First of all, let’s try to avoid American-bashing, and stay respectful to everyone.

I’ll start: for me it’s the tipping culture. Especially nowadays, with the recent post on [email protected] with the 40% tip, it just seems so weird to me to have to pay extra just so that menu prices can stay low.

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    When I read about people being frugal, there’s always something like “I now go to restaurants only once a week”, “I’m driving the same car for 5 years”, “you don’t really need 10 subscriptions for x”. Do people really not cook their own food and spend money that much? My only subscriptions are internet and rent, and my savings would be gone if I’d get a car 🤷‍♂️

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      You also wouldn’t spend hours commuting to work every day. Cars are fast. I don’t know how it is in Europe, but in America, commute time is unpaid and cost of living is obscenely high, so cars are pretty much mandatory if you want to keep a roof over your head and get a full 8 hours of sleep.

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        82 years ago

        Here, cars are not fast. Cities are congested. When I worked on the other side of my small town, getting there by bike or by car cost the same amount of time. In bigger cities there is public transport.

        We generally also don’t live hours away from where we work. I got rejected for a jobs because they didn’t believe I’d commute for an hour by car while looking for a new place

        • @[email protected]
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          But then you have to live in a tiny apartment in the city. Housing in cities is extremely expensive (in terms of cost per square foot).

          • @[email protected]
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            11 year ago

            An expensive apartment in the city might still be cheaper than a rural place plus the cost of a car (which you don’t need in the city).

            • @[email protected]
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              12 years ago

              That’s not okay.

              Dignified living is a suburban house with ample open floor space, a yard for the kids and pets to play in, and no HOA or building manager threatening you with homelessness and catastrophic debt unless you bow to his every whim.

              That’s how I grew up, it was a hell of a lot nicer and less scary than the apartment I’m living in now, and housing costs have stolen that life from me. Now you’re telling me I should be happy with what my life has been reduced to? No, I am not happy about it. I am angry.

              • @[email protected]
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                42 years ago

                In Germany HOAs aren’t a thing and by law you have quite good tenant rights. for example once you have an open ended rental contract, your landlord can’t really throw you out on their whim.

                • @[email protected]
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                  12 years ago

                  Around here, they may not be able to arbitrarily throw me out, but they can decline to offer a new fixed-term lease when the current one expires, and rent automatically doubles if a fixed-term lease is not signed. Is that not a thing in Germany?

    • @[email protected]
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      132 years ago

      Are these by posts by newspapers, blogs, or normal people? Because all the people writing for newspapers and financial blogs seem to live in a different world than most Americans. The average car in the US is 12 years old for example.

    • @[email protected]
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      192 years ago

      “I discovered cooking at home” “Meal planning” “Dining in”

      Bitch, that’s called Tuesday in most of the world.

  • @[email protected]
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    I recently found out that the suburbs in the US have NOTHING other than single family homes.

    No small grocery store, no hair salon, no post office, no pub, no tiny kebab place around the corner, nothing. There are areas where you have to drive 30 minutes just to buy bread.

    Now I understand why 15-minute cities are such a buzz among Americans.

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      That’s a bit exaggerated. “Corner” stores of any kind are rare in suburbs as they are zoned for residential use only. However, there are often small areas zoned commercial scattered around where a small number of shops are located. I’m pretty sure land use planning requires these things to avoid exactly what you were describing.

      I’ve never been more than 10 minutes from groceries or gas in the suburbs. Now rural life, that can mean some planning if you need anything at all. And if you want to do anything remotely interesting you’re almost always going to be traveling some distance. And with very few exceptions cars are practically mandatory.

      Edit: times based on car travel, not walking.

      • @[email protected]
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        332 years ago

        And with very few exceptions cars are practically mandatory.

        Edit: times based on car travel, not walking.

        That’s the crazy thing to Europeans. Pretty much everywhere you can walk 10 to 15 minutes or drive a few minutes by bike to get to a grocery store or restaurant. From the smallest town to the big cities.

    • @[email protected]
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      52 years ago

      No stores, markets, and services also translates to a low availability of jobs.

