I’m going to buy my first new TV in years. Even if it’s a ‘smart’ tv we plan to just use our Roku. I’ve heard that some TVs require you to connect it to the internet before you can even use a Roku device. For privacy reasons I don’t want my TV to EVER have access to my wifi. Is anyone aware of how to know what models/brands of TVs allow me to use it without ever connecting the TV itself to wifi?
If necessary I guess I could connect it to my guest network to ‘activate’ the TV, set up the Roku to connect to my private network, then change the password to the guest network.
Would rather just have a TV that doesn’t even ‘phone home’ once.
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I just moved and wound up getting an LG C4 65", put off getting internet service, TV worked fine
There was an article going around that explained how to disable internet connections on various smart TVs. I wish I could find it.
For TVs with Roku built in, the solution was simply to select the option for no internet connection during initial setup. If you’ve already set up your TV, you go to settings and reset it like you’re getting ready to sell the device. That puts you back to initial setup where you can skip the network connection option.
What you can’t do on the Roku tv is tell it you have internet, but then try to use some sort of firewall or network connection to block it from phoning home. The front light on the tv will blink, and when you turn the tv on it will complain that it can’t connect. You have to choose no internet on initial setup if you want it to act like a “dumb” tv.
There was an article going around
I’m surprised there’s no wiki on it: TVs, projectors, monitors…
I have two Vizio panels, a 2017 and a 2023. Neither are connected to my network. The 2017 got a couple of firmware updates via wired connection in the first year but I nixed that after an update nearly bricked it. The 2023 will turn itself back on for a few seconds occasionally (just the electronics, not the panel)… possibly looking for an open network but I have no way to verify. Neither complain about a lack of connection unless I accidentally select their streaming input.
The last time I activated a TV was in 2022. It was a Sony X85K and it didn’t require a connection. I’ve subsequently only used it with a CCwGTV.
Before that I activated a Samsung U…7300 or something like that in 2020. That didn’t require connection either. I also used it with a CCwGTV.
For privacy reasons I don’t want my TV to EVER have access to my wifi.
I think the same.
But if you can’t avoid it and it is only 1 time, there’s a workaround:
Use your phone.
Switch on the mobile hotspot.
Rename the hotspot Wifi-name, and it’s password.Then set up your TV with this temp Wifi.
Then rename things back on your phone.
In addition, you can force your cellphone to GSM/2G (ie: super slow internet).
Depending on what your TV does when it “activates”, if it just needs to “activate/register” - it should be fine. If it needs to “update/upgrade/add a bunch of crapware” - Your internet will be so slow, you can turn it off before it’s finished (note: there is a slim chance that, this could also put your TV in a broken state - if it does, simply do a factory reset and try again)
Easy; Don’t buy a TV with Roku. Dumber smart TVs are still a hassle, but I haven’t heard of one that requires activation (yet).
Anecdotally, my Samsung projector wanted me to connect it to the WiFi. I told it to fuck off and connected a Shield to it (probably going to replace it with a beelink soon). It has a large green banner across the top when I go for the menu, but I almost never do that.
My friend got the same projector, set everything up, and the fucker displays ads. Seriously, what the fuck. I’ll take the green bar.
I haven’t gotten my shit together and researched specific models yet, but I’ve been looking into this a bit myself, and from what I’ve read, Sceptre appears to be one of the better brands for completely dumb TVs these days.
Can definitely vouch for Sceptre. Have a computer monitor from them and a TV as well. Absolutely love them both. My concern is actually tracking down Sceptre anything though. They’re constantly out of stock on their website
Most recommendations I get for TV’s like this are to buy a display meant for digital signage or conference rooms. They’re usually a little more expensive but also made to last. They’re also mostly just dumb monitors.
I haven’t gone that route yet, but it’s on my roadmap. My current “TV"s are just a projector connected to my HTPC and a 32” PC monitor in a similar configuration upstairs.
