• @[email protected]
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    237 months ago

    It sucks. I don’t have children because I’m barely functional. Can barely keep a roof over my own head, let alone maintain a romantic relationship.

    I’ve wanted kids for a long time, but the only relationship that showed promise of that ended with a bunch of cheating and abuse. I eventually realized even if I was willing to put up with it, I couldn’t subject my kids to having her as a mother.

    So I’m going on 42 and don’t know if I’m gonna make it.

    • @[email protected]
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      17 months ago

      Keep it going. There are genuinely nice people out there to have a relationship with. I only encountered my wife at a later age (she was turning 50) and she had a miscarriage, so kids are not going to happen for us (and we’re fine with that).

      But you can meet new people, even at your age. I never had any meaningful relationship either before I met her.

  • socsa
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    Seriously like the most obvious fucking life hack.

    Also, it’s generally super weird how everyone tries really hard to convince you that you are wrong about it. Like I could take all of the collective time people have spent trying to give me unsolicited input on some other random topic, and it wouldn’t even add up to a tenth of the time I’ve spent on the “why don’t you want kids?” Conversation. I’m sorry but that’s sus as fuck. Like some actual brain slug shit.

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      it’s generally super weird how everyone tries really hard to convince you that you are wrong about it

      My theory is that (volontary) childless people are less predictable to others. If you only have to take care of yourself, you need less resources (read: money) for that. An employer that knows his employee has children to care for can be treated worse in terms of working conditions and salary/ wages, because the employer knows that this employee can’t afford to quit the job, because of the responsibility for the child(ren).

      If an emloyee is known to have no children, it makes him unpredictable. He could get up after a good yelling at the workplace, say “fuck it” and leave. He only has to take care for himself. Also, that employee can accumulate more money since it has not to be spent on the needs of children. That means, the employee has a bigger and longer lasting financial cushion.

      Something similar applies when credits/ loans have to be paid. Having debt is a considered a “good” thing, since people are less prone to quit their jobs. On a personal level, the goal should be to become debt free as soon as possible. Not only it will result in financial freedom, it will also enhance your “fuck-it-ablilty”.

      Another theory for those convincing people is that they envy your lifestyle of tranquility and spontaneousness. These people have been bullied into having children by their peer groups, because “that is the thing to do”, and “you owe grandchildren”. There are so many parents out there who would be better off if they never had children, but their relatives had convinced them otherwise.

      • @[email protected]
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        127 months ago

        Another theory is that people with children want you to have some, too, because they have no other topics available for discussion.

      • Prehensile_cloaca
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        107 months ago

        For some people, having children is their only life accomplishment, so they perceive other people’s choices as an “attack” on their sense of identity, which makes it feel personal, to them.

      • @[email protected]
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        27 months ago

        I agree but not on the debt free part. Mortgage loan at 1,45%, savings rate at 2,4 %: I’ll not try to get out of that debt sooner than planned, thank you very much :')

    • Track_Shovel
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      107 months ago

      As a parent, I couldn’t give two shits if you don’t have kids. Not gonna convince you. It’s your story not mine.

      You’re also not going to convince me I made a poor decision.

      • AbeilleVegane
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        37 months ago

        Exactly, like if someone doesn’t want kids I wouldn’t want to be their child, let them not have them

    • @[email protected]
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      107 months ago

      I have a kid. I love my kid. There’s also a looooooooot more sacrifice involved than I was expecting.

      Not so much the money, but time and effort. Today I wanted to leave the park and go the grocery store for ONE thing before dinner. Cue negotiations to leave the park. 10mons to walk 100 yards. Issues around refusing to use the toilet before we go (young kid and car rides). Not wanting to get out of the car at the store. I could go on. Everything is just a whole fucking ordeal. Pre kid I would have got in my car, gotten the item and come home. 15mins tops. This took 1.5hrs.

      I love my kid. I’m glad we had a kid. But I do not see everyone being suited to being a parent. And no one should be forced or pressured to be one.

      That’s my personal opinion though.

  • @[email protected]
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    67 months ago

    Meh depression is killing it, but I don’t think I’d be a good parent. I would probably be just fine but would rather help someone already here. Who knows.

  • @[email protected]
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    267 months ago

    Honestly? Kinda lonely. I’ll be 40 in a few months. I’m a woman, if the perspective matters .

    I was engaged to the man I thought I’d marry and have kids with, but it didn’t turn out to be the case, and although I learned how to choose better and what to look out for, I also wonder if I’m ever going to get to have a family of my own. It’s been 6 years now since that fell apart, and I had to do a lot in that time to get back onto my feet, but the few relationships I’ve had since then are fleeting. Men seem afraid of commitment now, and it’s hard not to completely fall to the idea that I’m just too old, which is what society is consistently screaming at me.

    I don’t feel old.

    I am tired of searching though. At some point I will get to where I’m too old and that makes me sad to think about.

    • @[email protected]
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      137 months ago

      Too old to have biological children, yes, but my 72 year old father has been in a new relationship for about a year and they seem super happy together.

  • DigitalDilemma
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    217 months ago

    Mixed, but mostly okay.

