the neonazis and white supremicists and basically all the butthurt bumpkins will
I’m not so worried about what they’re both saying as much as the fact that they’re both actively supporting a holocaust.
this kind of rhetoric will never work against somebody who was already president. Her campaign has made a mistake, which honestly shouldn’t be big enough to crash the election but its the US and the electoral college who the fuck knows how 5000 psychopaths in swing states are going to vote after being bombarded with record breaking levels of insane propaganda…
It should be clear that the easy way to campaign on trump is to hit him hard in the economy: He had to bailout farmers because of his first round of tariffs. US steel still hasn’t recovered. Trump tariffs will not only raise prices but the resulting bailouts will drastically increase inflation and eventually he will run out of scapegoats to blame his failures on so however loyal to trump you seem to be, eventually he will blame you and send the military on you for criticizing him
edit: Just to clarify what she’s saying is correct, its just that voters swayable to this argument have already picked sides.
I really don’t understand why neither the Harris or Biden campaign just roiled out footage of the Covid-19 lockdown in a short film titled “Literally the last time this motherfucker was in charge”
Cause ya know, that would work…
They’re holding pat with, “Hey, we’re not the other guy. And that should be enough.”
And anyone who says, well maybe that’s not enough, gets lambasted.
Yeah, but you could say “We’re not the other guy… who did THIS, and that should be enough.”, point out WHY the other guy is bad…
It’s “Oh yeah, we never actually asked him what he believed would make America great again… whoops.” from 2016 all over again.
In my heart of hearts, I still feel like we’re heading to a Kamela victory, but then we look at the polls…
Does she really wants the answer to that or is that a joke question?
Rich coming from administration that veto every call for ceasefire or humanitarian aid against a genocide happening life on the internet. Since start of this October people in Jabalia has been under a clear plan of genocide, burned alive in hospital beds, an no where to go.
Supporting a genocidal regime is the same as supporting hitler.
Cool but since you’re such a smarty, you know that Harris is not the head of the current regime, so only a fucking idiot would think that voting for her is tacitly giving a pass to genocide, and only a colossal idiot would think Trump is a better choice, and only a titanic idiot would abstain from voting in such a consequential election.
Since you didn’t bother even to gloss over the basics I assume you agree. On account of how very very smart and clever you are.
And you think Trump will be better? No, Jill Stein isn’t going to win.
Well Trump is also saying good things about Genocide that’s what the article about.
Pot calling the kettle black.
That’s his point exactly.
If your only two choices are genocide 1 and genocide 2 then you’ve fucked up pretty bad as a country
Hell this country has only been around 300 years and it’s started more wars than most people can count.
Isn’t it common knowledge at this point that Jill Stein is literally a spoil candidate who only ever seems to exist every four years as a “I’m a Leftist, but I only have bad things to say about Democrats, what a coincidence?” candidate with an uncomfortably large amount of ties to Russia?
You would think so, right?
Isn’t it common knowledge at this point that Jill Stein is literally a spoil candidate
To all but the most naive it is.
He didn’t say that, you just jumped into but Jill stein
They think any anti-harries statement is Pro Russia and Pro Trump and calls for Stein vote.
I am not a US citizen, and the US foreign policy never change between the two parties and I will never advocate or try to tell people who to vote for.
the US foreign policy never change between the two parties
This is such a reductionist take on an incredibly broad and complex topic that I have to wonder whether you’re joking.
Because a lot of the “Democrats are pro genocide” crew seem to be Stein stans. Maybe he’s not, but the point was that there are two possible outcomes of the election in November and saying “I can’t vote for someone who’s pro-genocide” is a bullshit copout.
It really is considering one is merely twiddling their thumbs as Palestine burns, the option that isn’t Harris aspires to be literally Hitler.
Ya think if you gave a shit about genocide you’d, I dunno… Not want to risk “Literally Hitler” getting into power?
Genocide occurs with either one. Get a clue. If you dont like it, tell your reps and stfu about peoples voting decisions. Its not your place to judge their decisions with their votes.
If harris loses because of her support for genocide thats on her for not reading the room in two of only 5 states that matter.
Sucks to be her and the Democrats but thems the breaks when your partisan and incapable of doing the right thing
Didn’t they already do that at least once?
The direct Hitler praise hadn’t come out before 2016. There were certainly many other serious red flags though.
Yes because there’s a lot of Nazis and Nazi sympathizers in America currently.
I understand the concept of appealing to a better nature but, ma’am this is America. We still revere Henry Ford, we imported Nazi scientists because of some self imposed space race. Outside of WW2, (where we didn’t even voluntary join we needed to be attacked first) our history shows were far far more likely to ignore or tacitly support fascism. Be careful asking questions you don’t want the answer to Harris.
Reagan: “If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism”
The politically literate: “But, Ronny, you’re a (neo)liberal!”
We still revere Henry Ford
I wonder how many Americans know about Ford’s quest to reignite antisemitism in Europe by foisting “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” books at every one of his overseas car dealerships.