I’ve heard this and while they are sturdier they generally also have worse panels from an image quality standpoint. If you’re buying a $400 60” lcd tv it probably won’t be all that different but if you’re looking for an oled level tv these panels will be noticeably worse in comparison
Another alternative is projectors. Can be impractical in many scenarios but often come with a pretty barebones OS, especially if you get a proper one and not one of the goofy portable ones they sell for $100
My solution for this is if you absolutely cannot bypass the connect Network to set up function, set up a hotspot on your phone. Let it download it’s you know what 150 MB update and then turn off your Wi-Fi hotspot
You could take it a step further and set a temporary network name & password for the hotspot, and then change it back afterwards
that way you can use your hotspot near your TV in the future without worry
Bought a Panasonic with Android TV about a year or two ago, and used it for a while solely as a screen for my Kodi box, no internet connection. Worked perfectly. The TV’s image quality leaves something to be desired (especially backlight uniformity), though.
I’ve seen Sceptre recommended whenever this question pops up. https://www.sceptre.com/
I’ve also had a lot of fun using a projector in the living room as a display (with blackout curtains on the windows) but it may require some care to make the bulb last longer. And it was a bit annoying trying to figure out how to get audio and video working for consoles/laptops. I think you might need some kind of HDMI splitter and speakers to get audio and video working properly?
Another useful search term is “Display” or “Commercial Display” instead of “TV”
These “Displays” will be TV’s without any of the bloatware and spyware, but may be missing features like refresh rates, picture quality, etc.
For example here: https://www.lg.com/us/business/commercial-displays
but it may require some care to make the bulb last longer.
LED projectors are a thing now1, much smaller and last longer.
1 The Pre-loaded key streaming applications. bit kinda worries me.
Recently bought a cheap set from spectre for $150. Forgot to check the res, and it only does 1080, but then again 90% of what I do with that TV is play Switch anyhow. I have a nicer ultra wide on my desk for everything else.
The TV itself works well. The first time set up is the optional search for digital OTA TV channels, and the only “smart” feature is that you can plug in a flash drive with MP3/FLACs and use it as a music player for some reason, would’ve been cool if it played mp4s too. Then again, that’s what the HDMI in is for.
The menu/feature set feels very 2009 and I love it for that. Luckily the picture, bezel, and price don’t.
What the hell sort of TV are you looking at that requires an online connection to use it as a simple display device?
That’s a serious question. I want to avoid whatever brand you’re talking about like the plague.
Unfortunately i think its becoming more a thing, so you have to be careful of future updates as some companies are realising they can put ads on your menu screen now
Most brands make it seem impossible to setup without connecting. I got a free TCL/Roku and it was such a massive headache to avoid connecting that I connected it. I just skip the ARC HDMI and pretend it’s just as good since I don’t use the built in apps. ARC ports read your content to “better serve you content” (ads)
Roku is horrible. I bought a Roku Soundbar (speakers) for my TV and for reasons unknown, I had to (temporarily) hook it up to the internet to “activate” and download the firmware.
It’s such a horrible glimpse of the consumers future.
I thought LG and Sony and a few of the other big players still had the self respect to sell TVs that can just be… you know… TVs
LG C series OLEDs are a pain. If you connect them to wifi, they’ll give you Apple TV and other “promotions” as pop up notifications at random times.
These TVs also have Bluetooth which cannot be turned off and any device can try to connect to it, giving you a non intrusive pop up of 20% of your screen area.
And their customer support is absolute garbage. In my area, you’ll have to call them a few times before anyone picks up, then there is a 50% chance that the clerk doesn’t speak English nor your local language. Sometimes you’ll give up on calling them, as no one responds. You’ll be happy to know that they will call you back in about a month.
These TVs also have Bluetooth
It’s really nifty to wardrive those and play Tool at max.
Luckily it doesn’t auto connect, otherwise I would have sent it back
You can fix the always-on BT wirh a screwdriver, can’t you?
