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America is like 100x more powerful than Russia, so it’s really fucking weird that an ex-president is beholden to Putin.
Putin masturbates over the thought of destroying the US. He can’t do it militarily so he does that by sowing division, spreading false narratives, putting Americans against Americans and ultimately having a US president who is his lapdog
That doesn’t explain why a former president is his lapdog. Putin has his motivations which are obvious. Trump’s motivation beyond being a greedy, selfish, morally devoid asshole are not so clear.
Well a motivation could be his narcissism (among other reasons)
Couch fucking nazis
Sure it’s weird.
His vp pick fucks couches. I’d say it’s on brand.
The whole thing is fucking weird.
But what’s weird and what governs the future lives to be lost are separate issues entirely.
If it’s weird and beholden to Putin, idk what else there is to say.
It’s the Foxbat all over again
It’s money and blackmail for sure.
My gut says that Putin has some very embarrassing dirt on Trump.
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“If you don’t vote Harris, you hate America”
Great way to convince the folks at hexbear and .ml to vote Trump
They weren’t going to vote for Harris anyways. If she magically brought peace to the middle east tomorrow, they’d find some other reason to not vote for her.
They won’t be voting in the election because 85% of them are not American.
I mean basically everyone except usamericans somewhat hates the US. Its like a love hate relationship. Cant live with them, cant live without them.
Anyone in the world who doesn’t somewhat hate their own country is kind of an idiot.
As if anyone of them is old enough to vote. They sound like 14 at most.
“see what you made me do? You made me do the exact opposite of what you’re asking me to do.”
Yeah, nah, bro, that’s not how this works. They were already going to vote Trump, no matter what.
Refusing to vote for Harris and actually voting for Trump are 2 different things, I know you can make the argument that both lead to the same outcome but they are 2 different choices
They are two different things, in the same way that running towards a rabid dog, and sitting still while a rabid dog runs towards you, are two different things
“I just don’t think the dog should have rabies in the first place” is a perfectly reasonable thing to say, and it’s not going to make the dog not have rabies
Weve reached agreement
They just showed how dumb you are tho, so yeah I guess you’re right here.
I mean, sure. In the same way that when you pull up to a traffic circle, you can go left or right. After all, they’ll both lead to the same place, right?
I hate America but don’t want Trump. What do?
vote Kamala. anything else will make you hate everywhere else in addition to America :D
nope.
tldr: If you vote for Trump, you hate America.
longer:
If you vote for Trump, you’re selfish, psychopathic, and are trying to damage the US more than it already is.
If you vote for anyone who isn’t Trump, you are helping the US take a step in the right direction.
tldr: If you vote for Trump, you hate America.
This part is true
If you vote for anyone who isn’t Trump, you are helping the US take a step in the right direction.
Until we are no longer bound by the Electoral College, this is dangerously false. “Not Trump” isn’t a candidate, and the single candidate with the most votes get the electoral votes. If Trump gets 49% and the “not Trump” votes get 51% but no single “not Trump” candidate gets above 49%, then Trump wins even though Trump got less votes than “not Trump”
The only way to meaningfully vote “not Trump” is to vote for the “not Trump” candidate who everyone is rallying around rather than throwing a stupid protest vote to a third party candidate.
If it is a protest vote, as goes your assumption without evidence? it’s dumb, but it’s their right.
most people vote on policy, so they’re voting for third party candidates that have a stronger stance on whatever policy there is.
in this particular election, Harris already achieved more effective policy change than third candidate platforms in terms of environmentalism, minority rights, and so on, so it makes logical sense to vote for her if you’re a political liberal, but if somebody wants to vote for Stein or anybody else because that candidate is more aligned with their views, that is just as valid as voting for Harris.
they are voting as they should, not as some are hoping they will be scared into voting.
voting sincerely is not “stupid”.
No. It really is. In 2016, 50,000 Pennsylvanians, including myself, voted for Jill Stein because we didn’t like Hilary. Trump won Pennsylvania by less than 50,000 votes and won the presidency.
It was fucking stupid and we wouldn’t even be discussing this piece of shit today, if we hadn’t revenge voted.
it sucks that Trump won, but your vote was valid and no third party voter was throwing their vote away.
they just lost.
Trump won for many other reasons besides third party voters.
there were a lot of bullshit tactics in 2016 that added up to way more votes lost that had a stronger impact on the election result than third-party voters sticking to their values.
shit, gerrymandering is still legal in the US and your voter registrations have practically no protection from interference. That’s insane.
If you voted according to your values, you voted well.
I get what you’re saying, because that’s what I was saying in 2016, and if more people voted third party, it WOULD make a difference in the future.
