I really do feel like I’m taking crazy pills with libs this election. The last two they at least had a bloodless rationale to the “lesser of two evils” rhetoric.
But this is genocide, the canonical Worst Thing You Can DO! I know many just believe that it’s not a genocide at all because Palestinian civilians are all Hamas and just subhuman or that the videos published by official IOF channels are all deepfaked by the hungry ghost of Nasrallah. But then just FUCKING SAY IT and then we can call you a genocide denier and we’ll know where we stand!
What I can’t get is that many do seem to agree it’s a genocide and Kamala is complicit. But then they lesser evil by going “Well if we don’t vote then Trump will do bad things to trans people here.”
Like Fuck You! You scheming, gaslighting bloody handed monster!
Either this is just a disingenuous argument to get your team in power or to maintain liberal civility politics, in which case double Fuck You that you think people are abstract political tools.
Or, you actually believe this, and the freedom of an LGBT person here outweighs the lives of 2 million people, many LGBT, who happen to have had the extreme misfortune to be born 5 cm over the border and thus outside your ability to feel empathy.
In which case Triple Fuck You, because you are, somehow, more of a fascist than Trump. At least Trump is too incoherent to make a complete argument for fascist policy!
I’m going mad, I really am. How can people be streamed genocide live on CNN and just say “well, I guess we’re ok with genocide now!” Is the US public even human?! Even the fucking Germans had the good sense to pretend to look guilty after they lost.
Personally I really like the whole: Republicans are the ‘Big Bad‘ that will destroy the country, end reproductive rights, start a war on LGBTQ+, end democracy, be the second coming of hitler etc…. And also we’re going to reach across the isle and have a republican in our government too. It’s like wtf? Are these guys bad? Or do you want to work with them? Which is it? I know that once we drop the keyfabe they’re all the same, perusing the same material and class interests, but their outward messaging is so incoherent. No wonder it doesn’t exactly resonate.
Not even the “we’re gonna reach across the aisle” but just, why aren’t they doing anything then? If democracy is truly really actually one election away, why have they done nothing to prepare for four years? If the republicans truly are so despicable, why have they let them become the only other viable party? Why are they doing nothing to crack down on these alleged anti-democracy fascists? If the republicans are doing all this shit, then that’s treason. Treat it like it. If they actually cared, they would’ve. If they actually gave a shit they would have cracked down on all the illegal shit republicans are doing, but they aren’t because they don’t care (and because they do it themselves.)
Like if I thought they actually believed and cared that Trump would tear the US apart and end democracy, I’d be furious. Last election was won by a hair and they’ve done nothing to prepare since then. They talk about how republicans are infiltrating their beloved checks and balances… WHY AREN’T YOU STOPPING THEM THEN? WHY ARE YOU LETTING IT HAPPEN? WHY AREN’T YOU PUTTING IN MORE CHECKS AND BALANCES?
It’s maddening to see obvious doublethink like that.Then they’ll say something like “oh we don’t have the power to do that, the president isn’t actually that powerful. Joe Biden can’t stop Trump like that.” THEN TRUMP CAN’T EITHER. “Oh well sure he can, because he won’t respect the institutions.” THEN DON’T RESPECT THE INSTITUTIONS. IF THEY CAN BE IGNORED THEY’RE NOT INSTITUTIONS, THEY’RE JUST DECORATIONS, FUCK THE AESTHETICS IF DEMOCRACY IS TRULY AT STAKE.
“Best we can do is palsied hand wringing.”
The thing I don’t see people saying enough is that there will be elections after Trump, and a vote for third parties that allows Trump to win is much less damaging in the long term than a vote that enables the rightward slide of the Democrats.
The biggest argument against this is that they think there won’t be elections after Trump.
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Which is funny considering the amount of tampering the democrats have done with their own primaries. “We’ll save democracy!” they say as they do everything they can to fuck over the candidate with popular support
God I wish
I am seeing an awful lot of that. The actual impracticality of the mechanics of installing a forever dictator with germanic cosplay features in the us and the greater likelihood of tacit approval of non state actors enforcing small scale actions in a local context are lost on them because their minds are warped by cartoons and comic book movies and great man theory.
