Hahaha holy shit
Damn and after all Donald Trump did for him.
Very funny that this KKK leader endorsed the Green Party candidate because she was the only one anti-Israel. Something something horseshoe theory I guess.
Finally. A sensible decision.
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
That is how it is done. Unlike Harris. Who went on a parade with Liz Cheney, and praised Dick Cheney for his work after they endorsed her.
You do know that you need the other party’s voters to jump ship to win the election, right?
You can also appeal to the disaffected Leftists jumping ship, or the non-voters. You don’t need to campaign to the right of your predecessor.
Dems already have the other party’s candidate.
What? That’s never been the case in any election. The parties only get candidates to ~40% or so. And turnout is far more impactful than people crossing party lines.
Even under the (completely unreal) philosophy that turnout is fixed and that every single voter has a default party, that still wouldn’t mean you need the other party’s voters. One of the parties will have >50%.
So why did Jill Stein reject David Duke’s endorsement?
Thank you!!
Why do people even care what a gross white supremacist thinks?
because if a gross white supremacist starts saying/doing things I agree with I need to evaluate if he’s changing or if I’m changing.
This. Actually this. This right here.
There’s an argument to be made about broken clocks, but sometime the answer is simpler than that. “Have I become the asshole?” It’s not fun to run into that, and I have on multiple occasions. You have to be aware of your biases, and check them on occasion in case they’ve drifted while you’re not paying attention.
Nobody is immune to propaganda or above error, particularly those who believe they are
And Putin endorsed Harris. These people know that their endorsement is a vote against that candidate, not for them.
Everyone’s so focused on putting Jill Stein down so that those votes go to Harris. Any ideas on how we can get tiered voting implemented so that third parties are viable choices instead of being the same as not voting at all?
Start local. Where I live we have ranked choice voting for mayor.
If you want a third party, then vote for them for state government or something local. Green is not a serious party because they have no local elected politicians and cannot win the presidency. We’ve already been through this when Ross Perot successfully knocked out Bush in 92, Dole in 96, and Nader knocked out Gore in 2000. You can vote for whoever you want but when you see who’s behind her campaign, it’s clear she’s being promoted in order to hurt Harris.
Except the Putin one was a joke apparently https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/6/russia-backs-kamala-harris-putins-history-of-us-election-endorsements
The KKK one not so much…
Your link does not say it was a joke. It only suggests it was.
And Harris is proud of her Dick Cheney endorsement. Which she worked hard to receive by appeasing the war crime blood lords.
That’s not why dick chose her lol
He clearly stated he chose her because he sees Trump as a dangerous dictator. And Trump is in no way denying that he won’t be.
Trump couldnt even remain stable during his rally without threatening to sue everyone there because his mic cut out, and he told them all he wouldn’t pay (he fucks up constantly though, and people should hold him to the same standard as he holds his contractors)
He’s literally doing dictator shit in front of an audience now
He is no longer hiding it because he thinks the election is already decided
Dude endorses Trump back to back for past two election cycles and suddenly swings as far as he can in the opposite direction? Seems believable /s
Aaaaand there ya go. This is all you need to know about Jill Stein right? Because if Harris is a conservative because of Cheney’s endorsement….
Or are the rules different?
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member.
It’s one thing to be endorsed by an undesirable party, it’s another to accept it or even invite them to campaign with you.
It’s one thing to be the type of person that a racist piece of shit would endorse, and another to be the type of person that a person who hates racist pieces of shit would endorse.
Why do you think a literal Nazi would be honest in his public endorsements and not just doing it for tactical reasons?
Think about it. Trump supporters gonna Trump. This “endorsement” is aimed at harming Steins campaign with moderate and progressive voters, as is evident with the reaction here.
Now the question is, why he wants to do that, as it helps the Harris campaign. What does he think he gains from helping Harris?
Wow. You didn’t even read the article, did you?
Stein’s campaign seems to exists solely to harm the democratic nominee. This is pretty well known by many at this point. She doesn’t denounce Putin’s war crimes, uses Trumps lawyers….
And now, a long-time Trump supporter is backing her, and you’re suggesting that it’s for the strategic purpose of hurting Jill’s chances? She never had a chance to begin with! She only exists to take votes like yours away from the only person capable of beating Trump.
The Olympic-contending mental gymnast required to avoid the obvious here are impressive!
So you claim Steins goal is to siphon votes away from Harris in order to help Trump.
So the target audience of Stein under that premise are center/progressive voters. The target audience clearly is not Trump voters.
So even if Steins goal is solely to siphon votes from the Dems, any vote that goes to her is a “win” for her. And the opposite, any voter deciding to go back to Harris is a “loss” for her.
