How out of touch do you need to be to offer something lower than Walmart’s starting wage? And how many times have we heard this lie?
The headline is a little misleading, she said “at least $15” not that she wants it necessarily at exactly $15/hr and no more
Either way it’s still another bullshit lie to lead people to the polls. The day after the election it will never be brought up again
Except Democrats did try to pass $15 after the last election. It didn’t work and a bunch of the worst ones defected, but it wasn’t just quietly forgotten.
They let the unelected parliamentarian say they couldn’t do it. The person that has zero power in congress
Then they had a vote and failed to pass it. But they didn’t just quietly ignore the campaign.
Sanders led the group that called for the vote. As centrists are so delighted to point out when it’s convenient to them, Sanders is not a Democrat.
If it were up to Democrats, they would have thrown up their hands and gleefully announced that there was nothing they could do. Sanders is the reason you can pretend that Democrats don’t hate workers.
Oh please. This started as a simple false statement and now you’re moving the goalposts for them. The Democrats didn’t just propose $15 and “the day after the election it [was] never brought up again”. They tried, maybe they could have tried more, but that they weren’t even close to 50 suggests any path was a failure. They did have 40-something Democrats though, aka the vast majority of the party. That there are shitty Democrats isn’t a revelation.
And this idea that Sanders isn’t a Democrat in any meaningful way is fun trivia, not something a person who is attempting to engage in meaningful conversation about politics takes seriously. He caucuses with them, wins the Democratic primary in his state, competes to lead the party, and supports Democratic nominees even when they’re from the other end of the party. The centrists are disingenuous idiots but so are the leftists who do the exact same thing. Sanders likes the aesthetic of “independent”, good for him, he’s still on team (D) and not remotely the only good senator on it.
At least it’s a bullshit lie that appeals to the left, I’ve been getting tired of the Democrats’ campaign strategy of “we need to move further right.”
They are saying shit like this because they see they are bleeding the left leaning vote. They will still keep going to the right.
“The left doesn’t like our party.”
“Let’s go more conservative to appeal to voters who are probably ok with voting for the more fascistic candidate.”
“We’re losing support among leftists, better double down on being conservative.”
The Democrats lose the election.
“Why would the Left do this?”
“Clearly we didn’t move far enough to the right. The left are unreliable voters who don’t appreciate everything we do for the right.”
I can get a two dollar raise…
Well it’s better than the FUCKING CONCENTRATION CAMP I’d get from the other guy
Yeah except the concentration camps come with free room and board.*
*Charges for the room and board will be deducted from your earnings as a slave.
That’s great!
Certain burger-flipping former presidents have legal fees to pay and this goes a LONG way to making due.
Hmmm…sounds a lot like vote buying.
I would love to see the Trump campaign vow to quadruple the minimum wage just to watch people on this site do their mental gymnastics to convince themselves that Trump doesn’t have the power to do so, but Harris does.
TIL vote buying is when you propose policies that people want and, not say, running a 1 million dollar lottery to sign a pro-trump petition
I guess we’re about to find out if Elon has better lawyers than Mr Beast
On the one hand, he’s richer. On the other hand, when he decided he didn’t want to buy Twitter after all, even his lawyers couldn’t get him out of that one.
There it is, ladies and gentlemen, the dumbest take off the day.
Even before Trump became the blubbering mess he is today, we’ve had 4 years of seeing him welch on every promise he’s ever made. Why should anyone believe his campaign promises now?
Why, just a few days he vowed to use the United States military against citizens he doesn’t like, such as Nancy Pelosi, which is patently illegal and gross. Imagine if Obama, Biden or Harris had said that at any point, you’d be up in arms!
You’ve let his propaganda convince you that he’s on your team, so now you have to win no matter what, even if his policies are directly against your interests and freedoms as a human.
Woosh
Look through the original commenter’s post history. They aren’t joking. They keep posting pro-trump stuff
Well, that was a bad idea.
I would also love to see that!
Please Donald Trump, vow to quadruple the minimum wage! I promise it will cause doublethink among the libs and help your campaign!!
You seem to be under the impression that people hate Trump for being trump and not because he has dogshit policies and ideas.
If he did good things, like raising the minimum wage, liberals wouldn’t hate him. But he also wouldn’t have the rabid base of morons that he currently has.
After all he’s done so far, I would vehemently disagree. He’s a known liar, convicted fraudster, and a racist, misogynistic narcissist. Nothing he could do would make liberals hate him less before the day he dies because he doesn’t have enough years left in his lifespan to atone for what’s already been done.
