Sorry (🍁) we did this without making a post, but after receiving several complaints we defederated from hexbear.net yesterday.
Here’s a few quick examples of poor conduct by hexbear users:
- Spamming bullshit links to the pig poop picture: https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected]
- General trolling: https://lemmy.ca/comment/2146513
- Posting the pig poop emoji repeatedly and not adding value to discussions: https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected] https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected]
- Calling for exections of landlords: https://lemmy.ca/comment/2154580
They warned their users to behave themselves, but that didn’t work: https://hexbear.net/post/280770?scrollToComments=false
Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting. Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated. Realize that you are a representative of the hexbear instance when you post on other instances.
Reasonable. Makes me consider switching instances…
There’s always the far better-behaved Lemmygrad for those who want a more diverse prospective without the toxicity that hexbear brings.
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In my opinion, good choice. It had to be done. Won’t be missed.
I have been visiting hexbear recently. I have discovered that there is a great deal of content there that is important to me and that I have been “protected” from. It’s clearly a legitimate instance with a dedicated administration team. The Lemmiverse is moving fast and changing dramatically. Would @[email protected], @[email protected], et al consider reviewing this decision now that it is about a year later?
Always open to reconsidering things. Can you give some examples of the content you’re missing?
Tbh when I go look at their local feed it just seems like all shitposts
For example, c/food is the best general population food forum I’ve ever seen for my particular needs. A lot of the non-vegan parts of the site is not just tolerant but considerate to vegans. That’s frigging unheard of. I don’t know what the big deal with shit posters is, but that is hardly the only or defining feature of the culture.
I feel like if you wade into a community you’re not a member of and don’t understand looking for shit posts, a lot of things are going to look like shit posts.
Thanks for the input! Discussing it with the other admins.
I might have to make a new account here. I made a comment and then edited it to address a Q_Anon adjacent hexbear user that replied to me. It’s really strange. They say they are extreme leftists on their sidebar, but their politics are anti-Western, which puts them essentially with NK, China, and Russia, which are an authoritarian brand of communist or fascist that prosecutes and imprisons trans, LGBTQ+, etc,.
At this point I think they are simply trying to get reactions and shit stir for lulz. Getting told I should die because I corrected a Hexbear’s use of misinformation is surreal. I never thought an extreme Leftist or five would openly and brazenly support a regime that literally made supporting LGBTQ+ stuff a crime only a year or two ago. It’s wild.
I never thought an extreme Leftist or five would openly and brazenly support a regime that literally made supporting LGBTQ+ stuff a crime only a year or two ago. It’s wild.
Your view of what Leftist means is extremely biased within the modern American context if you are surprised by that. There are lots of definitions of Leftist and the 2023 American Left-wing definition is not the only one.
You’re right, it’s been a learning experience.
Yea they’re insane. They brigade any post about China or Russia to defend them with some whataboutism and anyone who dares oppose them gets called a bigot because they pretend to be LGBT friendly. Just look at some of the pronouns they choose to use. I understand some people might prefer more unique pronouns like ze/zem and whatnot and that’s fine but they’re just straight up trolling by using stuff like comrade/tank giving our LGBT friends a bad name. Its more obvious they’re trolls because they defend very anti LGBT countries while pretending to belong to the community.
They are, who we call tankies. Propaganda spreading scumbags here to wreck communities and cause discord and chaos for Russia and China among other countries trying to wreak havoc. They’re doing it because of the Ukraine war. Block them and do not use instances that federate with them.
I appreciate the advice and will probably do so.
Edit after having looked into it: init is a liar, they are a US soldier and were attacked for that reason, more in the next comments
Which Q Anon adjacent user? Link would be nice, if you are speaking truthful it would great if you could do a link, but name is fine, too.
Most leftists are anti-Western, has to do with the US’s hegemonial role during the Cold War and its support of genocide, murder, torture and violence against socialist sympathizers and coups i.e. in South America. As the Jakarta Method describes well.
Getting told I should die because I corrected a Hexbear’s use of misinformation is surreal.
Do you have a link for that as well?
It’s all in response to this comment.
Then you are a liar, which is common for US soldiers.
You being a soldier is the reason the people flung those things at you. Which is more understandable, judging the actions of US and Canadian troops in Iraq as example.
I just want you to know as a member us military I hope you lose everything and end up drunk and homeless without ever being able to sleep. I’m glad that this is statistically likely.
Is also quite clear that it is about the job you do. It is funny how a literal US military government employee influences the discussion on de-federation without that being a relevant point.
Collateral damage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYTxuW2vmzk (which you are not allowed to watch, since that would breach your regulations) Shows civilians being targeted.
Even more:
Your link did also not show me the user is related to Q in any way. This again makes you a propagandist.
