Shoutout to our hard-working maintainers, first of all.
Wanted to open a space for the community to discuss this aspect of marketing/identity.
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This is sh.itjust.works, not fragile.nitpicker.justworks AWOO AWOO AWOO
The anti-gtld propaganda is spicy hot lately, anything non-.com is a keyboard rage trigger.
A lot of people have uneducated opinions on gtlds, but as a professional DNS engineer: fuck gtlds. They’re literally corporate cash grabs that make my work much, much harder and actively make the Internet worse.
Thanks for proving my point lol how do gtlds make your work much, much harder??
actively worse
😂😂😂
how do gtlds make your work much, much harder??
Since you’ve shown vague interest in my field, allow me to elaborate!
gtlds add a ton of complexity to managing DNS. Every new gtld means more configurations to deal with, which makes things way more prone to errors. On top of that, they make monitoring and security tougher since we have to constantly watch for threats from an ever-growing list of domains—more phishing, more typosquatting, more headaches. It’s also a pain when systems don’t play nice with certain gtlds, leading to random bugs or outages we have to troubleshoot. And let’s not forget the user confusion. People are used to .com or .org, so we end up fielding extra support requests, trying to explain what these domains even are which means I have to explain repeatedly to executives to NOT use some gimmicky gtld for their new site. When users are upset because “thewebsiteimanage.hot” is a porn site, thats a huge problem. Defensive domains are a nightmare and get worse every time a new gltd is created.
That’s a lot of hats for one person to wear, no wonder you’re having so much trouble managing your configuration. Sounds like it’d be easier to have a single registry with an open top dot and delegate all that management.
Hm, so to explain the problem better: I work for a large organization that has many sites. Part of that is managing all the names. We have over 500 domains and 75% of them are defensive domains. For example, if I have companysite.com then I also must have companysite.net and .org and .co and so on and so forth. They all redirect to companysite.com
I wonder if companysite. would be more expensive than a portfolio. There’s value in identity trust and countless ways to do that but the Internet gravitated to squirreling away domain names.
So, if you want to be a registrar, it is a considerable responsibility, cost, and effort. It also doesn’t solve the original problem. Users will still go to companysite.com because that’s what they think it is. Trying to tell users to go to companysite. would be damn near impossible without giving a quick DNS 101 lesson. Also, your SEO would be fuuucked. Good luck selling that to any exec. As for your concern with the Internet choosing to go with delegating domains, it’s actually critical to how we run DNS. Imagine if every single lookup had to contact the root servers. Every single email. Every single ping. Icann would have to be the size of Google. This also means that requirements for being a tld would be significantly reduced which would greatly compromise the Internet if any of them went rogue.
Fuck them. Variety of thought is why I’m here. The tankies suck, but I think of them as a palate cleanser after the right wing crap in mainstream media.
Shhhh 🤫 it just works, there’s no need for change
As a shitter on the shitter I vote the name stays.
I’ll take that to Matrix and my grave. 🤣
chose the instance because of the name, stuck for the uptime, reliability and admins
Shit just works 🤷🏻♂️
The name says it all!
Same, came here to say this.
Same here. If people don’t like it, fuckem 🤷♂️. I’ll find it all the funnier because of it.
Yeah, but at the end of the day we either want Lemmy to grow, or we don’t. And if we make it difficult or awkward for people to use Lemmy, then we’re shooting ourselves in the foot if our goal is to grow Lemmy’s user base.
this is just my opinion but taking away personality to appeal to a wider audience is one of the worst things modern megacorps do, the strength of the fediverse is the power it gives to individuals and communities over corporations with money, and so personality is one of the things the fediverse needs to maintain to succeed
100% agree, well said
We’re not the Borg?
It is an an immune system against the normies.
I am dead serious. I think it’s a good idea. It won’t last forever before they think it’s cool and start adopting it, but it’ll work for a while.
Normie filter, based in Canada, less tankies, fun name. I mean those are strong selling points.
I Iike both slrpnk and blahaj but it’s not like their domain names are magically not also part of this alphabet soup they’re talking about.
It’s… kinda the point of federation and decentralization.
Sure, Reddit or Facebook have brand recognition, they’re also centralized corpo garbage.If a blahaj user wants to share a SJW post, but finds the sjw domain untasteful, they can also just share their instance’s URL for said post.