I wonder if we’ll shove all Elon Musk’s reactionary bullshit down the rabbit hole when his legacy think tank full of right wing psychos is sponsoring the next generation of History Channel and TLC episodes.
ML loves him.
I’m voting for harris but I had no clue about lemmy or what i was doing when I signed up lol, at least it wasn’t hexbear. I’m probably just going to stop using this website though due to the amount of people who are hostile towards me just because of something next to my name, literally some lame reddit shit, but that makes sense when you realize this website is just snobby redditors who got too snobby for reddit
Edit: you guys are actually dumber than redditors, im off this shit platform that’s never gonna succeed anyway, you are all the worst embodiment of a “redditor” adios I’ll just talk to my real life friends more often lmao
I think most of us got banned too many times.
Yeah, it sucks. I wouldn’t attribute it to a platform but just to how we are. It’s tribalism for one part, and people attributing malice to just plain ignorance. I don’t mean ignorance as a negative, but just unaware of the politics / social dynamics of the instance you decided to create an account on
Well you can migrate your account, you know, away from that pro dictatorship site and just carry on as usual.
Some ml users, I’m sure, are good people.
They’re eating the dogs!
literally some lame reddit shit
Its literally not, though? Its a specific website full of people who generally have a low intelligence (whether real or faked) and the incessant need to argue, usually in bad faith.
Lemmy shows your site of origin for a reason, communities tend to be similar to each other. You chose one that has earned community hate unknowingly, but you can just migrate if you don’t like it
Or, keep whining and saying snarky shit like “snobby redditors who got too snobby for reddit” because that actually fits in perfectly with how whiney .ml users tend to be
Ty for proving my point
Discriminating against someone for an entirely voluntary association is valid. There is nothing tying you to ml and it’s not an inate part of who you are, you’re using an account on it of your own free will.
Complains about who they willingly associate with
Refuses to change said association despite it being easy
Blames others for having a bad view of their associates rather than their associates for their behaviour
Yeah, you belong on .ml for sure
You just proved his point entirely lol
Yes. Yes they will.
He sleeps with My New Order by Hitler next to his bed. Wants to be a dictator on day 1. Sees good people at a Nazi march. Wants generals like Hitler’s. By George he just may be a Nazi. - Edited
He sleeps with Mein Kampf next to his bed.
Not Mein Kampf, but rather My New Order, which is a collection of Hitler’s speeches. Trump is a fan of Hitler’s propaganda and rhetoric specifically.
Does he actually read though? Dude is weird, I guess, maybe its like some kind of security blanket; we gotta love the most racist guy we can find even though he lost his wars and shot himself in the head.
But her emails, I mean but his son’s laptop, I mean…
Never did I suspect this Stephen Lynch song to not feel completely outlandish.
Didn’t Hitler’s generals try to assassinate Hitler?
The only good thing they did, well tried to do.
Yes, pretty sure it may have been multiple times. Rommel was implicated in one of the plots and was why he was forced to commit suicide.
After they started losing I believe they did.
Hitler wasn’t all bad, he did kill Hitler.
Shame he waited until the end, instead of doing it at the start though.
I really wish Fascists would just follow their leader in a “We all know where this is going, let’s just skip to the end.” sense
I can only read this guy’s name in Chris Barrie’s voice. God damn it Red Dwarf
Per the book, [former chief of staff] Kelly explained to Trump that German generals “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off.” “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the president is said to have responded.
…I’m not used to hearing the word “totally” in an unironic and non-sarcastic context.
Even Hitler tried to assassinate Hitler
His success is his greatest achievement
Yes, but you have to remember Trump’s a “Very Stable Genius”
Some of them will.
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There is the autobahn… thankfully the US already has what is probably the best highway system in the world, so NOT a reason to elect Trump.
He just completed the already planned roads…
“the best highway system in the world”
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He said he wanted his military generals to look like Hitler’s
In their book, The Divider: Trump in the White House, Peter Baker and Susan Glasser reported that Trump asked John Kelly, his chief of staff at the time, “Why can’t you be like the German generals?”
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According to Baker and Glasser, Kelly explained to Trump that German generals “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off.” This correction did not move Trump to reconsider his view: “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the president responded.
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This week, I asked Kelly about their exchange. He told me that when Trump raised the subject of “German generals,” Kelly responded by asking, “‘Do you mean Bismarck’s generals?’” He went on: “I mean, I knew he didn’t know who Bismarck was, or about the Franco-Prussian War. I said, ‘Do you mean the kaiser’s generals? Surely you can’t mean Hitler’s generals? And he said, ‘Yeah, yeah, Hitler’s generals.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-military-generals-hitler/680327/
There aren’t many things in life that are truely black and white. That being said, hitler IS one of those things.
Hitler = bad guy.
There is no arguement. None. NONE.
Zip it.
I never said he was a good guy? I just said that not everything he did was bad.
Are you disagreeing that his vision about the Autobahn or the founding of Volkswagen or the construction of things like the Olympiastadion are not good things despite the huge amount of horrible shit he did?