Him endorsing Stein is clearly aimed at achieving the latter. You said it yourself,
Stein’s campaign exists solely to harm the democratic nominee
So her target audience are solely potential dem voters. And these are alienated by that endorsement, as is also very clear in this thread.
So there is two options:
A - the guy is a total moron
B - he is achieving exactly what he wantsA seems unlikely to me, as nazi leaders are despicable and evil, but smart and scheming.
So you claim Steins goal is to siphon votes away from Harris in order to help Trump.
Yes.
So you agree that the nazi guy is helping Harris by him alienating progressive voters from Stein.
Then you have to conclude that he is just very very dumb, or you have to agree with my statement, that he wants to harm Stein and help Harris. Which brings the important question, what does the nazi guy gain from helping Harris?
As the guy was leading a large organization, him being dumb is unlikely. Him being good at scheming and manipulating on the other hand is very much on brand.
Harris has her own share of problematic endorsements (Cheney, Gonzalez,…). Sure, they’re not explicitly racist, ‘just’ war criminals, but she accepted them and is actually bragging about getting them.
Right. Because Harris needs the support to keep a criminally charged rapist from being a dictator for a day and calling the military against his own people. Having the support of a Republican in this environment is a pretty big deal. That is reaching FAR across the aisle in an almost unheard of show of support- and it sends a message of solidarity against a fascist.
Having a dirt bag irrelevant racist support a sketchy spoiler candidate?
Well, that’s just damn easy to “deny,” isn’t it? I mean… there’s no downside. And it sure looks good to the press to turn him down, doesn’t it? But then again, it doesn’t look good to have him up her ass to begin with…
Why can’t she reach far to the left to get their support instead? If potential Jill Stein voters can lose her the election, she could see what those people care about and reach out to them?
They would’ve probably been fine with a stop on sending offensive weapons while keeping iron dome stocked or something like that.
Instead they’re trying to find the mythical voter that gives a shit about what Dick Cheney thinks.
Because sadly, FAR more people seem to give a shit about what Cheney says than there are those that seem to give a shit about what Stein says. And not only that, but I’d wager that no matter what she does- a large percentage of the far left and socialists probably aren’t going to vote for Harris anyway. Even if Stein endorsed her.
(Remember a guy named Bernie back in 2016? Yeah. A lot of the “Bros” voted for Trump to spite the DNC)
Their minds are made up and are locked in every bit as tight as their folded arms are.
And I’d wager that she is ACUTELY aware of this. Between her, and all of her advisers- do you think there is no one that understands what she must do to get the votes she needs? Do you seriously think she hasn’t thought of courting the far left vote? She’s not an idiot.
She knows the far left exists.
And she knows many of them have a track record of not showing up regardless. Over 100,000,000 people didn’t vote in 2016. And we got trump- with warning signs of what he would do.
We don’t have warning signs now. We know EXACTLY what he will do, and the far left are all holding their vote hostage over shit many of them didn’t even care about a year ago.
So I’m sorry, but their demands are going to fall on willfully deaf ears. The far left vote is not something Harris is going to risk losing an election over. And historically, candidates that lean too far left…
Lose.
And now, at this point, I’m going to say that we’re far too late in the game for me to care about how you feel about this. This is what it is. This is where we are. You can help us keep America breathing by voting for the one person that has a chance to win, or you can pull the plug because of a single-issue that most of you don’t even really understand.
Either way. Someone is getting elected. Whether you like it or not- with or without your help.
So if you think you can win without trying to court their votes, why the vitriol?
Also: https://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/election_scorecard/2007/10/sour_grapes.html 20% of Clinton supporters ended up voting for McCain, the number for Sanders voters is 10%. Sanders did everything to make sure Clinton won, and he still got blamed for her terrible campaign losing.
bragging about getting them.
What a disgusting and willful disingenuous pile of horse shit.
I don’t need to watch anything to know that what you’re implying isn’t reality
It’s literally a video by a pro-Democrat channel of Harris promoting the endorsements.
The rules are the same. They’re both trash.
Cornel West 2024. Zero endorsements from republicans and other white supremacists.
To counter your little edit there:
No endorsements, eh?
Hey look everyone!
It’s yet another “third party candidate supporter” that seemingly never says anything at all to ever support their candidate aside from just trashing Harris and Harris alone.
Trump who? Amirite?
Jill rejected the endorsement, unlike Harris
Source on Harris accepting a David duke endorsement? Else willful misinformation/trolling
Edit though it can be confused because the article is about duke, this thread is not, and my assumption of commie’s correlation was wrong.
You should read the comment chain before making non sequitur requests. It was literally two comments long. You couldn’t help but have read it before getting here.
You have no idea how little I can read.