Best response (if you have the energy) is to ask why they’re admitting that they’d throw away their principles and just accept fascism forever because of an election (even though you know why and they basically already do). Ask why they’re admitting they’d do nothing materially to fight back against fascism or protect the marginalized people they say they care so much about and let a demographic minority, especially in bluer areas, just go ham on everyone. It’s not likely to change many minds but it will remind them that they’re cowards with no real principles or goals besides protecting their status quo.
Excellent. Thanks
Since they’re all dogs of the American Civil Religion calmly accepting magaFascism because Trump was legally elected and the SCOTUS rubber stamped it is in accordance with their principles.
ya i guess you could call it their one actual principle, same song different note
Which is exactly what they said last time. And then he gir elected. And then there were elections 4 years later and he got voted out.
And then actually successful election thieves endorsed Harris
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Ngl this is par for the course.
Americans literally cannot fathom shit that they cannot see directly in front of them. They know it’s happening but ehhhhh it’s somewhere else who cares. Nobody cares. Libs who say they care, but are still frothing to defeat orange guy say that they care, but they do not care. Americans didn’t give a fuck about Iraq either.
I don’t honestly see a “shift” or a “change” or anything different this election. Other than maybe democrats being actually a little more openly right wing with specific policies. Other than that this is just business as usual.
If I’m being real I don’t even factor Palestine into either candidate, as they are both going to be genocidal freaks, and even if Palestine wasn’t currently being eliminated, I wouldn’t vote for these ghouls anyway. Domestically there’s a couple differences. Foreign policy wise literally every politician in this trash country is
Americans literally cannot fathom shit that they cannot see directly in front of them.
One day missles will rain down on new york and the majority of the world wont shed a single tear
But the media will still convince all the US libs that the Arabs are attacking us because they hate our freedoms and not because of anything we might’ve done that could compel an oppressed population to fight back
“I voted blue, I am absolved of all guilt and can continue consuming corporate screen content for 16 hours a day.”
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.
It’s pure cynicism.
They believe the genocide is unstoppable and inevitable, so they write it off as an issue entirely. I’ve literally been told “genocide is not on the ballot” on multiple occasions. Because of the structural issues with US elections we can’t stop the genocide by voting PSL, or Green, or staying home. In their minds they don’t see the point of not voting for the lesser of two genicidiers.
Genocide is on the ballot, most of the ballot is genocide! It is a ballot dripping in blood! GRaarggh!
Literally yes, but genocide is “not on the ballot” in the same way that a vote for anyone other than Harris is a vote for Trump.
They’ve got their whole cynical calculus worked out and think they’re just making a hard choice for the greater good. 🙄
I hate this country lol
Appeal to futility type beat
My response to people who say “if we don’t vote for Kamala then X will happen to Y here at home…” has just been “Why can’t she do both?” If they continue after that then I just say “If the price for my rights is thousands of dead Palestinians, I refuse to bargain with the devil.”
At which point they’re all “Well if you want to virtue signal from your moral high horse go ahead, meanwhile I am doing the realistic, practical calculation of a truly gigantic political mind! you see, if 9 incredibly improbable legislative reforms are passed, then we can roll back 50% of this genocide in a mere 12 terms!”
Yes, Yes I am on the moral fucking high horse of “No genocide” why the fuck aren’t you this is a horse everyone who isn’t so evil you can’t use their first name to name children anymore should have!
this is my “basic level humanity horse” actually my moral high horse was killed by Elizabeth Warren
Hillary worked my moral high horse to death on the farms of the Arkansas Governor’s mansion; I had to steal this one from a lib who wasn’t using it.
Mask of the Bourgoisie slips “Hey you better put that back on it was only supposed to slip for a moment”
Inhuman Bourgosie throws mask in gasoline, lights it on fire, does little inhuman dance
The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don’t really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child’s toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn’t change – not even incremental change. It is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
If anyone throws the word “practical” at you, it’s easy to throw it back at them. I want genocide to end, therefor it’s not pragmatic to vote for the genocide party.