      As a high schooler, you almost inevitably need some kind of “boost” to get out on your own. Maybe college, but at least a car or help signing for an apartment. Without at least some kind of help, it’s easy to get literally “stuck” at age 18 or 19. No money for a car or apartment, but no close access to employment without one of those tools.

      I see parents moving to the suburbs to give a safe life for their kids away from “bad things” in the city. Meanwhile, parents may not be home until 6 or 7 pm due to leaving the city in traffic, and bored suburban teens can get into just as much trouble as their urban counterparts. Unless the parents are also able to commit some serious money to other involvement for their teenagers, the suburban life may not play out well for them.

      Something that really struck me, particularly in Northern Europe, was that the young adults seemed to be a lot more self assured. There are probably a lot of reasons for this that I do not notice, but I wonder how much results from having a practical path to an independent and productive life. This in turn opens up so many other doors socially.

    • @[email protected]
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      262 years ago

      Can you believe it that some go batshit crazy and call 15-minute-cities a conspiracy? I laughed real, real hard when I first encountered that.

      • @[email protected]
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        82 years ago

        I’m glad that one didn’t stick too much. Covid and all that stuff I still see a lot, but decrying 15 minute cities as a bad thing is really too much mental acrobatics.

        • @[email protected]
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          72 years ago

          It’s straight up propaganda and ignorance. They think 15 minute cities are gonna be some sort of commie block that you’re not gonna be allowed to leave unless it’s under surveillance. Nevermind that it’s actually a design choice so you have all the necessities at a more convenient reach if you choose to use them but other than that you can still go wherever you want.

    • @[email protected]
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      22 years ago

      This is not the norm really. I drive < 10 minutes to everything I need on a daily basis. I’m sure there are places like this but it’s not the norm.

      • AggressivelyPassive
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        122 years ago

        I can reach everything I need in 10min by walking.

        My GP is a bit further, 10min by bike, but I’ve been there for 20 years. I might as well go to the doctor around the corner.

      • @[email protected]
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        212 years ago

        I drive < 10 minutes to everything I need on a daily basis.

        Driving is the important thing here. In Europe in most places you don’t need to car to reach basic necessities in a reasonable time. Over here we can walk or drive by bike and have everything basic we need within a 10 to 15 minute range.

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    I’ve never understood why the drinking age is higher than the driver licence age.

    And taking away voting rights from felons.

    Both baffle me.

    • @[email protected]
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      52 years ago

      I’ve never understood why the drinking age is higher than the driver licence age.

      Because driving is a necessity and drinking is not.

      And taking away voting rights from felons.

      That’s an instrument of oppression. Our right-wing party wins by stopping people from voting.

      • @[email protected]
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        102 years ago

        With some infrastructure near your housing and a working public transport, driving isn’t a necessity.

        • @[email protected]
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          How? If you live in a suburb, even with working public transport, there could be dozens of stops between home and work.

          • @[email protected]
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            52 years ago

            why would the number of stops be a problem?

            when i went to secondary school there were 13 bus stops (15 minutes) and when i went to university there were 12 train stops (30 minutes). And i wouldn’t classify either of those as a long commute

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              The stops, and the indirect route the bus must take to reach all of those stops, greatly increases travel time, and by “greatly increases” I mean by a factor of 2 to 3.

              For example, Google Maps estimates that, to travel from the suburban apartment complex where I live to a business building in the next town, it would take 12 minutes by car or 42 minutes by bus. And yes, there are bus stops close to both the start and end points of this route; that time is actually spent riding a bus, not walking.

              Outside of densely-packed cities, public transit is, by its nature, slow. Very, very slow. More public transit doesn’t change that. It might decrease how long you spend waiting for a bus to arrive, but the bus still has to make the same stops along the same indirect route, so it’s not going to be any faster once you’re aboard.

              Cars are popular for a reason. It’s not just some anti-competitive car-industry conspiracy. Public transit very much exists where I live, and whenever I see a bus on the road, there’s almost never more than a few people aboard. Buses are quite clearly viewed as transportation of last resort.

