures exist. They belong to the people who live there.
I actually believe a 1 state solution will be more stable in the long term. The defacto 2 state solution, with one under occupation will never work. The Palestinian vote should be enough to swing the Israeli government away from the right.
Restitution needs to be part of the process, but not at the cost of established long communities and stable communities. There is no magic wand to “make it back the way it was”. Communities are groups of people, not places. Focus on restoring the networks of people. It won’t be fair, but it might be the best option available.
To hell with divine rights and ancestor speak. Secular freedoms for all, before religious freedoms.
It’s the only way to peace in the region.
As to how to get to that point, I am terribly underqualified, but a Marshall style international intervention like what happened in Germany and Japan after WWII probably holds some value.
Fuck Israel too.
Why defend an ethnostate?
The Jewish people have the right to a home state as facing antisemitism has been a distinct reality of their cultural past. Of course, both Israel and Palestine deserve the right to self govern and their people the right to self determination. The civilized world shouldn’t accept genocide from allies either
Putting aside whether it is right or wrong, having an ethnostate doesn’t make the Jewish people any more safe. The proof is that Jews are safer in America than they are in Israel.
The Jews being safe in the US is sadly not guaranteed in the future, especially with the rise of Nazis here. The existence of Israel isn’t guaranteed either, but the thing that compelled many people to establish it is that Jews at least had some agency in their own safety there.
The Jewish people have the right to a home state as facing antisemitism has been a distinct reality
No. They dont. And stop pretending that the zionists speak for all jews. They do not now and never have. There is no threat to global jewery except from the theiving and murderous actions of the zionists. No one cares about the jews, they do however want 2000 years of zionist criminality and terrorism to stop.
There is no “right” to steal other peoples land and kill them if they wont get off it. There never has been. This round started in 1947 when that “right” you describe was rewarded with land by the UN, to be equitably shared with the current inhabitants. The UNs pity party for the nazi’s crimes is long since over. Take it up with right wingers if you have a problem with the fascists, but dont claim a “right” from the rest of us that doesn’t exist and never has. Your philosophy is simple troglodyte thievery and religious entitlement, nothing more or less.
Balfour was bad, Herzl was bad in 1896.
The Jewish people have the right to a home state as facing antisemitism has been a distinct reality of their cultural past.
No. No one has the right to an ethnostate.
No they fucking don’t.
The Jewish people have the right to a home state as facing antisemitism has been a distinct reality of their cultural past.
Do we all get free stuff based on our great-grandparents’ past, or are past situations nearly a century ago outweighed by the present?
Consider how your answer relates to climate change.
present situation is there’s millions of israelis so they’re not going anywhere, and millions of palestinians and they’re not going anywhere either. two states
cuz I’m opposed to all genocide actually
Because ethnostate is just the excuse people use. Look at the demographics, it’s very multicultural in population.
But it’s leadership sucks donkey balls and there is way too much religion in their society.
Why should anyone defend a colonization effort so badly off the rails and out of touch with basic human dignity? There has never been a reason besides $$$ to defend Israel. If we send Israel our addresses will they spread some of that sweet bribery our way? no?
The fuck was he expecting?