Ah, but you see if the dems are in power for a mere 30 years then we can implement RCV because dems in congress definitely want to undercut their own power and then we can vote in a third party and the dead Palestinians will magically spring back to life.
No. Most people pay attention to politics for (maybe) 3 months every four years, then pick their favorite flavor candidate.
Ever met a “centrist” who deliberately votes for one party’s downticket but another party’s presidential candidate for “balance?” Many such cases.
It’s called Amerikkka brain.
But then they lesser evil by going “Well if we don’t vote then Trump will do bad things to trans people here.”
I saw that video this morning of her refusing to say anything in defense of us. They don’t even have this bullshit any more!
video this morning of her refusing to say anything in defense of us
What video?
^ I wanna see this too
Found it again
https://fxtwitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/1848865896967901410
Nvm I found it, just look up the NBC interview she did with Hallie Jackson. Jackson asked her if she supports gender affirming care for transgender people, and her response was “I think we should follow the law” and “I’m not a doctor” lmao
Not really, when you realize most Americans have dogshit political opinions.
The mental gymnastics are relatively simple, it’s:
- It’s not genocide
- If it is, it’s by accident
- If it’s not, they deserved it
- Trump is literally hitler I’m shaking and pissing this is the most important election of our lives
Most people don’t even reach step 1 because they’re American and completely subconsciously dismiss the idea that foreign people exist or matter at all.
huh? do you think trump wouldn’t also do the same genicidal policies or worse?
that’s the only way your argument makes any sense.
if the 2 options have the same genocidal policy in palestine, voting for kamala because her other policies are better than trump still makes her the lesser of two evils.
anyway I voted for PSL and you should too.
I had some success asking someone how Trump would be different for Palestinians. They said that he’d bomb them more. I replied with then current pictures of gaza and asked how more bombs would actually be different. To his credit, he seemed to get my point
you can always kill more people in one day than you do now if you are in charge of the US empire.
The key issue of lesser evilism is it doesn’t work because it necessitates 100% honesty and competence from all parties involved. Her policies are better in theory only and Dems have a terrible record of actualy fighting and delivering on their “better” policies. Likewise some of the worst fears about the Trump admin are outright fantastical, some are already being done by Biden, and some didn’t happen despite what they claimed the first time.
biden’s policies domestically were better than trumps. and he pulled the troops out of afghanistan.
The argument is that if both parties can win while supporting genocide then the government will always do so where in the theoretical world where Dems lose by supporting genocide there might be administrations opposed to it. You do have to be willing to consider a future elections for the train of thought.
What’s worse than genocide?
2 genocides.
Honestly I’m not sure I’m even really processing how Libs are behaving right now. Like I’m pretty sure I’m in some kind of denial after the Libs derailed the uprising in '20 and killed MeToo, Abolish the Police, minimum wage, and public healthcare, plus they ended all attempts to even slow Covid down, and now they’re proudly, openly committing genocide in front of the whole world.
It’s too much. It’s Fascism with bottomless mimosas.
I watched this tik tok that hit the top page of reddit where it was a lib making fun of leftists not voting for genocide and they jerked themselves off over making the point that “uh yeah honey, there will be a genocide whether trump or Kamala wins but Kamala will be better for your real financial situation”
Yeah they’re built different lmfao their brains are room temp potato soup
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It’s also very funny (not actually) because what is Harris going to do for LGBTQ people? Not that her or any Democrat’s symbolic rhetoric mean anything but have the words “transgender” even come out of her mouth this campaign?
Zero states had banned gender affirming care when Trump was president. Under Biden, more than 20 have. He has done absolutely nothing for the people in those states.
I’m surprised Harris didn’t run on “we let you ban gender-affirming care! See, us dems aren’t so scary after all and totally in-touch with the working class and their priorities!”