              • @[email protected]
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                32 years ago

                rural areas here have buses with stop-on-demand. the bus continues on when no one is in the stop AND no one on board has pressed the stop button. very convenient.

          • нердовіч
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            With some infrastructure near your housing and a working public transport, driving isn’t a necessity.

    • @[email protected]
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      42 years ago

      Voting is generally handled at the state level, so preventing felons from voting is a state thing. That said, they already did time, why punish them further by disenfranchisement?

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    I’m currently reading Twilight and judging by the tone it’s normal for 16-17 year olds to go to school by car (or even truck!) that they drive by themselves? I might be ignorant on the subject so correct me if I’m wrong but car culture in general. We just…took the bus or the lucky ones with a free parent got a lift. I’ve even walked to school for the fun of it, granted it was 40 minutes by foot.

    I’m nearing my 30s. I don’t own a car and I don’t have a license. I do wish I had one sometimes but once I hop on the bus to the remote place I want to visit, I quickly lose interest once I see the (usually mountainous) road ahead. Driving just scares me.

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      Being an American, I see a winding mountain road and think about how much fun it would be. Then again, my parents bought me a $1500 shitbox when I turned 16 in exchange for me giving my sister a ride to all our after-school activities.

      And I have this weird phobia about taking public transit where they’ll leave without me and I’ll be stranded with no way to get home. Planes, trains, busses, heck even monorails I have to be way, way early because I’m terrified of missing them. And if I have to make a connecting stop I’m even more anxious because they’ll also just leave without me.

      • @[email protected]
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        42 years ago

        you just need transit that’s frequent enough that you stop caring! metros in cities are great example, no one checks the schedule, it is basically always available within a few minutes.

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          That would fix ground transportation but it’s kinda hard to have a plane show up every few minutes. That’s the most anxiety-producing mode of transportation for me, and it has nothing to do with accidents and everything to do with nobody but me caring if I make it to where I want to go, and me being completely powerless.

          I would much rather drive cross country than fly, and would prefer a week on a ship to eight hours on a plane.

    • Drusas
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      Most Americans towns require you to have a car because they have little to no public transportation. Can’t get a job without a car in most places, for example.

    • @[email protected]
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      In the Netherlands it’s even pretty decadent (and time-consuming) to take the bus to school, most of the kids just cycle to school.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      22 years ago

      I had to watch Twilight movies at some point, and they indeed all have trucks. Seems to reflect the reality with teenagers being able to drive at 16.

    • artisanrox
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      The average drive here to work is ~30minutes with zero public transportation in most places. I go through 4ish towns myself. Add in terrible weather ~4 months out of the year in rural areas, that’s why most people have SUVs.

      Of course the dumbshit street-legal mobile tanks that the neonazis spend $1000/month in petrol on are RIDICULOUS, overkill, and definitely compensating for something, but most people not in cities need safe cold-weather vehicles.

  • @[email protected]
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    82 years ago

    Politeness. Americans are super polite and I really like it. If you spend extended time there the whole “Have a nice day” thing becomes really nice.

    • doc
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      I find this to be highly regional. Plenty of places will ignore that you exist beyond the payment. A minority of places perhaps, but the hospitality isn’t universal.

    • Johannes Jacobs
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      132 years ago

      White Male Suprimacy. Thats what all thats about. The fear of them losing it to women, black people or anyone else really.

      Well, thats my gut based opinion anyway :)

    • SokathHisEyesOpen
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      You’re talking about a stereotype of a very small subset of Americans. You’re basing your fears on the extremist online postings that aren’t really indicative of Americans in real life in the majority of the country. If you have legitimate reasons to be afraid to leave your house, then I strongly urge you to move. I can’t imagine you’d have much tying you to the area if you never even go outside.

      • @[email protected]
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        202 years ago

        You’re talking about a stereotype of a very small subset of Americans.

        If they really were just a very small subset of Amercians, they wouldn’t be able to pass legislation based on their intolerance and hatred of others.

      • @[email protected]
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        162 years ago

        If it’s a very small subset of Americans, then how in the world do some of them have seats in Congress?

      • @[email protected]
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        I think that depends greatly on where you live. In Berkeley, California? Definitely a small minority. In Harrison, Arkansas? Definitely not a minority.