    Pros: The world is massively overpopulated already. Our genes aren’t particularly noteworthy. I’m not very optimistic about the future. People’s happiness generally seems a lot less than it was when I was younger and I don’t see that changing.

    Cons: Not being able to pass anything on - my knowledge and experience, ironically much of which was gained through having time that would have been unavailable if I had had kids. As we both get older, our own care is concerning. Doing physical things around our smallholding is getting harder and a pair of young hands would be nice.

    I don’t begrudge other people having kids. We tried once but lost it and that kind of took the excitement out of it for us. Before we knew it, it was too late anyway.

    • @[email protected]
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      Not being able to pass anything on - my knowledge and experience

      I know this may sound like satire but you can write a blog and share your knowledge and experiences. It may seem weird at first, but it’s an actual option, and people could organically come across your blog, especially if you use the right keywords that they’re looking for.

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        17 months ago

        Thanks, that’s some good thoughts. I do already do that, contribute to FOSS, write fiction and I’ve taught some stuff to younger folk at work so it’s not entirely wasted. If I can achive net zero on whatever cosmic scoreboard is in place, I figure that’s okay.

        • @[email protected]
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          27 months ago

          Sounds like you’re doing well then. I do the same with contributing to FOSS (and I maintain a couple FOSS projects) and I teach younger devs at work, and have a blog (technically two), so I’m in the same boat.

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      37 months ago

      You could look into some kind of work experience program or even troubled youth programs operating in your area that might be able to make use of your knowledge and your property?

      We don’t need kids to pass on what we know to the young :)

  • @[email protected]
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    17 months ago

    You’re correct. I didn’t mean that 40 was itself too old, only that there is a certain point at which they’ll be too old for biological kids. No one is ever too old to find a new relationship though.

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    Something that only occurred to me just now is that when I was in my 20s and early 30s and still assumed I’d have children (despite that looming self imposed pressure feeling exactly like dread), the parent-child relationship I had imagined in my head was set in the past.

    I grew up in the 90s and early 00s. I’m an elder millennial. I think my gen was very lucky in that we got to see and enjoy the rapid emergence of technology before today’s capitalistic enshittification but our interpersonal dynamics and everything we did didn’t rely on it either. So the ‘come home when it gets dark’ or ‘I’ll meet you at 4 at the cinema’ mentality was still strong. No social media or inability to switch off the connection to other people.

    We also didn’t have the existential crises that come with thinking about climate change, the death of truth and the rise of misinformation, and the next pandemic.

    So when I was picturing raising a child it was in a dated context that for the most part doesn’t exist anymore. Yes there’s exceptions to everything - I’m speaking in a very general sense - but I cannot imagine myself growing up in today’s world. I had a hard enough time back then, with similar struggles most kids have. How the fuck would I help my own child navigate it???

    No thanks.

    • @[email protected]
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      This is one of the arguments I have around the decision to not have children of my own. The world is pretty fucked, do I really want to create someone who will not only have to endure the shit to come, but also will undoubtedly add to that shit?

      The counter argument, of course, is to raise the child in such a way that they make the world a better place. Ultimately, though, the problem is too many humans- why add to that?

  • @[email protected]
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    37 months ago

    Been trying for 6 years. Not desperately, but it would be nice. Thinking about getting chickens.

    • @[email protected]
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      27 months ago

      If you’re doing it for companionship, get male chicks so they don’t put them in the macerator.

      • @[email protected]
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        17 months ago

        Unfortunately, our local council doesn’t allow having roosters because of the crowing. Hens only.

  • @[email protected]
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    47 months ago

    Married, happy, and doing financially ok (house paid off but no real savings). Life would have been a lot harder with kids.

  • @[email protected]
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    107 months ago

    50F who never wanted kids.

    I am lonely at times, but so are many others who have children. Most with grown children are more lonely than I am because they lose a deep connection that became central to their very being as their children grow and part. That is true even for people with good relationships with their grown children and increases with age pretty consistently in America.

    There are opportunity costs regardless of how you spend your effort in this life. Parents spend most of their effort in the care and raising of another human. Even if they do a poor job of it, parenting at its bare minimum takes a lot of effort. I spent my efforts on education, work, hobbies and friends. I have money, independence and a deep love for learning. They have companionship, support systems and share a deep love with their children.

    I have a lot of nieces and nephews, and they now have their own children. I love them and show up when I am needed. They do the same for me. But it is at a distance. I have never been that interested in hanging out with them and doing family things. I do attend some family events. I bring a fun energy when I do attend stuff. But I miss more than I attend and I am good with that.

    Overall, I think I made the right choice and I feel pretty good about it.

  • @[email protected]
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    257 months ago

    Like Freedom. I love my niece and nephew and enjoy spending time with them. But if I had to feed, clothe, clean up after, provide for, and entertain them 24 hours a day (not even considering when they were babies!)… I literally cannot imagine it.

      • @[email protected]
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        117 months ago

        I see what my friends have with their kids and grandkids now, and really wish I had people that care for me that much. Honestly, it’s kinda gotten to where I don’t want to go to events because it just reminds me of how that chance is lost now.