Same with abortion access: Harris isn’t going to bring back Roe. It’s gone for good
Wdym? Harris said she’d “proudly sign it into law” if congress passed a law protecting abortion, as you can see democrats are clearly fighting tooth and nail for women’s reproductive rights!
Not to mention, Biden presided over the overturning of Roe v Wade and did absolutely nothing about it. The only thing Harris said she’d do about it is “sign a law if congress passes one” oh boy!
nah they cut all of the actually good empty promises from the platform this year and replaced them with tough border measures and warmongering so that 17 republicans in suburban georgia would think about voting for Harris before deciding to go with trump
the same thing biden did with the respective for marriage act: nothing but political capital for themselves.
No literally it’s going to be “Not actively take away trans healthcare” so it’s a hostage situation.
I’ll be honest as a trans woman I’m pretty nervous for Republicans to take power, as a self interested person. Dems clearly won’t do anything to help though and if the supreme court makes some ruling they won’t fight it.
fwiw: it’ll be like living in the decades between reagan and bush (1980-2008) and this community still thrived enough to change popular sentiment about lgbt issues; despite the efforts of democrats like clinton & biden during that time.
i was most active during those decades and every win, no matter how small, was deeply re-affirming and helped a lot in keeping us going.
i hope that, in the future, the definition of an ally narrows to exclude anyone who thinks that democrats are automatically allies so that they can’t keep trotting us out like a show horse to prove how progressive democrats think they are.
I’m sorry this is the world we live in comrade :(
HumanityAmerica is a cancer. People don’t care. Kinda hope the next COVID kills them all and we can start over.
Death to America
Death to America and death to Israel
Yeah we don’t do “humans are the real virus” misanthropy/ecofascism on Hexbear. People are capable of good. It took Capitalism building this truly horrific machine of evil to break humans in to this horrific shape.
I should be more specific. Americans are a cancer on this planet. They don’t learn, they don’t WANT to learn, and I’ve lived around them for enough to know they take glee in hurting other people.
I was in the room when the non-discrimination ordinance FAILED and these assholes CHEERED as if they won a championship. These people hate me for simply being born the way I am.
You can call me misanthropic, and that’s probably true. Capitalism made me this way. The modern Democratic Party made me this way. My life experiences with other people make me come to this conclusion. You can call me wrong all you want but you can’t take away my authentic self. If I have to get banned from here so be it. It’s just another website.
I used to care DEEPLY about people. It’s taken a long time for me to get to this point, and I’m sorry I gave up but I am out of hope. No spoons left. I’m so tired.
I can tell you about the years it took to get here: from being young and naive volunteering for Obama to being a local Dem to working on campaigns, getting into the local Green Party, that going nowhere, trying to build a campaign tool, went nowhere, trying to improve public transit near me, no one even taking the flyer to do the survey to help advocate for them with the city, I was the wrong race for that. Trying and reading and failing and moving more and more left as I gained more understanding but also more and more depressed as I saw how worthless everything I did was. We did brake light clinics that no one came to. We grew a community garden that only we ate out of. I’m feeling useless.
And the only job I can keep right now is a campaign job for a fucking Fascist. My soul has a price because I need food to keep the rest of me alive.
I will tell you this: I need a place to vent and let loose. If I don’t get it I’m, afraid I will bottle it up and it will explode in a way that gets me jailed or killed. I know it’s hard to care because to you I’m just another name on a website. I assure you there’s a real human on the other side that is struggling to keep it together.
I know I’m not the perfect Leftist. I’m far from it. I promise I’m learning but I’m not going to be the perfect little revolutionary like the Maoists or the Russians in 1917 or whatever. I’m a broken human. I know that.
Just remember you can’t build a revolution by expecting everyone to “have the correct line” all the time or whatever. That’s how you get a reading group of 5 people in a city of 5 million and you wonder why your org can’t grow. Perfection is the enemy of progress. Take me as I am or leave me. There’s many more like me, especially in America where we’ve been broken and ground into the dirt.