I mounted it on a wall before I found it out. Neighbors haven’t bothered to connect to it once, so I haven’t risked accidentally breaking it during dismount. It is scary enough to adjust it on it’s mount, considering that most of it is a thin and fragile oled panel.
I hope most of these have discrete hardware, but i won’t disregard SoCs…
Or BT controller soldered onto mobo
All of them, katie
Not answering your question, but avoid Roku like the plague
Some food for thought. Vizio made more money selling ads and the data from their customers than selling the actual TVs.
With TVs you are paying to be the product.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/10/22773073/vizio-acr-advertising-inscape-data-privacy-q3-2021
Walmart is in the process of acquiring Vizio for the express purpose of using TV’s to serve advertisements.
Sadly the so-called “smart TV” is becoming the norm. Companies add unnecessary crap to TVs that’s often as slow as your car’s factory infotainment system, and when they feel like not upgrading the software anymore for security issues in a few years, it’s a permanent security hazard until you disconnect it from the network.
I have a Vizio TV from several years ago with Yahoo branded smart functions (that should date it) that I need to factory reset because I can’t find the WiFi password erase.
I bought a cheap Vizio, and never connected it or let it connect to anything. All it does is power on, and go to HDMI-1. My pc it connects to does everything else.
If you’re concerned about privacy on your tv, I would recommend migrating away from Roku as well.
Ditto, I did the same. FYI, you can’t use bluetooth or screencast unless you connect it to the internet, and I didn’t really need those features.
I’m gonna start selling smart TVs and call my company Orwellian Enterprises.
So far all the Roku TVs I’ve tried will let you skip setting up Internet on them and then default to a dumbed down mode where the Homescreen is just TV inputs, and you can access the settings menu. Haven’t had a chance to test a recent Android/Google TV.
Update: Seems Sony, TCL, and maybe some other Android/Google TV makers allow using the TV without linking a Google Account.
https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00115361
https://support.tcl.com/can-i-just-use-basic-tv-on-a-tcl-google-tv
Update 2: Samsung seems to let you skip logging into their TVs during setup via a Skip button in the top-right corner, but it’s unclear if you can skip connecting to the Internet at all.
I got a TCL with Google TV earlier this year (the same model was available from both Best Buy and Wal-Mart), can confirm that I didn’t have to sign into anything or even connect it to the net to use the coax or HDMI ports. Also it remembers the last used connection, so I don’t even have to skip past the Google TV stuff when I turn it on.
Funny that you’re concerned about your TV “phone home” when you’re using a Roku which is the worst offender for that sort of thing.
You’re already soaking wet but afraid of the rain.
If that sort of thing already concerns you, then you need to get rid of the Roku and find something else. Like an Nvidia shield or media box with Kodi.
With a caveat on the shield. It’s still android TV so ideally you put your own OS on it if you’re worried about that kind of thing.
Shield also refused to update mounting networking drives after Android 14 so they are pretty useless now
How does that make them useless? They may not work for a use case where you’re mounting network drives, but still work perfectly fine if you’re using them to connect to a media server.
Nvidia shield was known as king of media servers because it was able to be client and server. Now it’s a running on a build from ~2015 that can no longer function as a server. Yes it’s a client, but it’s old and overpriced now with a bunch of additional Google shitware. If you have one use it, don’t buy one.
I suppose I don’t have enough experience or interest in the Shield as a server, so I’ll take your word on that part. I don’t disagree that purely as a client, it’s overpriced today, although I’ve always been satisfied with mine. It’s always outperformed most other clients I’ve ever tried. What would you suggest as an alternative now, just a mini pc or something?
It’s bleak, Xbox one is my preferred client and it’s quickly degrading. Chromecast has little overhead but requires another client. I’ve heard older rokus are in demand on eBay. I don’t recall if apple TV has a casting feature, but I’ve heard the ecosystem works for apps. I checked this thread for new recs.