They say they are extreme leftists on their sidebar, but their politics are anti-Western, which puts them essentially with NK, China, and Russia
This is a common US military talking point, which you being a US soldier fits well. Equating anti-Westernism with “horrible regimes” (that is the dogwhistle you use) would mean that most academics and political scientists are supporting North Korea? You are a shill, one literally paid by the US military’s intelligence.
Isn’t a decent chunk of it just being anti-US? They were happier with the US and EU being two (closely related) poles in a multipolar world. They’re much more strongly against the US and EU coupling together.
The EU has become increasingly dependent on the US… That’s dangerous.
I fully agree with EU dependency being extremely dangerous.
Where you hear extreme or radical anything don’t think they are just further along on a line. Most often they break the line and turn 90 degrees into another dimension into delusions from baby eating cabals to lizard people secretly running the government.
Trying to apply logic to their thinking is not a useful exercise as the foundations to their thinking isn’t based on logic. It’s based on emotion.
I browsed a bit there. All I saw was trolls planning to troll. They won’t be missed.
Federation is working.
Until they decide to ‘raid’ instances and start their circus again.
Oh, they already are raiding and brigading. Take a look at any post remotely mentioning China, Russia or Ukraine on lemmy.ml or any other instance still federated with them. 90% of the comments will be Hexbear users trolling, harassing people or spreading disinformation, shutting out any real discussion.
I hope the admins on those raided instances are more effective than the admins on hexbear were.
Calling for exections of landlords
Link doesn’t work for me, but without any context: kind of hilarious.
Odd. Here’s their side of it: https://hexbear.net/comment/3708345
Thanks. I think it’s Jerboa, I have to copy these links into my browser to get them to work.
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Step 1: Execute landlords
Step 2: Land doesn’t actually get properly distributed and a new landlord rises
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit?
(Step 5: Revolution all over again)
Edit: /s in case it’s not clear. sigh Poe’s Law sucks 🤦♂️
Meet the new landlord, same as the old landlord.
Often worse than the old landlord, eg. Russian history aka And Then It Got Worse.
It’s like a death cult that just reboots itself when all the prophecies fail
I’m all for differing viewpoints but they were just trolls.
Yeah we gave them a chance, but I don’t think many of their users were ready for the Lemmy experience so they kind of wandered into All expecting to behave the same as on their “CTH” community, with some of them clearly out to “troll normies/libs”.
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Horseshoe is very debunked and these folk really hate leftists & communists so who knows
It is people who are ok with applying violence for their cause. Who see the world in/out groups. Horseshoe theory is overly simplified bc the far left and right are just not the same, but they do have commonalities.
Thank you
I noticed a few of them posting Russian propaganda the other day. Nothing of value was lost.
That and “look at the full video of the ‘tank man’ he obviously survived and nothing happened that day!”
He did
The point was that the message was the larger “it’s all just Western propaganda” and apparently nothing else happened.
They absolutely do. They are freaks of nature.
Essentially communists who support the war crimes committed in Ukriane and the idea of Russian imperialism since it somehow in their twisted little minds equates to a Soviet Union born again.
Wrap your head around that.
I still just don’t understand why they defend Russia or China, I don’t think there’s a single state mechanism you can point to that’s truly functionally communistic.
They get it into their heads that they’re smarter than everyone else because they have views that aren’t popular, and shut out any evidence that their views might just be wrong and actively harmful.
This seems like it could have been solved at the instance level by banning some emojis… So I guess I’m confused?
I still don’t agree with censoring political views that we disagree with. It’s a slippery slope, especially when these are REAL people that DO exist. They deserve to have their voice heard, even if it’s so they can be shit on.
Edit: is there no way to block individual users without defederation? It sounds like taking the nuclear option against a few bad actors. We should want to have our worldview challenged since that’s a core component of democracy.
It’s not about political views. There are plenty of comrades around here who just don’t ask for killing of fellow Canadians or parrot obvious Russian propaganda. I have quite enjoyed some thought provoking or educational comments from Hexbears but we have to pay for those with enduring the rest of the low effort vomit.
The great thing about the fediverse is that you can vote with your feet. If you’re really dedicated to their nonsense you can create an account there and read and participate as much as you like. The reason no one is leaving to go there is that we all know that they produce nothing of any value.
views that we disagree with
a few bad actors
Please stop with all those disingenous takes. OP makes it quite clear that it was not based on differences in viewpoint but toxic and trolling behaviour. And it is not “a few bad actors” from that instance behaving in such a way, it is everyone, since that is their publicly stated main purpose for existing.
Their community policy is explicitly against the actions described in this post.
Blatant indifference to their own community policies is an excellent reason to defederate.
And everyone on lemmy.ca follows community guidelines? Let’s be realistic. It’s a few bad actors (that we’ve already isolated!), just ban them.
Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting. Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated. Realize that you are a representative of the hexbear instance when you post on other instances.
“Come on guys. [Wink] [Wink] Cool it or we’re going to get defederated. [Wink] [Wink]”
hexbear when the consequences of their actions
I don’t think massive trolling that happens to use an emoji would be solved by blocking that specific emoji.
