Jed: Yeah but one’s a worman!
Well, if you take a step back and look at the bigger picture, its hard to deny the facts. Its a corrupt system. I know everyone is all calling trump a criminal for this and that, but its like, yea, hi, welcome to America. The crazy thing is the idea that ANY person in high political office is NOT a criminal. You just don’t get that high up in American politics unless you’re playing dirty pool. Theres a million things one can criticize Trump for, but it just makes no sense to use the “criminal” argument unless youve spent your life living under a rock.
Professional career politician that supports israel and genocide*
And that makes the rapist felon better?
Didn’t say it did.
“But the felon promised me cheaper eggs.”
I’ve been saying this all day now, when the Nazi eventually cries about the higher food prices because they deported all the immigrants our duty is to tell them: shut the fuck up, you voted for this.
The worst one for me is that there’s some chode near me that displays a flag on his house fucking bragging that he’s voting for a convicted felon.
They’re proud of the fact that they’re supporting a criminal, and I bet they’d be ok with him if he was an open Nazi as well (they’re just fine with the same tactics and having literal Nazi flag wavers in their midst).
Adam Conover’s last video changed my view on the shock. They’re not voting for him despite his bad qualities. They’re voting for him because of his bad qualities. Telling them he’s a Nazi and a felon and blah blah blah will reinforce their idea that he’s the right guy. When people who worked in his government come out against him, the response is, “Of course they did. They’re part of the swamp we’re trying to drain.”
Reason is dead. We’re never going to convince these people that Trump is unfit for the job and a horrible human being. It’s time to stop being so shocked these people exist. They always have and will continue to exist. All we can do is show up and end the man’s political career.
Post-election update: 14 million vote spread between Biden '20 and Harris '24. Trump was only down maybe 1½ million votes between '20 and '24. Hey Democrats, where the fuck were you on Tuesday?
It’s all very Dunning-Kruger. A huge part of the crazy conservative personality seems to be thinking YOU are the smart one in a sea of sheep, and that everything is a conspiracy.
So when Trump is getting convicted, looking like an idiot, and has most of the civilized world against him? SO much evidence of the conspiracy and the system trying to save itself from the great disruptor! It’s like reality itself is bending over backwards to make the chosen one look like an irredeemable pile of shit!
Mark Robinson in NC just messed up because he was saying the quiet part out loud, or at least on porn message boards. Oh, and he was black.
As an NC resident I was incredulous at the turnaround that happened after that all came out. I thought for sure he was going to end up being a shoo-in for victory. I can’t walk ten feet without seeing Trump shit everywhere, and I live in the middle of a city. These folks should have loved Robinson even more than they love supply-side Jesus.
I understand them. I’m not American, and I’m something like a middle class so I’d vote for blue. And most of the people here probably think the same, we have that echo chamber. But if I were poor as I was most of my life, and that’s like most of the people voting, I’d vote red.
The reasoning is that both of the candidates don’t address the main problems of the society, the last one to do it was Bernie, before him I don’t even know, not Obama though.
The problems are education, healthcare, worker rights. You may say the Dem Presidents tried to do something about it but they didn’t and actually didn’t even try, the problems weren’t solved, they are actually worse(not because of their actions, their “actions” really didn’t matter and were just for show).
During Trump life got worse, during Biden life got worse, even during Obama life got worse, and now they suggest which kind of “life will get worse” to choose. So as a poor I’d pick the option that’s closer to destroying the system altogether than the option that will just make me more miserable to choose another miserable option in 4 years.
I heard a lot(fuck, A LOT) here how Trump will make himself a dictator and destroy the system but if one stupid clown can do it may be it’s the government system that’s bad. Really bad. And maybe you should address that issue but nobody does.
Maybe you should address the problems that make the people vote for a fucking clown instead of just labelling them stupid.
The problem is we have to take a hard left turn to get to a place where we can address any problems
…. But I’m not totally buying this argument. The one big change we were able to get through to make people’s lives easier was the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Statistically it made a huge difference in the lives of millions, especially lower middle and income to poor citizens. Yet somehow they kept electing people promising to repeal it, usually without even the concept of how to replace it. Do you really want millions of people going back to no medical coverage? Do you really want to be paying for coverage that can reject you on a hint of “previous conditions”? Sorry, but how is this anything but stupid?