But if those third party voters vote for Harris, it would make a BIGGER difference NOW.
yup.
If you voted according to your values, you voted well.
Exactly. And while I agree, I also live somewhere that uses a variety of ranked choice voting for some elections.
If someone truly wants to vote their values they should also have some understanding of how their voting system works.
If a vote for the candidate you believe in results in your least preferred candidate getting ahead, shouldn’t you consider a compromise vote to get a candidate closer to your values in power?
“If a vote for the candidate you believe in results in your least preferred candidate getting ahead, shouldn’t you consider a compromise vote to get a candidate closer to your values in power?”
sure, and they probably do.
your statement implies that third party voters are politically illiterate and aren’t considering their vote, which doesn’t hold any water.
do you think all Harris or Trump voters are carefully considering their options?
many are voting according to a familiar primary color.
from simple logic, third-party voters are likely more politically considerate than primary color voters.
a lot of the arguments against third-party voting are arguments against voting in general.
that is usually my problem, as it is here, with complaining about third-party voting.
it is completely predicated on the assumption that 3rd party voters are making the “wrong” decision in some fundamental way that primary color voters are not, although the hypothetical flaws that could apply to a third- party voter already apply to primary color voters.
If you don’t assume that the right to vote is “wrong” for people who don’t agree with you in the first place, then your complaints about third party voting fall apart.
third party voters like a different candidate.
and that’s good and they should vote for them if they want to.
a lot of the arguments against third-party voting are arguments against voting in general.
Maybe. But with the system in place a vote for a third-party candidate is effectively an abstention. I think you’re right that they’re more politically considerate and wanting to make a difference. It’s the desire to make a difference and effectively abstaining that seems incongruous.
voting sincerely is not “stupid”.
If we ever move to some kind of ranked choice or go by the popular vote instead of this gamed Electoral College system? Sure, vote your conscience. Until then, I expect people to rub two brain cells together, see and acknowledge there is a bigger picture, and realize that their moral purity protest vote is counter-productive when everything they want will be impossible if Trump wins.
The system is broken, but that doesn’t mean you have to abandon your principles.
their vote is as valid as any other.
it may be less effective because of the adequated US electoral system, but any vote itself is as valid as any other.
“I expect people to rub two brain cells together”
they’re not dumb, you’re insulting them because they disagree with your perspective.
“see and acknowledge there is a bigger picture”
they probably understand your perspective, there’s no reason why they wouldn’t .
“and realize that their moral purity protest vote”
again, they see things differently, so you are insulting them for no reason.
people talk about third party votes incorrectly as you are here, but most third-party voters vote for the candidate they most believe in, not purely is a protest against the two-party system .
that is a false narrative constructed by the people who have fallen prey to some moral adherence two-party system.
“everything they want will be impossible if Trump wins.”
you are scared of what might happen if Trump wins. third party voters are not willing to compromise their values over their fear.
in this particular election, I don’t think there’s much argument for any of the third party candidates over Harris, but any of those votes are valid and valuable.
Sincerity doesn’t preclude stupidity. Voting to maintain an aesthetic while knowing it’s causing greater harm is stupid.
“Sincerity doesn’t preclude stupidity.”
nor does sincerity require it.
bland sort of statement, isn’t it?
“Voting to maintain an aesthetic”
is that how you vote?
try not to project your insecurities onto others.
It is their right and it’s our right, if not duty, to call them out for exercising their right to the extreme detriment of the very constitution that grants them that right.
“if not duty”
definitely not duty…
“for exercising their right to the extreme detriment…”
…since this isn’t happening.
“…that grants them that right.”
a right you are trying to bully them into not exercising because they won’t do what you say.
interfering with somebody’s right to vote is not as jingoistic as you hope to perform.
In the 2016 republican primary, Trump got 44.9% of the vote. Three “not Trump” candidates got 50.2% combined, but it was divided between them.
This explains the stupid in America’s voting system that makes “voting for not-kamala” the same as “basically voting for trump”. It sounds like idiotic extremism if you don’t have the specific context this video provides. In truth it’s just a weird aftereffect of bad voting rules. It’s worth checking out!
i’ve been well aware of us electoral problems for a long time.
I’m assuming your video is either about ranked choice voting or the electoral College?
I am happy that Americans have finally learned about ranked choice voting this election cycle and are eagerly spreading the news, I really am.
it is “idiotic extremism” to blame third party voters for systemic problems.
you want third party voters to vote like you vote.
That’s fine.
but they don’t have to listen and them voting for Jill Stein or anybody else’s just as valid as them voting for kamala.
it may not be as effective, or logical this election cycle, since Harris has already enacted so many third-party progressive policies, but everyone should vote for their preferred candidate.
yup, FPTP videos.