Good work! Thank you. Hexbear users are trolls. They’re not in it for discussion in good faith. I’ve blocked a few offenders here and there but honestly I think the culture there is so toxic that we’re better off not being federated with them.
100% agree that they are trolls. They flood any China news posts (that’s not on lemmy.world) with a truckload of pro-China comments, taking advantage of the fact that a sizeable portion of Lemmy users won’t be able to see and downvote them. Whenever someone replies to them with well-thought-out arguments supporting “the western authoritarians,” half of them replies with huge and ugly emojis, while the other half parrots more Chinese propaganda (that actually sound well-written if you disregard the fact that China is an oppressive regime).
I just moved instances because my old favorite has so far refused to defederate. I’m willing to deal with the idiot takes, the trolling, the nonsense sources that are almost always youtube videos, and their impressive ability to both support and denounce authoritarianism in the same breath. It’s important for me to look at propaganda from multiple perspectives so that I can try to think through it and understand where other people are coming from. But 99% of the time they don’t even express real opinions; they just flood posts they don’t like with obnoxious images. Just for that, I’d take Lemmygrad over Hexbear any day of the week
Probably get banned for this comment but all of the rights we have were taken via violence. Nothing else is going to stop feudalism in this country except violence. That guy threatening landlords is, like it or not, correct
Not that I want to go killing people, but that’s quite literally the only way change is made throughout all of human history
What childish nonsense. You have no absolute rights as a member of a society. Every right is limited and every law limits a right. Virtually none of those were passed through violence.
Do you not know how Canada became a country??
If you think laws will be peacefully passed that grants housing to all Canadians you are delusional
156 years ago?
Dude, it’s time to move on.
It’s time for a revolution actually
It’s time for change. We are a long, long way from revolution.
Ill take that bet.
Are we betting or what? I offered you the bet. Are you actually going to take me up on the offer or were you simply talking out your ass? I’ve got $10 that says it was the latter.
Ok…what’s the timeframe? 1 year? Complete revolution, right? Violent overthrow of the government, not just a lone wolf or another street shitting inflatable hot tub tantrum doesn’t count? $100. I’ll provide the details for an online escrow service.
Well I am not a long way from living on the street lol
One person is not a revolution.
You’re not advocating for violence, so why would you be banned?
We don’t want to prevent reasonable discourse with opposing opinions, we just don’t want an army of trolls and (literal) shit posters overwhelming everyone else.
Sorry, I got the impression that you ban whoever you disagree with
My god, what a martyr
You’re not advocating for violence
Is he not? He said only violence gets anything done and “that guy threatening landlords is, like it or not, correct.” I guess you could be extremely generous with assuming he likes society exactly as it is?
He’s edited his comment and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t that aggro when I read it last night, unless I was really that tired.
How many Canadians had to take up arms and murder their countrymen to get gay marriage and cannabis reform? The other side certainly used a lot of violence, AND THEY LOST. I only have to come up with one counterexample and there’s two.
That’s it. That’s all there is to it. It is true that some rights took violence to establish, but clearly there are plenty that didn’t. If for example it takes violence to fix our housing problems, then I guess that’s what would have been needed, but there are plenty of options before we get there.
Yes violence can be both successful and unsuccessful but to begin with the state likely used violence against violent supporters of bad drug policy and bigoted marriage laws, or alternatively against covid deniers and what not. On the other hand people did riot for weed and gayness 50 or so years ago and continually violently defended themselves in their continued (political) existence for these years. Political change, even if the laws change relatively non violently at the end, needs violence or at least the threat of violence to come about.
You’re moving the goalpost. We’re talking about executions. Fucking terrorism. That is NOT the way social causes are advanced.
No I’m describing the world and how I understand Political progress. Protests, strikes, riots, civil war, terrorism, assassinations, police and military violence and war can all be used, and are primarily used to further political goals. Politics is, viewed from some perspectives at least, the struggle about who can use what kind of violence for what reason. Specific to the landlord example, the police will use violence to enforce the landlords property rights through eviction, sure there is a system that justifies that violence, it is still violence.
Looking at what Abes assassination did to political development in Japan. especially toward Abe and the Unification church seems to provide good reason to assume terrorism to be pretty effective at the moment. ISIS, black Panthers, the end of the British Raj, the existence of the country of Turkey its all violent power struggle for political goals all the way down. If you are a freedom fighter or revolutionary or a terrorist is literally just a matter of perspective.
I’m just trying to get you to realize that Violence is used by all political sides and that their own justifications for it are never perfect. You might find yourself supporting violence by the(your) state and violence from other groups on different issues, both are violence nonetheless. I generally agree executions for achieving political goals shouldn’t be needed, at the same time they do happen regardless, and you can separate good political goals from bad ones, and welcome the executions that further your political goals, without endorsing executions generally.
Property managers are just wage workers.
Read “Against the logic of the guillotine” perhaps