Doubling the federal minimum wage would be $14.50 not $15
Actually it would be $14.50 if you want to get really pedantic
Don’t know where the 5 went :/ It should have been there.
And note that her wording was “at least $15”, so she’s signaling openness to doing more than that
Wow, so you are building up accounts to sell huh?
I saw this EXACT comment on a different post just yesterday from another username.
These account farmers are LAZY!
Are you sure? Becasuse that was probably me on this same account. On a different post on the exact same topic, I made a comment clarifying the same thing
Edit: searching for “at least $15” across lemmy on my instance only has my own comments come up
Good, because “fight for $15” has been going on so long that the real number to regain parity with what minimum wage used to be is a lot higher than that by now.
it’s $22 now
$15.05 an hour! Increasing at a rate of 11 cents per year from the current minimum of $7.25 Except tipped workers; they still get $2.13.
fight for 15 years late
Oh.
My minded automatically corrected that as “doubling from 15 to 30”. Because that’s what it needs to be, at least.
What’s the basis for $30/hr? First time seeing that number in the wild.
Y’all really making this Reddit with less content. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Because we’ve been arguing it should be at least 15 for 10 years, and inflation is a bitch and if federal minimum wage had tracked with inflation since it was implemented, it would be closer to 30 bucks an hour than to 15.
I understand your sentiment, but if that’s your policy basis, you’d be asking for $10/hr instead of $15.
Not necessarily a bad idea, I just wanted to know how that number was generated, because without that data, it’s not necessarily a good idea either.
Just read the comments, the data is there.
If you read the comments, it’s actually not. Inflation alone doesn’t account for pinning wages near $30, so that’s not really a good explanation given that it’s nonfactual. Even if he’s considering the living wage instead of historical minimums, $30 is still about 30% higher than what an average living wage would be. Is there some other consideration he has that I’m missing? I wouldn’t know without asking due to an unfortunate lack of psychic powers.
Anyways, sorry I asked for the policy reasoning behind a policy position. It clearly offended many, I realize my mistake, and won’t bring that kind of nonsense around here again.
And it should be all at once. The instant it’s passed, $30/hr. None of us got eased into it when gas prices and grocery prices and rent and health insurance went up.
I think the common sentiment is that minimum wage should be rated annually tied to a major factor on how much spending power that money has like inflation or productivity.
Minimum wage started in 1938 at $0.25. if it kept up with inflation today that would be $5.59, which is far from enough to survive with even the most basic rent and groceries.
“”" The dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.68% per year between 1938 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 2,136.18%.“”"
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1938?amount=0.25
Productivity however has decoupled from wages decades ago, here’s the EPI graph most reference:
If we re-coupled those values for minimum wage today that would be much higher. 3 years ago CBS reported it would be about $26: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/
Where did that money go instead of paying fair wages?
Nice breakdown. And I agree that the better solution would be to figure out which metric to tie minimum wage to. I don’t really think throwing out a number every few years like the original reply I was responding to suggested is helpful. But it seems wildly popular here.
And out comes the abacus.
Insightful
I’m seeing 21.50 from articles in 2020 tying min wage to productivity. Maybe that’s the number basis? Or living wage? A living wage per state adjustment for one adult with one child seems to put lw around 30 in a lot of states, with the single adult needing 13-20.
All good possible points, but only one person in this thread can answer what the number basis is, so who knows.
This was literally her supposed signature issue when she was running with Biden.
She didn’t fight for it at all.
Whaaaaat??
A politician making a bunch of claims right before an election and then never following through on them?
Say it ain’t so! Not in my America!
Yeah it’s lying season. Both sides are telling us what they think we want to hear.
This election does seem a little weird. Kamala feels like more of the same but Tim walz is right, Trump and his supporters are really kind of weird and creepy.
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Wait, doubling it -to- 15 dollars an hour? Holy shit, I knew it was bad, but that is insane. Ours is already starting to feel too low at 17.40 here in Canada, granted that is about the equivalent of around $12.50 USD. So it’s lower than what she is proposing, maybe if she manages it, we’ll be able to get ours up.
Most states have their own minimum wage laws at this point. Not all of them. So this will help a handful of mostly-red states.
It varies by province and at the federal level in Canada, 17.40 is for BC specifically, Alberta and Saskatchewan are the lowest at 15, Nunavut is the highest at 19 and it’s 17.30 for jobs under federal jurisdiction.