I heard a lot(fuck, A LOT) here how Trump will make himself a dictator and destroy the system but if one stupid clown can do it may be it’s the government system that’s bad. Really bad. And maybe you should address that issue but nobody does.
I don’t think it is as simple as that. Fox “News” has been informing republicans’ world view for like 30 years. The Supreme Court has basically been taken over by partisan Republicans, which is super ironic given how long and loudly republicans railed against “activist” judges.
Much of the used-to-be credible media is now owned by billionaires. Even the ones that aren’t want to at least keep their access in the event of a Trump win.
Trump did significant damage in his first term, but, as the cliche says, “the guardrails held”. Thing is, he learned both about those guardrails AND which people he could trust to choose him over the Constitution.
So, yeah, there are things that should be done to make the system more resilient to internal attack, but without significant time and effort, no majority of USA citizens will every be convinced to support that sort of change.
They are OK with anything. Trump supporter at work wants him to be a dictator. How did we reach this point?
Living in the thick of it and that’s how I feel 😮💨.
The South Park episode about voting always applies. It’s always the choice between a douche and a turd. But even between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, one of those choices is still objectively better.
I would not even agree the alternative choice is a turd. Were allowed to have some optimism on our potential candidates.
Apparently not. If you don’t do literally everything they want with zero deviation whatsoever then you’re garbage and everything is hopeless etc
That “career politician” refuses to follow the law, and stop supporting a genocide.
Still better than one of Putin’s stooges.
Huh, a post history consisting of nothing but “What did Russia ever do wrong?” and “Dems bad because genocide”. How many rubles do you get paid per post?
I can’t wait for the Russian troll farm employees to get drafted.
You’ll be waiting a long while then, because unlike NAFO trolls, that’s scarcely a thing.
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
- Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor’s Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four
- Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
that doesn’t make him wrong. behaviour like this only makes us hypocrites.
the fact is biden is a genocider and harris preferred loosing the election over taking the a humane stance on this. both taking the largest donations from aipac in our election history also doesn’t look good.
Thinking that speaking out and condemning Israel would help them whatsoever shows you have literally no idea how US politics work. Let me preface this with the following: I’m well aware of the absolute atrocities going on, I don’t think the US should be supporting Israel given the shit they’re pulling, and do wish they would take action against them.
However, speaking out would be FAR more damaging than anything they’ve done so far. Do you have any idea how many Christians in the US literally think of Israel as what will bring about the second coming of Christ, and thus not supporting them would basically be seen and spun as doing Satan’s work?
The Jewish population of the US is literally double that of the Muslim population, so purely from a numbers game, any chance of even denting that support would be suicidal.
Finally, there’s the absolutely comical mainstream media bias where the very moment Harris spoke out strongly against Israel, there’d be an endless spew of how she wants to wipe Israel off the map and finish what Hitler started.
I get it, it’s fucking frustrating and tiring and disgusting what’s going on, but it’s sadly the way it has to be played at the moment, and acting like Trump being elected has any chance at improving the situation is delusional at best.
thnx but i am very much aware of how our politics works. the thing is all the evangelical and jews with pro-genocide stance were already voting for trump anyway. the anti-genocide is also a much larger demography than just muslims. many disapproved of dnc might have still voted for harris for the lesser evil reason but her supporting genocide with our tax money was just too much too ignore. then seeing the current administration full of disgusting smugs like blinken, millers just made it impossible to vote for dnc.
US foreign policy is supporting literal Nazis in Ukraine, ISIS in Syria, and genocide in Palestine.
At this point, it’s less embarrassing to be falsely accused of being Russian than to be correctly accused of being American. We’re the bad guys.
Naw, you’re not the bad guys. You’re the clowns.
The Nazis are in Russia, not Ukraine.
The Ukrainians are naming streets after and erecting statues of famous Nazis.
But wherever they are, take them out. Nazi lives don’t matter, whether Russian or Ukrainian.
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
There have been some fascist elements in Russia. The late Western Liberal darling Alexei Navalny, for one[1][2][3].
Wow, that’s some fucking cherry-picking.
Hmm, I wonder why would someone spend their time collecting headlines with a certain agenda…
russia is not only a joke country, but it’s also a terrorist state that’s held together by fascist drunks.
