It’s not only Jesus, but it’s religious figures too. Muslims do the same to depictions of their saints, they should always look like “us”.
Majority of Muslims actively avoid portrayals of religious figures. They would rather have the persons head glowing or something like that to avoid misrepresentation.
Yes, despite that there are pictures from saints (imams) and paintings at least in Iran, which are purely imaginary and look like Iranians.
Imams aren’t prophets like Jesus is in Islam. And some of the imams are Iranian, or at least middle-eastern. It also varies, some do block out depictions of the imams as well.
Muslims do it too?
Deceptions of Salahuddin always seemed like a Kurdish man to me
Say it louder for the people in the back. This is how white supremacy works. One of capitalism’s most powerful tools.
Except Jesus is depicted as black, asian etc depending on where in the world they are worshiping him. Everyone in this thread is revising history to match with their contemporary race ideologies instead of just saying “Hmm maybe Jesus is depicted as white because that’s what made sense to the iconographers in Greece” One of the earliest icons of Jesus showed him as tawny with a robe and he looked Roman. People also assume he must be brown or black even though there are people in the levant that look super white. The reality is no one knows. This is a stupid thread.
I don’t feel very Supreme. I don’t even feel Gucci. I feel Private Selection at Kroger at best.
Is that better or worse than feeling like Kirkland from Costco? I’m needing a reference point for this scale.
Utz brand
Jesus: It’s because I’m not your god. I’m god of the people that colonized your country, took some of your people as slaves and made you all believe in me instead of your original black gods.
Jesus is like a Marvel superhero. Like any pop culture fiction, it’s rendition changes to reflect and is a product of the era of that particular iteration of the superhero. You even have the religious offspring sect equivalents of Invincible and The Boys.
Was going to say… there’s no shortage of art - historical or modern - that portrays Jesus as the dominant regional ethnicity.
A theory that claims multiple leaders – from Jesus to Barack Obama – are actually Turkish and that modern nations are little more than portions of a greater Turkic whole is gaining traction in many countries
This is why deities, demons, spirits, angelic beings and so forth should be animalistic, aka furry. Have fun being racist about animals lmao.
It’s called speciesism and it’s how people justify eating cows.
I justify eating cows because they’re delicious.
jesus of any color is stupid. this shouldn’t be about anything more than destroying religion for the sake of humanity.
Time to add some transparency to Jesus.
I have accepted PNG Jesus into my photo editor.
Religion lost its use. In the past it was useful to form bigger communities by providing rules and a common sense of “what’s right”.
Nower days it’s quite the opposite. Just let it die already.
it’s going to take too long to die a natural death and will continue to steer society in the wrong direction until it does. we need to take action to see its demise.
We need to take action to see its demise.
Christians are no strangers to being persecuted.
oh wAaAAAH PoOr PerSeCuTed ChRisTIaNs.
MF, be glad we’re not face to face right now.
I’m going to pray for you and there’s nothing you can do to stop me. 🤣
prove your god is real or STFU you fucking moron
There is plenty of thought-provoking philosophical, epistemological and metaphysical discussions to be had around the existence of God but something tells me that you and I are not going to get there in this exchange.
Dude bro that was so brave what you did there.
are you some kind of fucking christian apologist?
Because the Vorlons have programmed the younger species to view them as holy beings
I wonder what I’d see if I perceived a Vorlon. Bill Nye the Science Guy?
Is there a Why Files episode about this or something similar?
Aha! Thank you.
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Jesus is depicted as black in the Ethiopian Orthodox church and is shown as Japanese in some Japanese Orthodox churches.
Or hear me out, most depictions are from the renaissance when “Not being white” was a relatively new concept to Painters?
shhhhhhh op feels smart. he used big words and everything.
The renaissance is heavily linked to white racial superiority
Are you trying to say any historical event involving white people is racist in and of itself (As opposed to it merely being limited to the tragically high amount of ones directly linked to the exploitation of minorities) or that you are racist and believe renaissance era artwork to be proof of white racial superiority? Which brand of idiocy am I dealing with?
Demand fuels supply. Art style reflects a population. It’s not hard to guess where the Renaissance is hinting at when everything is ripped white dudes.
Race as a concept and part of Renaissance life, however, has not been a central conversation in scholarship on Italy. This has made it difficult [189] for instructors to know where to start if they do want to bring the subject of race to the classroom. But the primary sources are brimming with racialized references: Petrarch extolled a white beauty, Dante condemned Mohammed to Hell, and Ariosto and Tasso both marshaled crusading themes and deified the violent expeditions of Christopher Columbus in their respective epics (and Tasso borrowed from the Aethiopica to create his heroine Clorinda, a white woman born to Black Ethiopian royalty). Racialized narratives around non-Italians, especially Muslims, Jews, and Black Africans, as well as the violent oppression of ethnic and religious minorities throughout the city-states, influenced this cultural production, and are important parts of Italian Renaissance history.