I am very glad Americans are finally paying attention to this part of electoral reform.
you can track down gerrymandering, registration purges, and several other significant problems in the US electoral system that actually difference your elections.
after you collect them all, it is glaringly obvious that third party voters, who vote for good candidates, unjustifiably receive the brunt of ire that should be focused on systemic electoral policies.
voting is good.
it is good that people are voting for third party candidates.
it’s great that people are voting for Harris.
voting is good.
duverger’s “law” shows that the problem with fptp is that people strategically vote, leading to party consolidation. values voting prevents party consolidation
Working to split the vote against Harris is effectively a vote for Trump and for fascism.
third party voters are not working to “split the vote”, they are voting for their preferred candidate.
also known as “voting” in healthy democracies.
and no, a vote for a different candidate is not a vote for Trump, that is fundamentally inaccurate fear-based alarmism.
it’s okay that you’re afraid, but that’s no reason to dismantle democracy.
third party voters are not working to “split the vote”, they are voting for their preferred candidate.
Unfortunately with the electoral college, it is splitting the vote. Without ranked choose voting, voting for anyone other than a D or an R is literally throwing your vote away.
No, they aren’t.
they’re living and voting according to their principles.
The system is broken, but that doesn’t mean you have to abandon your principles.
their vote is as valid as any other.
it may be less effective because of the adequated US electoral system, but any vote itself is as valid as any other.
To quote DBZa’s Android 16:
“But there you stand, the good man, doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles into blood-stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
Life isn’t some black and white fair tale story where if you stick to your guns hard enough everything will turn out ok. Sometimes you have to abandon your principles to protect them.
“…doing nothing”
voting is literally the political opposite of doing nothing.
“your rigid pacifism crumbles into blood-stained dust,”
this quote is irrelevant; it is a wildly inaccurate analogy for actively voting.
“Sometimes you have to abandon your principles to protect them.”
pffffff hAHaha sorry Chamberlain, but especially in politics, self-righteous groveling submission isn’t as honorable or as effective as the fearful snakes hissing in your ear assure you it is.
I really want this to be true, and I used to believe it, but our voting system is convoluted with a winner-takes-all mechanism. It isn’t a direct democracy where all votes are equal and it’s naive to ignore our elector-based system that encourages total domination of the big boys over everyone else.
Give me ranked choice voting and I’ll vote for my actual preferred candidate. Otherwise, I have to vote for who can actually have a chance to win.
I’m saying this sincerely: it’s fantastic that a growing minority of Americans have finally understood and begun talking about the critical flaws in their broken electoral system. it really only happened to this election cycle, as far as I can see.
living in a broken system does not invalidate your vote.
it may make their vote less effective, but a third-party vote is just as valid as any other.
they’re living and voting according to their principles.
The system is broken, but that doesn’t mean you have to abandon your principles.
their vote is as valid as any other.
duverger has nothing to do with the electoral college. this is a Gish gallop
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God, is there anywhere that isn’t full of US politics???
It’s because it’s nearing their election it’s ramping up.
Voting is already ongoing in many states, today crossed 40 million early votes. For the next 1.5wk avoiding politics and crazy advertisements for/against candidates is impossible if you live in the US. Given the size of the country and its worldwide economic dominance it’s impossible to not be impacted by US politics regardless of where you live.
Yeah the constitution totally doesn’t need a rewrite or a few extra amendments thrown in
It needs to be thrown out and restarted from scratch. The status quo is not good, it is very bad and I’m suspicious of anyone who defends it
USAmerican politics really seeps into every nook and cranny on the goddamn web. I’d much rather read about something happening in the rest of America than USAmerica. It gets really annoying…
I live here. I want Trump to lose this election so bad. Mostly because if he is elected, I do think there is a real danger of him abusing his power. That his policies may kill thousands of Americans again.
But also, because I am so fucking tired of hearing about every little thing he says. I wish we could go back to the not verging on the edge of fascism politics were I don’t have to hear or worry about what inane thing the most powerful person in my country has said today.
Can’t wait for this to be over. In the meantime I should set up some keyword filters in my Lemmy client
Ah that’s actually a great idea
Like it or not, these guys can duck up the entire world pretty badly. I can’t afford to ignore it, even if I don’t live anywhere near the U.S.
What are you going to do with the knowledge of them fucking up their economy and voting for a talking orange? What’s that knowledge worth? Are you going to pull your money out of all the AMZN stocks you bought? Send a strongly worded letter to Kamala for not being more radical? Fly across the sea to assassinate an upcoming dictator?