Hmm, I wonder why would someone spend their time collecting headlines with a certain agenda…
Upthread: https://lemmy.ml/post/22157132/14746020
russia is not only a joke country, but it’s also a terrorist state that’s held together by fascist drunks.
That sounds more like the US than any other country in the world [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
You know that I’m not clicking any link that’s posted by an .ml account, right?
Also, that sounds exactly like russia, comrade.
What law?
Leahy Law
So your only focus / concern is Israel? (if one dares to use “only” in this context)
No, that’s just the most horrible thing both Trump and Harris support. Would you like me to list all of the other policies they’re both wrong on?
Sure - enlighten me.
You mean Putin?
Wait no, they aren’t supporting a genocide. They are actively committing one.
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New York Times, Feb. 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
Where? I haven’t read about a recent Russian genocide.
In the definition that they’re trying to erase Ukrainian cultural identity.
Prior to the Russian invasion, the far-right Ukrainians spent 8 years committing a genocide of ethnic Russians in the east. A number of human rights orgs called attention to it. I haven’t heard any of them accusing Russia of one.
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A lot of people don’t understand this honestly, it’s not about intelligence, it’s not even about being good or bad.
The reason we are against him is because he has conflicting interests with the people. He works for the oligarchs, for capital, not for humanity, not for the environment, not even for american citizens.
And my 2 cents on this discussion is that critiquing him for being a convicted felon and about the other cases he is accused of is a really disorienting and weak critique as well. He is not going to make our lives miserable because he is convicted, he is going to make our lives miserable because he is a far right, neoliberal fascist with no respect for human life. And on the contrary, many activists have been convicted of crimes, like Assange, but I’d do anything to have them as president. Having been convicted is practically irrelevant and highly dependent on the crime.
So instead the critique should be targeted at politics, not on personal issues… But then again the fact that the critique doesn’t always focus on politics is indicative a lot of times of the very small ideological gap between the two parties and how none offers any real alternative.
I have deleted my comment cause people were feeding me negative karma. If you know - you know.
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Yeah its one thing if youre a trump supporter because then you are just a sheep but i actually dont understand whats going on in the head if those who have to think about the decision
Very accurate meme. This is me seeing that the votes between the two candidates are somehow close. This is me seeing how one of the two is even allowed to run at all.
I think it’s insane how Democrats keep getting blamed for not picking the right people to run when Trump can seemingly say or do anything at all and not lose a percent of support.
One of the USA sides has to be perfect and the other can do nothing and it will still be close. Insanity.
Literally a magic 8 ball in a pile of bullshit making decisions would be better than trump.
Because most left wingers are pissy pants babies that don’t understand that compromise is an important part of politics.
Didn’t the Republican senators/house members decide to vote against a border protection bill just to spite the other side? That’s not compromising.
The guy who initially authored the bill voted against it so he wouldn’t have to give the Democrats a win. That’s where we’re at.
And it worked. It successfully made Biden look bad…somehow. The voters are just stupid and evil, theres no other explanation anymore
Or republicans compromised on losing an immigration bill to win the presidency.
This is so. fucked. up. I’m not American (and thank fuck for that), but I’m actually feeling so ill and worried for y’all. I think it’s time for me to block/unfollow any American accounts and news cause shit’s about to get really fucking bleak.
I would do the same. Imagine how ill I feel living here and being surrounded by red states. Woohoo
I’m American. I’m so disappointed in my fellow Americans. And I’d wager around half of us feel similarly disgusted by these results.
Just know not all of us voted for this fascist. I have been trying to organize more and get my friends to organize against this. Clearly civil disobedience is needed, so I think organizing and donating to organizations that support anti-fascism would help.
Lol, don’t worry, it’s coming for you regardless
I went on holiday to the USA this summer. We had time, money, had never been and feared/expected the USA to elect Trump again. Looks like I made the right call. Stay strong USA.
I will now cut back on all social media. Lemmy included as I get a depression from what’s happening in the US. What is painfully obvious is that we Europeans must stop fucking around and federate so that we have a fucking chance wedged in between despots and idiots.
The current trend is sadly in the other direction. Fascists are rising to power and the countrys get more separated. More border controllers are happening.
Best of luck, wish me good luck on getting out of here before everyone realizes they closed the boarders going OUT as well as IN.
Volt all the way baby!!!
Lets get the european federation on the way!!
Well fuck.
