inb4 he dies of a heart attack immediately after casting his vote
it’s georgia so i’m expecting them to invalidate it somehow and probably after he’s died so that no one can fight it.
No president is perfect. Some are much worse or much better than others. The US would greatly benefit from having more Jimmy Carters as president.
Remember when there was a crisis at a nuclear power plant, and the president rushed to the scene…to help, because he’s a qualified nuclear engineer? I don’t, I wasn’t born yet when that happened.
I wasn’t either. But when I heard the story I wished we would have another president who cared like that.
And was an engineer or someone else who has had a job that actually matters.
Honestly I feel like career politicians are part of the problem. We need people who have done other jobs and have experience outside of political circles. No more actors or reality stars though, I don’t think this country could survive more of those lol.
It’s not all roses and rainbows: Thatcher was a chemical engineer, and the only thing she engineered while in power was the downfall of England as a world power.
Every time I am reminded that she was a chemical engineer, I picture Thatcher as a more-demure-yet-viciously-effective Yzma.
Edit: And Mr. “Too Tall To Be A Bus Driver” John Major as a blond Kronk?! Oh yeah, it’s all coming together.
I’ve already come to view Jimmy Carter as an unappreciated rockstar, and I didn’t even know this story. I just Googled it for those interested. It doesn’t seem like it was when he was president, but still completely badass/downright heroic.
His failure was not including Washington insiders into his cabinet. It’s the lesson that people often forget. The president can’t be a total outsider and expect to be successful.
I could see that being an issue for sure. But I will still say that falls well short of the things some other president’s have done.
My dad always said Jimmy Carter was too good of a man to be a good president.
I vote for this comment
Early voting is voting.
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We might really need an age limit if he’s running again 52 years
If he’s running again in 52 years, then I’ll have serious questions about what I know about the fundamental rules of life on this planet, so maybe he should be president again at that point.
I remember a oneliner from that year, from the TV show Maude:
“Everything is so confusing nowadays. Today I saw a Carter sticker on a Ford, a Ford sticker on a Chevy, and a Dole sticker on a banana.”
It would’ve been funny if immediately after casting his vote he dissolved into a beautiful light
Blue lightning as Sam Beckett leaps away to the next problem he has to fix.
He disappears in a flash of light. In his wake, he leaves an affordable housing complex behind.
Also, a lifetime supply of peanuts to all residents who aren’t allergic 🥜
Reminds me of a picture book I had as a kid, except instead of Jimmy Carter it was a turtle
If he dies in the next month we’re gonna have problems
And if he dies before the election, they will accuse him of voter fraud.
Diane Feinstein and Mitch McConnell both served in Congress well after they died.
Wait, Mitch McConnell is dead?
Look at Mitch McConnell and tell me that’s not a reanimated corpse.
That’s just how 200-year-old tortoises naturally look.
Did he ever live?
wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t even wait that long
I was actually wondering about this, since a close relative of mine probably won’t make it to election day: if you legally cast your ballot (mail in or absentee), but die before Election Day, does your vote still count?
Yea. Not only that, when you hear about “dead people voting”, this is often the explanation.
Also the thousands of people who die on election day, a non-zero number of which voted earlier that day.
The other big chunk is people who have the same or a similar name. Like “It says here David Jones died five years ago, but David Jones voted today. Suspicious?” “Dude, I’m David Jones Jr. The David Jones who died was my dad, David Jones Sr. Dick.” Or whatever.
How many people are named John Smith?
I am a IIIrd, the third person down my male line with the same first, middle, and last name
I’m the 5th with our exact initials, too
One time, while applying for college, I was told I’d already used my GI bill allotment back in '55. Uh… That was grandpa, and he died over 30 years before I was born, how did you mix us up?!?!
(Also, I was never in the military and this was entirely irrelevant to me they just brought it up as something I couldn’t do)
Did you have the same address or something?
I read this as “Lerd”
This guy, what a Lerd.
Same, “I am a Lerd - fear me”
From ermikron-perseii 8?
I would love to know the winners of past elections counting only the votes of dead people.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Harris wins in the demography this time around. The greatest generation knows what it means to defeat fascists. But then again there are probably more boomers and anti vaxers dying these days.
The answer is different in different states. https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/counting-absentee-ballots-after-a-voter-dies
Depends on the state. Looks like Carter is registered in Georgia. According to an article from 2020 when Republicans were bald face lying that long dead people were voting a lot, someone from the Georgia Secretary of State’s office is quoted as saying secrecy rules don’t allow rejecting a ballot when a voter dies before Election Day.
“You can’t go back and get that ballot back out. It’s just physically impossible, given the privacy rules in our state,”. May or may not still be accurate, or may have never been accurate, but that’s what the first article I found when searching says.
That makes a lot of sense, thanks!
I believe that depends on the state the vote was cast in
Depends on the state. Georgia, where Carter lives, is silent on the issue so it should count. Some state explicitly allow counting them, some states explicitly forbid counting. Some states are silent on the issue.