Are there a plethora of examples of black artwork depicting ripped white dudes? Or are we just saying that White Racism existed in a vacuum?
Click the article I linked if you need more context. God transforming into a white man is no coincidence.
Yeah I get that, what I’m saying is: I bet it’s global. Africans probably painted Africans, Asians probably painted Asians. I don’t think white man was exclusively racist.
I was thinking the same. It’s white people painting for rich white people, why would they EVER even think about the color of his skin? The right color is the color of whoever is paying you to paint it.
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Jesus is white and ripped because of several very prominent renaissance painters using their hot twink lovers as their models
Unironically this!
There’s also evidence that White Jesus originated as a Borgia pope, it’s not nearly that cut and dry
This is a pretty flawed understanding of history.
Humans have always travelled, in Europe even serfs would hope to go on pilgrimage and Lords generally had to allow it. Although it may only be to a nearby cathedral. Italy was a trade hub, and a relatively short trip by boat to north Africa.
European painters knew that people came in different shades. As proof, go look at the school of Athens painting.
The average peasant in medieval Europe would certainly never see an African person in his lifetime.
The average peasant in medieval Europe wasn’t painting commissions for cathedrals
Across all of Europe and all of the middle ages? Sure probably. Never hear of them, see them in art? I dunno, it’s hard to say because we don’t have a lot of documentation on what normal people’s lives were like.
In the cosmopolitan cities like Prague you probably would. Also any major Mediterranean trade port. Anyone who went on pilgrimage to those places, or along them, probably would. Cutting off Jerusalem to pilgrimage being such a big political deal indicates that many people went there or wanted to, and people loved sharing stories of places.
Ethiopian Jesus looks like an east African.
The “rightymemes” version of this is a kid asking Miles Morales why he’s brown and having text below that says
“Because, I’m a psychological tool. By creating the image of a brown Spider-Man this subliminally engrains the myth of brown superiority into the subconscious minds of white people. This makes you people more compliant with our brown dominance over your lives.”
The circumstances of one’s birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are.
It’s one thing to make an observation of how Jesus’s “image” has been adopted by different ethnicities, but when the official lore is that all humans are made in the image of God I think there are more productive ways to approach the topic of the societal impact of whitewashing.
I guess it’s the difference between saying “fictional white characters/heroes are bad because they reinforce white supremacy” vs asking “how foolish is it to look at a painting and try to judge which color of paint is ‘best’?”
Because he was drawn by Europeans
Just like Black/Yellow Jesus existing in those populations
You ask someone to draw a person, they will likely draw someone resembling people they see. If you tell an artist a thousand years ago “from the middle east” they will say what’s that
Then you just propagate those depictions
OK, so why did they persist with it for all the centuries in between and still to this day?
The last line
You grow up with whatever colour Jesus, then you do your drawing
Lol, its not that I didn’t understand or that I missed it. It’s that I disagree that its a cogent reason.
When I was young, I used to draw pictures of people with stick bodies and round heads. They were also often bright or powder pink in colour. I propagated the shit out of that too.
Then, when I found out that wasn’t the correct way to draw people or the natural colour of human skin, I stopped drawing them and colouring quite so comedically ridiculous.
Why can’t the people who draw Jesus manage this?
The comparison with your own childish vs adult drawings is simply off the mark. A more similar comparison could be provided by how artists depict the Vikings. It is well known today that the helmet with bull horns is made-up, and was probably never used by actual Vikings. Yet tons of people still portray them with such helmets, and most non-artists still have that same association in their minds. Why? Because a child growing up and developing their observational and artistic skills is not the same as a culture with its century-old symbols and images.
Admittedly the depictions of Jesus in art today are frequently done by more or less amateurish artists and are meant to be traditional in their style, which additionally makes them less likely to move away from the inherited imagery.
Your viking analogy is bizzare. Not that many people know that vikings didn’t actually wear anything like that in battle, unlike how everyone knows Jesus was a homeless middle Eastern man and, depsite this, continue to draw him as northern European. More so, vikings are known for wearing those helmets. Jesus isn’t known for being a white man. Why? Because Jesus wasn’t white man and isn’t know for it.
Youre really starting from where you want to end up and working your way back. Theres no cogent justification for it, as much I enjoy people trying to sell me an appeal to tradition, with extra steps.
There should be a black Jesus, just like there is a black Santa or a black Barbie.
There is.
Of course search engines are all shitted up with the TV show and ai slop.