Why is this where your mind goes? Genuinely.
Tell me what you’re going to do with the daily updates on the election or some other dumb shit happening in the USA. I’m genuinely curious.
I’m going to understand that this is a pretty consequential election and Americans are going to want to talk about it?
And you wouldn’t have that without the daily updates? From one day to the next you forget there’s an election and need a constant reminder? How old are you? Do you need to get checked for dementia?
No yeah even most people that live here can’t do shit about it. It’s basically celebrity shit, to most people, it’s just that they’re obviously going to removed about it because it maybe tenuously has an effect on their lives. We may be cooked
Talking about it would be enough.
It would find it’s way to a citizen that could make a difference.
There is a reason most modern dictatorships restrict access to the the Internet.
I’m in America. I’d want that too, which is kind of the motivation - get that narcissist gone for good, and that should free up a loooooot of attention he’s stealing.
As a USAmerican in a swing state I’m pretty sick of it too.
Imagine this shit polluting your SMS and email and postal mail and people ringing your doorbell in addition to the rest of the web.
Considering America’s choices and influence impact every country on earth, (positive or negative), is it really a surprise?
Does it have to be a surprise to be annoying?
Probably not, but then it also shouldn’t come as a surprise that you being annoyed will have little impact
Never said it would 🤷
It’s because we have the least stable democracy and the most economic influence out of any country in the world
!bestoflemmy
wait
Nothing’s stopping you from reading anything else? The internet as a whole is mostly american-based, so there’s plenty out there to read about.
The internet as a whole is mostly american-based
Well that’s a narrow-minded view…
It is though. Not saying it should be that way or that it should remain that way, or that there aren’t internet spaces out there that aren’t American based. Just that the large majority of it is.
Why do people keep saying USAmericans? It looks and sounds stupid, you can just say Americans, everyone will know who you’re talking about .
Because USians didn’t stick, but their pompousness continued on. E: in the form of saying usamericans
I prefer burgerlanders personally.
Most xenophobes do.
^worlds lamest attempt at insulting someone.
Not an insult, just a description
Ask someone from South America
you can just say
Americanspeople, everyone will knowwhoyou’re talking about USA.Fixed this for you. Kind of a pet peeve of mine when people use ‘defaults’, like everyone on the internet are in America, or if you’re talking to someone from a capital of a different country they will assume you’re also in the capital, everyone lives in America timezone, everyone using English uses en_US locale, and if by some bizarre chance you’re in another country you can only switch language and country together, etc
challenging my nationalism? that’s like one of the isms i’m most sensitive about
next you’ll tell me that if i don’t love amerikkka, i can leave?
Personally I don’t think it’s helpful to treat a slavers’ pact like how some people treat the bible.
I couldn’t give less of a turd about a constitution, especially one that’s been the source of endless oppression and genocide. It’s a fundamental reason why the usa is such a trash heap.
You’re right, I do hate America.
Yes, we all know that’s your motivation
I voted for Biden because I wanted to stop fascism. I hated America, but I figured the world would suffer from a Trump presidency.
Then Biden did genocide.
The world suffers and fascism is already here. You’re just voting for red or blue flavors. Death to America, I won’t do it anymore.
“I hate genocide - but death to America”
Gonna assume you’re a troll…which makes me the idiot for commenting
The US was founded on settler-colonial genocide. Surely you know Hitler was inspired by the reservations? Read a fucking book.
You’re right but you’re still an asshole. If you think Biden was bad, you should know that things can always get worse. It’s entirely likely that Trump starts a war with Iran alongside Israel and surrenders Ukraine to Russia. Him using nukes is on the table too. It’s too big a risk. That’s where we are at. Risk minimization.
Biden is already helping Israel aggress against Iran! They’re the most violent state in the region and the US is enabling their ability to start WW3 by provoking all their neighbors. It’s already a regional war and it’s going to get worse no matter who is elected.
As for Ukraine, we could have already had a negotiated peace deal. Instead, Biden and the Democrats want to fight to the last Ukrainian and so they sabotaged peace talks and blew up the Nord Stream Pipeline. They have no one to blame but themselves for the current situation in Ukraine, and it’s their fault that Ukraine will be in an even worse position when Trump steals the election.
They never wanted Ukraine to win anyway. The purpose of the war was to let Russia bleed itself of blood and treasure. If they wanted the war to actually end they’d have given Ukraine the support it actually needs, but they would never and will never do that.
All of that said? If I really though Democrats were the lesser evil I’d vote for them. They’re doing genocide, marching us to WW3, don’t give a shit about meeting our climate goals, and are happy to let Republicans hurt us to help them win over votes. Fuck the Democrats, death to America, and when Trump steals the election you’ll be on my side in the resistance anyway. Why wait?
