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None of the people they are trying to bribe will see money.
He will claim is was a joke in court.
‘Locker room talk’
If this is illegal, does that mean Cards Against Humanity’s recent voting stunt is also? Edit: thanks for the drive-by down vote, it really doesn’t help the discourse. I’m mainly wondering if CAH has opened themselves up to a bunch of legal liability.
i’m telling yall. this is a self defense situation.
… shall be fined not more than $10,000 …
Pocket change.
Make him pay it for each entrant. It’s probably still pocket change because a hundred billion dollars (or whatever it is now) is effectively infinite money.
Sometimes the depth of the hole we’ve dug ourselves is just astounding.
Everyone talking about how illegal this is but I doubt it is. It does not say you have a vote a certain way. You just have to be a voter and sign his petition to be eligible.
Legal eagle has a video spelling out which laws are broken. Note that there are specific laws against paying people to vote
The Supreme Court: “This is fine as long as it remains Republicans only…”
Accurate
This is a case where max jail time is needed. 5 years for each bribe.
Served consecutively, not concurrently
Except he’s not paying people to vote. I hate arguing for the guy, but what he’s doing is not illegal. It should be, but it’s not.
Cards against humanity is paying democrats in swing states who didn’t vote last time to apologize, share something bad about trump, and make a voting plan. They’re showing how far you can go and still be legal, saying it should be illegal.
Did you read the article…? They’re saying it is illegal to offer money to register to vote.
Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307©: “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)
The article says what he’s doing is clearly illegal, and backs it up with the law that he’s violating. He’s offering, through a lottery, a chance to receive payment in order to incentivize people to register to vote. CAH is probably treading close to the line, but I can’t say it’s clearly illegal. What Musk is described as doing seems to be pretty clearly illegal, to me.
Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both
Can you explain why you don’t seem to think what Musk is doing is illegal?
Put him behind bars for that and I start believing that the government takes this vote seriously.
I’m going to lower the bar:
If the government issues any sort of indictment in the next 3 weeks, I’ll agree that they are taking it seriously. Even without bail.
Also this is just an illegal lottery
It’s not actually illegal. He is paying a lottery to people who register to vote. Similarly, Cards Against Humanity is paying people who didn’t vote last election to make a voting plan.
It’s illegal to pay someone to vote regardless of if it’s for a side. Neither instance goes far enough to be considered against the law as written. Cards Against Humanity states that it shouldn’t be and it’s fucked up that it is.
You need to really read what CAH says… it’s only paying you to apologize, make a plan to vote and post a comment about Trump on social media. Nome of that goes as far as this lottery.
It doesn’t pay you to register to vote. I read the whole website when it started
You can’t buy popularity, Elon. Ask your buddy Donald
You really want him to ask his buddy who took his popularity from a reality show and parlayed it into the Presidency , and might just do it again?
What’s stopping people from applying to his “lottery” and just not voting Trump?
Apparently nothing. I live in PA and want to sign up, but I really don’t want Musk to have my email or phone number or home address.
Make them up?
I feel like that wouldn’t get me the million dollars.
I don’t think anyone’s actually getting a million dollars…
As if he didn’t already have them
Understandable. I’d greatly consider it (if I didn’t already turn in my mail-in ballot, and he offered to California) but the idea alone that I’d be giving my private info to “I am a massive fascist and enabler and funder of them” just so I can grift a grifter.
But the simple fact that even if I could give them what they demanded for payment, they would probably see a disabled, queer, poor person and go “Oh, well, you’re one of them so… Face the wall.”
I’d rather be a poverty-trapped queer in a red county as I am now, than sell my morals for money. That’s what people with the moral backbone of a chocolate eclair do.
Use a throwaway email, drop it as soon as the promotion is over
Putin rubbing his fingers with glee rn. If this doesn’t get prosecuted, I know what he’d do.
Stupid rich people trying to take advantage of ‘stupid’ poor people.
Stupid rich people taking advantage of the flaws in American law enforcement and of the American judiciary system
Hate that I’m writing something that defends Garland a bit but arresting Musk two weeks before the election could be a huge backfire.
Musk isn’t running… You can’t give famous or wealthy supporters legal immunity just because they’re famous and wealthy and vocally support one side or the other.
…so yes, you should hate yourself for trying to make that defacto case.
What a Bunch of nonsense. You’d rather have a hissy fit and turn thenarrative into charging the world’s wealthiest man, thus supporting Trump’s weaponization of DOJ rhetoric than wait for a couple of weeks. Guess you were never spanked as a child.
What a Bunch of nonsense.
What is the nonsense and why are you bringing up child abuse like it helps people?
Musk is actively doing damage and blatantly breaking the law…
And you think the best plan is to ignore it till after the election, completely ignoring this is targeted at battleground states in a tight election?
Like, did you see how long it took to hold people accountable after 1/6?
What’s important is stopping it now with an injunction.
Pro Tip: One thing about spanking a child having a hissy fit, they learn they seldom pay off.:
Your inconsistency is that you thought my comment was a hissyfit, and needed your tough and immediate response, but you don’t think someone illegally interfering with an election is a hissyfit, or needs an immediate response.
You’d prefer that this election interference be allowed to happen, be left to effect the election… And only be addressed later - after the election has been interfered with.
You want to walk on eggshells because you’re scared of what your abusers might do. It’s battered woman syndrome (no it’s not gendered happens to lots of people, particularly kids).
The desire to stay quiet or not make trouble out of fear of what might happen if you speak up, or get outside help.
Might explain your focus on corporal punishment, maybe you’ve seen stuff like this happen on a personal level.
You seem like you’re in a bad place. Try to focus on the good things in life, things that make you happy, and make you want to move forward and keep going.
You watch something blatantly illegal and not even in a moral grey area going on and your take away is that stopping it would be wrong?
What are your values?
My takeaway is doing something about it before the election is probably a mistake. It has to do with reality, not values.
@[email protected] Yeah, seems not doing anything was the correct call. Now there will be no real consequences other than winning power. Truly the correct political decision.
A lot of people think if two groups disagree then just picking the middle makes them better than either, likely because it may make the two sides court them so they feel important. Which would explain the pro-spanking stance too. The people who fall into that were often attention starved as children and view any attention as a positive.
So when you get full blown fascism on one side, and ineffectual pro-corproate neoliberalism on the other…
Those people may very well say that the correct path is in-between the two.
In this case letting a billionaire buy an election for the fascist and then honestly say with a straight face:
arresting Musk two weeks before the election could be a huge backfire.
Like if one mob wanted to burn their house down, and another mob wanted to burn half, they’d pat themselves on the back for “negotiating” to have 75% of their own house burnt down, and declare everyone has to be satisfied because it’s a compromise.
maybe they weren’t, since not spanking children leads to better outcomes for them. Emotionally and cognitively.
Researchers are also finding that physical punishment is linked to slower cognitive development and adversely affects academic achievement
Elon Musk and promising people money you’ll never actually pay out. Name a more iconic duo
Merrick Garland & fecklessness?
Remember: the reason Garland got nominated for SCOTUS in the first place was that he was so conservative Obama figured Mitch McConnell couldn’t possibly object to him.
Merrick garland was actually recommended by one of the senate GOP members, Grassely, who headed up the senate judicial commitee. He said Garland would be “reasonable” choice that Obama would never nominate.
So Obama nominated him to make a point, and the Senate tsk tsked anyway and refused to fill the seat for the first time in its history.
Donald Trump and promising people money you’ll never actually pay out.