The last place I worked upped their minimum wage to $10 an hour. It certainly wasn’t because of benevolence or federal shifts…they slowly realized that when you pay the absolute minimum, you only attract the minimum talent, and most of those positions had very high turnover rates that were costing the company more than it’d be to just raise the starting pay rates.
It was cheaper to pay those positions more money.
Unfortunately in my state where the minimum wage is higher than the federal, many service industry companies refuse to learn that lesson. Or they think 16 cents above minimum wage is enough to attract top tier talent.
It’d only put the US at 5th in the world for minimum wage, which considering the cost of living in the US vs most other countries.
TBF developed countries like Switzerland don’t have a minimum wage law, but have near universal union representation.
Yeah, the states have been moving towards 15, but the national minimum wage has been stuck for a few decades. And also yes, 15 is already way too low.
Even the McDonalds around here know that even the most desperate laugh at 7.25 an hour
What the fuck is with that horrible picture jesus CHRIST
I doubt many people make anywhere close to minimum, but no excuse not to raise it!
5-years ago? Yep, we had tons of clients paying rock bottom, or close enough. I’m not in the payroll business anymore, but the jobs my wife was looking at as a preschool teacher were $12+, and that job always pays shit. Walmart and Target start at $15, or more.
All this is a small town where you would expect small wages. I was in Manhattan in 1992 and was astounded at the prices. Ask my native friend how people survived on minimum wage. He looked at me funny and laughed, “Dude. No one gets minimum wage. $10 is as low as it goes.”
Good news on one of those shit paying clients! They were really hurting and the new CEO turned everything around in a couple of years. At that time, they started paying $12, paying benefits and paying for education.
Economies work from the bottom up and never the top down. The more money people have, the more money they can spend, and thus the more goods and services they can buy, and thus the more demand there is, and thus the more supply there will be.
This has been my argument for years. If you want a strong economy have a strong middle class…they’re the ones with the disposable income.
I doubt many people make anywhere close to minimum, but no excuse not to raise it!
That’s in fact one of the best reasons to raise it as it’s a clear indicator it’s failing to perform its purpose. We know there are exploitative employers who will pay as low as they possibly can and nothing has changed in our economy or country to suggest that the market now naturally provides a baseline living wage, so it rarely being in effect is a big flashing red sign that it’s woefully out of date.
Surely we’ll get it this time.
$15/hr works out to be about 30k/yr. That’s not enough to live on. We need a $30 minimum wage. It needs to be indexed to both inflation as well as congressional salary. If they get a raise, everyone gets a raise.
And while we’re at it, we need to improve and standardize how we measure inflation. Big screen TVs getting cheaper doesn’t matter to most people.
Canadian but same problem here. Long term we need UBI worldwide if we plan on ever moving forward as a species.
Short term we need benefits for those less fortunate keyed to inflation at a bare minimum. In Ontario people with disabilities are paid below the poverty line. It’s disgusting.
Yeah that fight for 15 was in 2016. We are way past that fight needs to be fucking 25 to 30. But watch every single fucking Republican will vote against any increases of minimum wage. 7.25 is a fucking joke and law makers should be fucking ashame of themselves.
Actually any of them vote no on a raise should have all their money seized and made to live on minimum wage for 5 years.
Law makers should be making 7.25 an hour, and only when they are on the floor.
Why not pay everyone fairly instead of incentivizing further corruption through bribery? I’m definitely not going to dispute that they should be paid for the quality and quantity of results generated in terms of legislation…
IMO government work should be volunteer, but you get your clothes, food, and living expenses paid for our of a set budget. You take no salary and accept no bribes, you live in “Government City”. Essentially your finances go null entropy while in office. You do a good job? Public likes you? Private sector likes you? You’re top of the list for top paying jobs when you step down.
But only AFTER you do the good work we need leaders to do for us.
All of the Representative jobs used to be part time. ie People had real jobs that earned their living, and they also did their government work on top of that. And that was when travel took forever.
In other words, one of the primary reasons we are at this point today, is because far too many politicians realized they could simply bilk the State, while doing fuckall for careers spanning 30-40-50 YEARS.
If we take President Biden as an example, the man was elected to the US Senate in 1972! And there are many such examples.
And what’s been the outcome? A better democratic process? No. Higher quality of life for citizens? No. More competitive American goods in the Intl marketplace? No.
So what are we getting for our dollars? And why would we want these fossils (regardless of Party) to remain? They’re clearly not serving American interests.
