• Tetra
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    12 years ago

    Looks like I might test disabling Youtube from my life then

  • m3t00🌎
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    212 years ago

    block scripts with uMatrix. a little finer grained. if they block me, oh well. still won’t watch ads

  • Cambionn
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    22 years ago

    I actually used to have YT Premium because I’m a strong believer that nothing is free, so you either pay with data or money (on anything slightly commercial, not counting FOSS projects made as hobby or under foundations etc. as things get more complex then. But even then I pay/donate for some stuff in the same way of reasoning).

    Yet I cancled the YT Premium subscription. Simply for one reason, privacy. I don’t mind paying, but then I don’t want just no adds, I also want no tracking. I pay with money, so I don’t want to pay with data as well having a whole profile made.

    Switched to NewPipe with sponsorblock on phone and TV and FreeTube on PC. Got a redirect extension in FireFox automatically sending YT videos to either Invidious or Pipe.

    • @[email protected]
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      02 years ago

      If you have an android phone with a Google account, you’re being tracked already.

      As I be see it, I’m going to be tracked by everything on the internet whether I like it or not. So in the case of YouTube, I may as well support the creators I watch hours of content from.

      • Andreas
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        22 years ago

        You get tracked if you give up and accept the privacy invasions because “the internet is just like that”. Get a phone with an unlocked bootloader, remove the stock Android and install GrapheneOS/LineageOS/CalyxOS.

      • @[email protected]
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        22 years ago

        Software doesn’t has to be this way. Humans define their own way and the Fediverse is showing us this.

    • @[email protected]
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      Would definetely prefer to pay than being tracked…

      But i also feel like the time is mature to produce a new type of web where nor ads, nor user payments are required, i think we’ll get there some day…

    • lemmyvore
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      62 years ago

      Depends how far they’re going to take it. If they’ll focus on people with a YouTube account and threaten to block their YouTube/Google account, it’s one thing. You’ll be able to work around it by using incognito mode (assuming you trust they don’t spy on you in incognito mode…) or a browser where you’re not logged in, or NewPipe etc.

      If they threaten to block people who aren’t logged in (by IP and by the fact they already spy on your phone and know your Google account) then it’s another thing and nothing will be able to bypass it. They would burn a lot of bridges by doing that and expose themselves to some huge fallout and scrutiny about privacy, but you’d have no choice but to watch ads or not use YouTube.

      • @[email protected]
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        42 years ago

        well, hopefully their implementation has as many holes as everything else they do. with a custom rom you can even spoof free unlimited google photos, as if you’re using a google pixel

    • @[email protected]
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      Honestly it wouldn’t be such a bad thing if more people started using nebula and curiositystream for their content. The quality of content there is fantastic. Floatplane is another weird one out there which benefits users and content providers

  • @[email protected]
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    82 years ago

    I’m gonna be honest. I don’t see anything wrong with this. I know the majority of us are just coming off some corporate bullshit from reddit, but I don’t think it’s wrong to not let your very expensive to maintain service be used for free without ads.

    I promise that I’m not trying to suck a billionaire’s cock when I say that I marvel in awe at YouTube’s ability to input and output such astronomical amount of data at any given time, without any complaints.

    • lemmyvore
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      122 years ago

      But this is such a shitty, hostile way to do it. And if you give in and say yes to ads they’ve already shown where that’s going to go, with 10 unskippable ads in a row and 30 second ads.

      They could make subscriptions mandatory if they really believe they have a good product, and pass a fat portion of that money to the creators instead.

      …except this isn’t about the creators, or the users, or the advertisers, it’s about Google making more money at the expense of every single other party involved in the platform, and the platform be damned. Textbook late stage enshittification.

      • @[email protected]
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        12 years ago

        YouTube premium revenue is shared with creators based on view time. I don’t know what percentage of the subscription cost is shared (I believe I’ve read 55% is shared but I didn’t validate that right now, their help docs say “most” so it’s likely over 50%). As I understand it from income breakdown from creators, income from YouTube premium does often surpass Adsense income even when only a small percentage of viewers use YouTube premium.

        The larger factor in them doing this is that the value of selling ads has been decreasing substantially the last few years. This means they need to show more ads to make the same money they did before.

        This is also part of why every YouTube creator now does their own sponsored ads inside videos, trying to rely only on Adsense isn’t viable for them.

        YouTube know they have a good product, and lots of people do subscribe to YouTube premium, there is no reason form them to force people onto YouTube premium when lots of people are willing to watch the ads.

        • @[email protected]
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          32 years ago

          I’ve had youtube premium for several years now. Most of the creators I watch do their best to integrate their sponsorships in an appropriate way. Whether that’s choosing a sponsorship related to the video topic, or making it entertaining in its own right.

          It’s expensive to run servers that hosts tens of billions of videos. If you don’t want to pay for access, then pay for no ads. If you don’t want to pay for no ads, then watching the ads is the only way. Remember, if you’re not buying the product, then you are the product.