    • cerpa
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      Grew up here thinking all this is normal. Trump opened my eyes to our crazy country. Now I’m a bit of a black sheep of the family. Enjoying all of your responses. Just bought my first European car recently. Hope to go back soon.

  • @[email protected]
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    The massive dependence on cars. I don’t understand why people put up with this nonsense. I just walk everywhere.

    • @[email protected]
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      I read a travel guide to another European city I was visiting, and the guide was aimed at Americans. It’s a major really walkable city, with car access as good as nonexistent (wonderful). It surprised me, that some Americans walk so little, that the first advice in the guide was “start by trying to walk around your house”

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        Europe is bigger than the US, but how often do you travel all across? The radius of movement might be a bit bigger in the US, due to bad design (urban sprawl). That’s a choice. You can plan cities better if you want to.

        I don’t go from Sicily to Finland every week (but if i wanted to, I could easily do so by train). The size doesn’t matter in my daily life.

      • @[email protected]
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        You have large cities separated by vast empty lands. A good train network would be much faster and much more efficient.

        In cities it’s even worse. Cars are the least efficient way to organise a city or travel in it.

        The only thing you optimize with cars is individualism.

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          12 years ago

          This doesn’t take into account the amount of suburbia in the US though. European cities are way more dense. If you’re in a neighborhood out in the suburbs the only option is really to drive.

          • @[email protected]
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            Not with proper public transports. Suburbs are also far better with public transports than cars.

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            Even in small cities you are kinda dependent on a car but you are able to drive to the closest train station and use the train to get to the next bigger city. In North Carolina (USA) I made the experience that the train is often not an option to get to the next bigger city or so expensive it is not worth it on a travel budget.

            I enjoyed the speed limit on your highway’s.

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    I was really surprised that quite a few states have a minimum marrying age of 0. And apparently, it’s more common than you’d expect for girls as young as 14 to get married, often to far older men.

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    I’ll start: for me it’s the tipping culture. Especially nowadays, with the recent post on [email protected] with the 40% tip, it just seems so weird to me to have to pay extra just so that menu prices can stay low.

    The silver lining is it isn’t forced, unlike all other forms of price gouging. I tip 15% and that isn’t changing.

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    I’m always surprised at the huge taboo about nudity. A while ago I read some comments about a Swedish TV show and some people were complaining how unnecessary it was that you could see a guy’s naked butt for a moment. I hadn’t even noticed when watching.
    It’s surprising because at the same time US media is often labelled as (over-)sexualised.
    I know that opinions on nudity also vary a lot across Europe, some might even be very close to opinions on the US. But for me personally it comes as a surprise because there is often controversy about something I wouldn’t even have noticed.

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        the puritans also founded canada and they don’t have the same problems w nudity that we do; so i think it’s much more than puritans.

    • jayrhacker
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      Sad, yes. But surprising? It’s been going on for literally hundreds of years…

      • FarraigePlaisteach
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        I was totally ignorant of all this until my mid twenties. And when I say “all this”; I’m no expert. I’m still learning every week.

  • @[email protected]
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    Many years ago, I was chatting with a friend from California and she told me her family votes Republican. As in, by default. No matter the policies or political needs of the country.

    Aside from the US parties being very similar back then (pre-Trump), I’ve also learned since then that this may have to do with party affiliation programs.
    In the US, you need to register to vote and the parties basically offer to do the registration for you, if you promise to vote for them. So, you end up being ‘affiliated’ with them, even without being actively a member.

    • @[email protected]
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      I do get asked when I vote, which part I belong to. I just flip flop every time to keep them on their toes

    • @[email protected]
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      I’m not sure voting by default to one party is a consequence of registering with that party. Maybe some psychological effect.

      I’d say the main cause is the fact there are only two parties to choose from, so unless you are a moderate (or these days right-moderate) it is just a waste of time looking at candidates and their policies beyond party affiliation.

      The related issue is this: in some places in america, the primaries are run by the parties. So you can only vote for canidates (within a party) in the primaries IF you register with that party. In some races the primaries are the important part, because everyone knows which party will win the main election, so who gets the party nomination is basically the undecided part.