I shall edit
I was judgmental for the original comment seeming to be in bad faith, but have an upvote, that was a damn funny response.
You know what? I respect your edit and you admitting what happened. Rare on Lemmy these days. Have my upvote, friend. :)
Whatever you say…. Commie.
I was about to say that that isnt really much of an insult these days, given that its not really much different from insulting a republican by calling them “conservative” in some shortened manner and the cold war ended awhile go, but then I saw the username of the person you were replying to.
I use a lowercase c because I’m anticapitalist
And you’re brave for admitting that here on Lemmy. I respect your balls, friend!
Yep, funny how may people are overlooking that!
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Please don’t summon them.
They’re just at their Latter Day Satanic Trump rally. Give em time
Fucking. LOL.
Yeah I mean what else is there to say. Damn.
No more burnin no more hangin. From now on we will compost the bodies. #GreenHoods
How long until she drops out now? Jr dropped out soon after Rogan endorsed him.
Do you really think she’ll drop out with only 3 weeks to go?! Ain’t gonna happen, friend.
She won’t. She’s a Dem spoiler. That’s her purpose. RFK was supposed to be that, too, but he wasn’t pulling enough Dems and was pulling too many Rs. So, he dropped and they tried to pull back those Rs with an endorsement.
If you think this reflects badly on stein ask yourself 2 questions, did he endorse her because she’s also a white supremacist? Did she accept the endorsement?
The answer to the first is probably no since stein is a Jewish women so I don’t think she’d get along well with all the other white supremacists who think she’s sub-human. The reason he endorsed her was because she’s the only one who would end the war in Gaza and fight the “Jewish lobby”. If your a Zionist and believe that any action against Israel is anti-Semitic then yeah stein and Duke are the same. If you live outside that delusional world then you’d recognize dukes dislike for Israel and steins, (and most of the worlds) dislike for Israel come from two completely different values systems and world views.
The answer to the second is easier, No, her campaign rejected it and called him trash as soon as they heard about it.
So does this actually reflect badly on stein, or is this just the ravings of an insane person who’s trying to elect a Jewish woman to take out his imagined grand Jewish conspiracy? Critique stein if you want but this is nothing.
They share the same goal so it’s not a coincidence he’d endorse her.
What exactly is the goal you think they share and how does his endorsement advance that goal?
Seems like a fair question on such a vague statement. Like climate goals? Israel? Snack cakes?
He left it up to readers to self insert to not have to make a statement that can be fact checked. It’s cheap conversation.
For real. If David Duke endorsed Harris, democrats would be crowing about it and saying they’ll take all the help they can get (see all the recent neocon ghoul endorsements).
What a load of bullshit.
At least David Duke wasn’t responsible for multiple imperial invasions.
I’m not defending Dick Cheney.
But you can’t try to argue that the Holocaust denying former grand wizard of the KKK wouldn’t do that if he was given the chance.
Not yet, but you can still have hope
Yep!
lololol sure.
Absolute bullshit
People weren’t welcoming Dick Cheney’s endorsement of Harris?
nope and you know that. they clearly said even these monsters think Trump is worse than their ideological opposite.
I saw quite a lot of “hey we’ll take whatever help we can get”.
Right. Meaning if this wins over a few old school republicans, cool. Zero democrats like or welcome the ideologies of people like Cheney. Which everyone here knows.
Right. Which is the same as what I suspect you’d say if it was David Duke endorsing Harris too.
Are you suggesting that Cheney and Duke are equivalent?
No, Duke is a huge piece of shit, but Cheney has done immeasurably more harm to the world.
Edit: Ah, I forgot that to liberals, it is a greater sin to be an (uncouth) racist, than it is to be the architect for the deaths of a million people.
If one has more power, they are likely to do more harm in the world, regardless of how shitty they are of a human being. While I have no love affair with Cheney, he is not the absolutely piece of human garbage that Duke is.
You think that people here are defending Cheney, but really it’s you defending Duke.
What the fuck? Duke is a piece of shit absolutely, but Cheney has done real fucking harm to the world that you can measure in dead children. Cheney is worse by far.
sHiTlIbS you mean?
Self identify however you want.
🤡
A self portrait of the poster.
I generally agree with you, but it does make her eat some of her own words as pointed out elsewhere in this comment section:
Stein stans refusing to engage with this screencap while also arguing that it’s okay because Stein disavowed Duke’s endorsement:
Thank you for bringing logic to this thread!
You mean the guy former NFL quarterback David Duke Carr was probably named after?
He is not just any wizard. He is grand.
And we all know Lemmy likes wizards.
I put on my robe and wizard hat.
I see a bloodninja reference, I upvote. 🤷
His hat is whack
The grandest
Best endorsement dems could hope for, really.