Once the ballot is cast, there’s no way to pull it out. If you could, that would violate the secrecy of the ballot. They would be able to know who anyone voted for.
Ignore me, sounds like he’s probably right
~~I really don’t think this is true, ballots get pulled out all the time if they’re found to be invalid. If there’s an issue with how it’s filled out, like bubbling multiple entries or signature issues, stuff like that, if there’s an issue with their registration or the incredibly rare instances of actual voter fraud, all those ballots get pulled out unless they get corrected.
I guess I can kinda see your point about how if an individual ballot gets challenged and removed, and you see the overall vote count change by one you’d obviously know who that ballot was cast for. But in order for that to happen it would have to be an invalid ballot, so I’m not sure it’s really that important to keep a vote that didn’t count secret. Also in this particular case the person’s dead.
I’m certainly not advocating a law like this be passed, and maybe there’s some federal policy that would prevent it from being enforced, but logistically speaking I don’t see the problem.~~
Afaik in most democracies, ballots are verified as from being legit people, then anonimised , then checked for being valid (not spoilt ballots) then processed to see what they voted for.
During counting you can remove a ballot for being spoilt but not due to its caster being dead.
Interesting, that makes sense. I thought I’d heard about individual ballots being challenged in all the 2020 bs, but I just looked it up and it looks like ballots can only be challenged before they’re counted, which matches with what you just said. So probably what I’d heard is either challenges that came in before that point, or it was republican nonsense that was presumably shot down.
But yeah, verifying -> anonymizing -> counting and they can’t go backwards makes a lot of sense, and that would fundamentally prevent removing dead people. Thanks for explaining
it looks like ballots can only be challenged before they’re counted, which matches with what you just said.
I mean, in the US specifically, and everywhere else, they can be disregarded for not being valid during the counting process, see :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_(paper)#2000_United_States_presidential_election_controversy
or, if you’re more degenerate:
https://balatrogame.fandom.com/wiki/Hanging_Chad_(Joker)
EDIT : thank you for being polite, you’re welcome for my explaination.
Provisional ballots can be held back until a voter’s eligibility is verified but once a ballot is put into the general pool there is no way.
And that’s separate from not being able to count a ballot that was incorrectly filled. Those ballots are not tied to a specific voter.
in the battleground states: likely not because you need sufficient justification for going absentee/mail; something that isn’t common to the other states.
If he died on Nov. 5th, would they invalidate his vote?
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Up until the 1880s pretty much all Americans ballots weren’t private. Some states still technically aren’t private.
America isn’t a true democracy anyway with its Gerrymandering, two party system, and registration to vote.
Voting registration isn’t anti-democratic if it’s very easy, like it is here in Australia. It’s done online (and other methods) and very painless. If you don’t move, you never need to update your registration.
It’s done online (and other methods) and very painless. If you don’t move, you never need to update your registration.
And in actual democracies you’re registered automatically when turning voting age (usually 18) and gets updates automatically when moving. Obviously, when you have a monarch, you’re not living in a true democracy.
Come to think of it, we have a system where we update our details and it updates it across all other government agencies (this is optional), but I don’t think it automatically updates your voting registration.
Room for improvement.
Oh and yeah, fuck the queen.
Edit: yes, the queen specifically for presiding over the sacking of Whitlam
and gets updates automatically when moving.
In any good democracy the government doesn’t know where you moved to until you tell them. Hence the need.
In any good democracy the government doesn’t know where you moved to until you tell them. Hence the need.
They already know then they ask for taxes to be paid. Requirement for voter registration is voter suppression.
Aside from your needlessly hostile response — They can tell if you voted. Your ballot is linked to your name.
“if voted” is different from “voted for”. In a true democracy it must not be traceable who someone voted for. It simply cannot be the case in a proper democracy that the people who voted for the opponent get punished for their vote after transfer of power.
The original question was whether legally they could toss his ballot if he died before Election Day. I think the state probably has the means to locate a ballot.
What a lifetime this man has experienced.
I hate this type of headline. He is still living (hopefully), but you are not sure.
I hate this type of headline. He is still living (hopefully), but you are not sure.
You didn’t even care to click on that link. He cast the vote already.
No, they’re right. Even after reading the article, it just assumes he voted, but there’s no confirmation.
In fact, The Guardian reports that he voted on Wednesday, so he effectively didn’t vote yet when this article was posted.
I thought his goal was peace in Palestine not apartheid, and definitely not genocide.
Hence not voting for the lunatic wannabe despot.
Harris hasn’t come out in disagreement with Biden’s policy over the last year.
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Which is why he didnt vote for the guy Israel named a settlement after
Who does Blinken work for?
the security of Israel must be guaranteed
The title is provocative, but the plan inside is bothsidesism.
And let’s hope he lives to see her elected.
Even better if he sees Trump in prison.
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Not voting is much worse (genocide wise) though
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Congrats Lt. Carter and some of us will be voting next week too.