This comment would be more relevant a year down the line if perspectives shifted and users begged for sanitization, but:
Is it technically challenging or financially costly or otherwise problematic to mirror content to another subdomain, or domain mask or something? I thought of this after seeing oldsh.itjust.works:
try.itjust.works leg.itjust.works share.itjust.works subm.itjust.works(2 & 4 don’t work as well as the current split word)
No reply requested unless it seems like it would be fun/interesting to type one
I’m not an expert on the specific of this, but changing the domain for the UI (as in oldsh.itjust.works) seems a lot easier than changing the domain for the backend, which includes federation with all other instances.
I don’t know of any way to change the federated stuff without breaking pretty much everything and starting over.
Maybe there is and I just don’t know about it, or maybe there could be an easier way at some point.
Amazingly few users seem to realize this can be done.
I think most (especially mobile) clients simply don’t have this option and will always copy/share the “fedi link” - the url where the content is canonically hosted. all other URLs are simply cached representations of the original content.
Boost offers both pretty readily.
Thunder:
The default Web UI as well, the link icon is using your instance, the fediverse icon gives the commenter/poster’s instance link
Honestly, that’s one of the things I like most about lemmy.
The web UI just works fine in a mobile browser. I was so used to garbage sites going out of their way to gimp the mobile experience (to push you into their app) that I had forgotten how pleasant it was to just use a browser for this.
Multiple tabs, ublock origin, bookmarks, etc.
I appreciate that there are apps available, but it’s nice not needing an app.
I think it’s just for comments?
I’ve been wanting the same for posts for some time now
It works for posts on the default UI
Thunder has it for posts and comments.
Ditto, i thought i was going nuts, but yeah its only for comments, not for sharing a post
I started on lemmy.ml because I thought it was “the default one” to some extent. Learned that was a mistake pretty fast. Glad I found this one.
I think the same thing is why lemmy.world is as big as it is. “Well that must be the default one, it says lemmy and it’s for the whole world.”
I may be remembering it wrong, but I think world was one of the few accepting people without a referral during the reddit migration. That’s why I use .world. I also don’t really understand federation besides it means I can see other instances, but I only barely know what that means. There were a lot of “what is the fediverse” posts when I first joined, and they were helpful, but maybe too simplified?
I also remember thinking .world and .ml were the defaults when I started.
It’s very inviting! Unless you want to say anything bad about anybody for any reason.
Can’t imagine that’ll come up.
lol I hadn’t seen the acronymized instance name. was the fact that it’s sjw intentional?
I was there all those years ago…
The owner had the domain itjust.works, and was in some large thread asking what subdomain they should use, and some genius said “sh”.
Glad I revisited this thread and caught this. Thank you!
beautiful instance lore
all those years ago
Is it that many? I thought the server was younger than 2…
Yeah it was a little over a year ago lol
Yeah I recall the thread. There were quite a few suggestions none of which I can remember now. Sh was just so good.
We’re all someone’s SJW.
yeah, who would ever be on such an instance
haha
You don’t owe anything to anyones prudishness.
That’s partly why I’m here. I don’t want a big place where every normie shows up, and it just becomes facebook. Does this specific sever want to become a mega-platform?
For heroin! It binds together all life.
Why would we have opioid receptors if we weren’t Made to opiate?!
What’s the point of VIP if no one’s there to see you being a PI?
I’d love it if the fediverse as a whole grew to that size. Any individual instance? No. That’s kind of the whole point of the fediverse.
Literally joined because of the name
Firmly agree. It sounds both a) fun, and b) wildly reliable. The two things I needed back when I was a Lemmy newb
It is a decent normie filter lol
They can join lemmy.world for regime sponsored front
You can link from almost any other instance. This is a skill issue.
Eh, I chose this instance because it was one of the top 5 or so, not because of the name. I would probably hesitate to share a link from this instance, but honestly, I don’t do that anyway, I generally just share links to actual articles linked here.
So for me, it’s really a non-issue. I have much larger concerns about how Lemmy works in general than naming of any one site, such as the one mentioned in the OP (no indication from domain name that it’s a Lemmy instance, one instance lagging on updates can break when viewed from other instances, etc). So to me, it’s going to stay niche because the user experience kind of sucks.
If people can’t handle the word shit, they probably shouldn’t be looking at shit on Lemmy. Lmao
Harumph of agreement!
The commenter themselves used big f potty word 😱
Must have goody two-shoes friends
You got it lol
Was just about to link you to this post!
In my post, I removed the link to the original thread after someone in this comment section forgot to attack the idea instead of the person. Tsk tsk, chilling effects when we do that!
RE: chilling: It’s hard to find an idea expressed yet which is not shared by others. Attack the person, and the opinion stays, but in the future it may be hidden from view. And that’s just not better for anyone.
Thanks for sparking a big discussion!