Are you not acknowledging that he was more charismatic in his speeches than many other people despite all the hateful things he fueled using that skill?How is it so hard to see someone that’s clearly an enemy of everything we stand for today as a human and not as some supernatural evil? I think doing this is just helping the populists divide their countries even faster. There needs to be an understanding of why people follow those kind of guys and which things they are doing are not inherently evil to see why people were drawn to those characters.
I’m not saying you should compromise with Nazis. I’m in fact politically active here in Germany to oppose the CDU making deals with the AfD on a local level. I’m only saying that even the Nazis didn’t do things because they wanted to be evil - they did it because they had a different (horrible) vision of the world. I think it’s important to not see anyone as 100% evil as that is just a very cheap way to not have to think about uncomfortable things
Volkswagen used forced labor from concentration camps. I don’t think there’s any way to argue that a company built upon human suffering isn’t evil - or at least wasn’t at the time.
The Autobahn was built using forced labor of re-education camps, prisoners of war, prison inmates, and Jews from concentration camps. If the Wright Brothers made the first powered flight in an aircraft built of human flesh from murdered victims, nobody sane would be celebrating their achievement.
There is NOTHING honorable about causing harm to others so you can have more for yourself.
Damn, if only there was someone in history other than Hitler to praise for investing in infrastructure, speaking charismatically, and being in power while other people built cool buildings. 🤨
Guess we’ll have to ignore the extremely obvious context of praising Hitler for any reason whatsoever, because it’d be terrible to be unnuanced about a mass murdering bigot.
I’m not praising Hitler at all. I’m only saying that people are deliberately ignoring that he didn’t do everything he did because he wanted to be evil, but because he had a (horrible) vision for the world. And not all aspects of that vision where inherently evil.
Humans just have the tendency to put everything into boxes of good or bad. It’s uncomfortable if something is not fitting 100% into one of those boxes. And from my experiences people almost never fit 100% into those boxes.
Even serial killers sometimes have grandmas they lovingly took care of.
Even child-rapists have friends they support when they need help.Sure they still are monsters - but they still are humans, too
I’m not praising Hitler at all.
You very much are, just not praising him for the bad things he did
I thought given the subject of the thread it was obvious that I was referring to Trump praising Hitler, not that I was accusing you of praising him.
And given the state of the world, I devote about as much energy to caring about the dehumanization of Hitler as I do for the welfare of Guinea worms. In a perfect world, sure, everyone should have an understanding that everyone is a person and not a cartoon caricature. And that world is never going to exist if you stand around letting presidents praise fucking Hitler.
I’m not sure I’m particularly clear about the distinction you’re trying to make between wanting to be evil, and having a world view that requires you to do a ton of evil stuff.
If we humans have agency, then surely our worldview is at least somewhat a decision we’re culpable for.
Also, there are times it’s appropriate to discuss certain topics, and times it is not. A dissertation about the upsides of Hitler is not relevant to Trump being compared to Hitler, unless you intend to make the argument that Trump being like Hitler might also have some upsides.
Save it for where it belongs: a history book.
There are people that get off on other people suffering and that want to create as much suffering as possible.
Those people are evil.
Hitler had an agency that saw people suffering as a means to an ends. That doesn’t excuse any of it and taking that route to get to that goal certainly is an evil decision, but that doesn’t automatically make the goal a bad one (in this case it was since the Holocaust was pretty much the goal and not just the way there).
Perhaps I’m using the wrong words as it’s not my native language but I think there are things he did that aren’t automatically bad just because it was Hitler who did them. That’s not praising the guy - it just acknowledges that even a broken clock is right twice a day and not always showing the wrong time by default.
Do you actually think that’s what Trump likes about him? It appears black and white to us because we know that ain’t it.
No of course not - Trump’s a huge buffoon that loves dictators just for the fact that they are dictators. I was just referencing the “Are You Really Going to Elect a Guy Who Has Good Things to Say About Hitler?”-Part, since that in itself for me is not automatically a negative.
Ignoring that Hitler had positive traits, too, and pretending that people voted for a guy that was evil in all aspects is convenient but very dangerous - especially since it enables people voting for populists like Trump to pretend that he can’t be as bad as Hitler (which is probably the case - but if Hitler is painted as this absolute evil it’s actually very easy to make this claim without a second though. If you see Hitler as an opportunistic asshole that wasn’t inherently evil just for the sake of it then that comparison is a lot closer.
Demonizing Hitler as some kind of comic-book villain is ignoring how complex the situation leading up to him becoming leader of the Third Reich was and how people didn’t see him for how bad he was until it was too late.
Under the circumstances it seems such a small quibble to spill so much ink over, unless you are trying to make the larger point that we ought to be more aware of the conditions that make the rise of a bloody-handed dictator possible in the first place? I think that would be worth talking about, but the point was difficult to see at first.
Nobody needs to invoke Hitler to say infrastructure spending is good.
It was just an example because just last week someone was claiming Germany should stop using the Olympiastadion in Berlin only because it was constructed for propaganda reasons.
The fact that Hitler is responsible for that doesn’t necessarily make it bad. A horrible person can also do a few things right. You can acknowledge that without praising the guy.