          • @[email protected]
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            Paying for YouTube premium still makes you the product, since you are still being tracked and sold. Hell you could drop over over 2k on a TV, phone, or GPU and still be getting tracked and sold. The old adage of if you aren’t paying you are the product no longer applies. It’s outdated.

    • DrDateJust
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      112 years ago

      Nah fuck that they have way too many unskipable 30 second ads for a 15min video. If it was 1 or 2 ads a video sure.

    • fouc
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      42 years ago

      While I’m not opposed to paying for YouTube (it is a service after all) the only way to do so would be by being logged in to YouTube with whatever black box algorithmic tracking and curation that entails. There is no “proper” way to anonymously access YouTube without ads.

  • @[email protected]
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    32 years ago

    I’m truly surprised there hasn’t been a successful YouTube competitor in the last decade or so.

    I suspect the problem is that people wouldn’t even pay a penny per video to content creators. From what I’ve seen of other competing video sites, there’s a really serious moderation issue stopping them from wide adoption… So many of the competing sites are full of flat earth / anti-vax / pro-fascism content…

    • @[email protected]
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      42 years ago

      I’m truly surprised there hasn’t been a successful YouTube competitor in the last decade or so.

      Running a video service the size of YouTube carries astronomical traffic and storage costs. Google is probably one of the only companies in the world that can stem that.

      There’s smaller video sharing sites, like DailyMotion, but those would probably instantly crash and burn if their userbase were to suddenly grow to the size of YouTube’s.

    • @[email protected]
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      22 years ago

      I expect tik tok to make a long form video tab and compete directly. The way that YouTube made shorts to compete with tik tok.

    • @[email protected]
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      12 years ago

      My understanding is that its just straight up not profitable plus network effect. Requires too many resources to run the service and only profitable if doing data harvesting from users in the way that google/etc do.

    • @[email protected]
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      22 years ago

      It’s because google has effectively unlimited resources and first-adopter advantage combined. The people who originally made youtube in 2005 would have never made money from it, even though the max upload quality was 240p (I remember when 480 on youtube was still considered high quality lol). But they got an audience which is what mattered. When google bought them, they still couldn’t make money, but they could prevent ANYONE else making money with a similar product but throwing enough money and creator-focused policy around to make any other platform look just plain stupid. Even today, how much do you think it costs to store and serve the hundreds of thousands of videos uploaded to YT a DAY? Many of them at 4K res or even 4K60hz??? It’s a massive undertaking and nobody can afford to build a competitor. And without youtube, the internet would be a much much smaller place.

    • assa123
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      12 years ago

      I’ve tried changing to odysee and peertube. I just wished more creators would upload their videos to other platforms and not just YT.

  • ddh
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    32 years ago

    A prediction…

    YouTube: Show them this ad. Browser: Sure. OK they watched it. YouTube: Really? That was too fast. It was a three minute ad! Browser: Oh, right. Well they’ve definitely watched it now. YouTube: You sure? Browser: Totally.

  • Ignacio [he/him]
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    12 years ago

    I’m thinking about recording my screen monitor while I’m playing some video games and upload the videos both on PeerTube and on YouTube. With a slightly little difference between them: the YouTube version will show messages encouraging the use of adblockers and leading people to PeerTube.

    Now I have to find a good software and configuration to record my gameplays on my “potato” computer.

    • @[email protected]
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      youtube.com##+js(set,yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false)
      youtube.com##+js(set,Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0)
      youtube.com##+js(set,ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, [])
      youtube.com##+js(set,Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)
      

      Here it is in text format so ya’ll don’t have to type it out. I haven’t verified that it works but by the looks of it it just makes the Adblock sensor report a false negative. [edit, fixed some spacings that sneaked it’s way into the filter upon copying it earlier.]

    • @[email protected]
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      42 years ago

      Corporations in general. Reddit with their API prices, Adobe with their montly subscription for rotating pages in the Adobe Reader, Netflix with their lockdown on account sharing… Capitalism yay!

  • @[email protected]
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    32 years ago

    I mean, since we’re all here, PeerTube is federated with Lemmy! There are limited numbers of creators on PeerTube right now, but maybe if we can link more videos from there on lemmy and upload some ourselves, we can get the platform into a healthy state. Not that there is nothing there, there is a decent amount uploaded already.

    • @[email protected]
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      22 years ago

      PeerTube won’t take off unlike Lemmy did and still does. People won’t switch from YouTube to PeerTube because the creators they watch aren’t there. Also the YouTube Algorithm is what people make use YouTube in the first place.

      Reddit isn’t creator based and doesn’t necessarily need an Algorithm since the users choose what to see anyways. So the Lemmy experience isn’t actually that mich worse than the reddit experience

      • @[email protected]
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        22 years ago

        YT algo is hot garbage, I always have to check the channels of the creators I follow manually. I donate through Patreon and I would be happy to bump up my donations to make it easier for them to move to PeerTube

      • Temple Square
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        12 years ago

        Creators also need to make money. I doubt Peertube has ad revenue to split with them.

        In fairness to YouTube, creators do keep about half the money (in exchange for YouTube hosting the content).