Trump would make this worse in every respect. Trump can’t steal the election if he loses in a landslide. Votes from people like you could make this happen.
It feels like the heat got turned on almost all the way up with this election
This is the most absurd thing I’ve ever read. Both of them have a poor track record on the constitution. A weird fantasy people have cooked up in their head without evidence shouldn’t be the best of lemmy. It can be a fear. It can be a fear people talk about. But the best content of anything? I hope not.
Do you want to know why Kamala is doing poorly in the election odds. It’s not that she’s a worse candidate. People vote for or against social movements. Plenty of reason to vote against the MAGA social movement. But middle america is voting against the delusionment they see on the left and that they see on internet formums. This kind of disconnect from reality scares them, and they vote against your candidate.
Election odds? You mean the betting markets where 4 users dumped 30 million dollars on Trump coincidentally when Elon Musk started campaigning for him Pennsylvania? The odds that had her leading by 5 points that those 30 mil shifted to losing by 15?
Or are you talking about the polling, which has been an absolute shiteshow for 10 years because no one picks up their phones for random numbers anymore?
Believing a candidate when they tell you who they are is the opposite of delusion.
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I agree, and it’s complete bullshit.
But I’m going to vote for “genocide and some safety for my Trans and female friends” over “more genocide, gay bashing, and forced birthing”. It’s our only two choices until there is either a change in the voting system, or better yet, a revolution.
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I appreciate the respect and I can assure you that it is mutual. I can completely understand where you are coming from, and your stance. “Harm reduction”, is a good way to put it, because that’s all it really feels like. It doesn’t feel good to feign support for a regime that supports such atrocities, but here I am thanks to our joke of a system.
Trump “wants them to finish the job”,…
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Trump assassinated Solemani. That was the starting point.
We both agree on “genocide bad” so why do you make a difference if it’s done by Biden or trump or Harris?
I think you hope for the destabilization of the USA and their downfall, which is totally legit as you seem to be from the Middle East. But don’t veil your intentions by hiding behind bogus arguments, defending Trump as the better choice. He isn’t, only for religious extremists who want to command the private lifes of others… oh wait, that’s basically extremist Muslims or Project 2024 Christians. Ahh… now I understand! SORRY… you are 100% correct from your perspective.
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wow, seems both trump and harris supporters are not just pro-genocide but bigots as well.
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Yeah totally pro genocide. The only one against it is you,… Hero! Everybody clap for this morally pristine specimen.
Idk who nuxcom is but is this really a contender for best of Lemmy? You see the same comment in every other post so is this person that special or do we have a slow day?
Guess I felt they summed it straight up.
I don’t disagree with the point but I have seen the same comment more than 100 times here lol. But I can see where you are coming from.
My vote is very much on slow day and, given a choice, would nuke this thread entirely, if that helps.
If folk MUST steal other’s work, at least pick something that is semi-uniquely them and not literally a post made while taking a shit.
Actually I was eating cereal but just liked how you put it. Sorry if I offended by reposting. Felt it was a compliment.
Yeah, this is what I’m here to protect. “BestOfLemmy” isn’t a political channel. But it is a manual curation and manual sharing community.
The idea that you like a post and feel like that’s enough to share is what I’d like to encourage. It gets weird with politics because now others are less inclined to post here because of this post however. But if the priority is to encourage posts and sharing here, I cannot delete a topic like this that was posted in good faith.
Its not like I’ll accept all topics of political nature either, but given how close we are to the election it makes sense why you’d be thinking about this right now.
There are two rules currently written for “BestOfLemmy”, and they are:
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Manual Curation – If someone thinks its best-of material, it is allowed here.
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Newbie to Lemmy perspective – Posts should be beneficial to new Lemmy users. I’ll ban topics on a case-by-case basis that violate this (ex: deep server vs server feuds or other “community vs community drama” topics).
From #1: The poster clearly thinks its worth sharing, so it deserves a topic. That’s sufficient. For #2: it is a very political season (with only days remaining before the USA’s voting days), so I think most people looking into Lemmy here would forgive us for a politically charged topic like this.
I evaluate that this topic was posted in good faith, and that newbies would accept such a topic here. So that’s why it stays.
From a “BestOf” perspective: my main problem with the post is that it links to a picture of the post, rather than the original topic and the original discussion that created this particular post. I might make a rule against image-posts (ie: do not make unnecessary screenshots. Prefer to link to various topics and other discussions on Lemmy. Screenshots are counterproductive to the greater Lemmy community).
It seems labeling any thread “best of” in advance would be premature.
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