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    There is so much that screams “stress” to me when I think of living in the US that makes me uncomfortable. To just mention that your job can fire you at will and your health care might be attached to your job, or that a person who can not drive a car for health reasons, like me, is basically fucked. Or no sick days and a very low amount of vacation days that you might have to take when you are sick and on top taking them at all is looked down on, while my boss reminds me to tell him when I prefer to take my vacation days, because by law I have to take them.

    I could make a very long list of things that come with American life that I find stressful. Just one more tiny thing: I do not have much money, so I have to be careful not to overspent. In Germany the prices on the shelf in the grocery store are the total I will have to pay. In the US the total can be whatever, you just have to be really good at doing math in your head, have enough money to not care or walk around with a calculator. So it is not just the big things that add onto each other. If I am sick I can walk to the nearest grocery store and drug store in less than 3 minutes from my flat, the doctor’s office is inbetween both and the visit is free and medication either free or costs 5 Euro each for what I usually need. My gall bladder surgery was all in all 100 Euro, including ambulance transport on a Sunday because it was an emergency and aftercare with my doctor. My days in the hospital and at home afterwards were fully paid by my employer.

    I wonder what America would look like if everyone would live on an European stress level. We do not have no stress of course, but the base line for many Europeans is way lower. On top there is a base line of feeling safer (less shooting, except for Ukraine of course) and more social secure.

    It surprises me that despite all that, Americans do rarely complain and are as happy as they are. I admire them for that, but also wish they could have less stress in their lifes.

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      Lifelong American here - I do love it here, though as you point out there are definitely some stressful flaws.

      Healthcare here is messed up. Not the quality (which is typically very high), but the price. Having insurance tied to employment never made sense to me either.

      Personally, I actually love driving and owning a car. I just think cars are really cool and I like wrenching on them. Everything I could need is within a 10-15 minute drive and I never have to worry about there not being enough parking. That said, you are correct that car ownership is basically required - although I have been to cities in the US that have decent public transportation. Not European level good, but decent.

      At my job I get 4 weeks paid vacation and “unlimited” sick days (they say unlimited but of course they have the ability to deny them if they find you are abusing them). My bosses will actually hunt people down who HAVENT used all their vacation days and encourage them to do so. They have realized that productivity is tied to employee happiness so they try to keep us happy. Now, none of that is government mandated but I just mention it to prove that not everyone here has a job that treats them like crap. I agree that this stuff should be guaranteed though. For reference, I work in IT and make less than 100k.

      Tipping is definitely a weird thing and I would be glad to never have to think about it again.

    • @[email protected]
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      As someone who spent roughly half my life in the US and the other half in EU, this is very accurate as to my experience in each place. In the US my life constantly felt balanced on a knife edge like everything could fall apart at any moment. When I moved to the EU, even though I didn’t speak the language or grow up there, I breathed a big sigh of relief. I felt like my life was finally manageable.

      I think this causes a ton of mental illness in the US that we just don’t see in the EU. Most people I know in the US are on the constant verge of a breakdown and basically just disassociating themselves from reality (usually using drugs, alcohol, religion, or some combination thereof). I think this is why Americans so badly need to put on a happy face. If they didn’t, they’d all have a simultaneous mental breakdown.

    • AggressivelyPassive
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      America is a developing country with a Guccu bag.

      There are some rich areas, but even there, the vast majority of people are poor and live under not-great conditions.

      I think the “pursuit of happiness” mindset is still very strong over there. You’re only poor because of yourself, not because rich people fucked you over. So you can’t really complain, because it’s your fault.

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    I went recently to the USA for the first time and the thing that put me off was the tips you need to pay.

    Having the employee paid on customers whim felt wrong, but also probably dictates how kind they may be compared to waiters in France I guess. Also, the price, considering the tip, felt very expensive when I was always told that France was expensive because of all the taxes and charges companies have to pay for our social benefits. I guess the high price is because the plates are very generous in size.

    Also I felt like it was the closest society from anarchy somehow and it felt weird