I’ve gone and made accounts of a handful of Lemmy instances, all of them larger, more popular ones.
… and I can’t access any of them directly today, likely due to the influx of users from Reddit.
Programming.dev is alive and well though.
Ya know; perfect time to shout out the admins here. Thanks for this little terrific instance. I have an account on BeeHaw, I just never leave here.
No drama, just polls about icons. Easy.
I am noticing a lot of comments from lemmy.world communities can’t be seen from my other accounts like lemmy.ca or programming.dev.
Aside from that, I think it’s nice to be on a smaller instance.
I can’t even access the lemmy.world instance. It just always errors out for me.
But I like the idea of smaller servers that specialize in a specific hobby/interest/topic and then all the /c/ communities can be centred around that topic and moderated appropriately. I think it leads to better discussion between people looking for programming topics.
How is it going for you today? A couple of days back the dev was having issues attempting to update the servers to the latest lemmy release, and it was causing some issues interfacing with other instances and using apps. Should be fixed now.
Hey there /u/[email protected], sorry for the late response. You’re correct. It seems I no longer have any issue with accessing that lemmy instance anymore.
I read earlier that users and posts from
lemmy.worldandsh.itjust.worksare not being properly loaded and displayed due to the user’s client instance de-federating from instances with problematic users.In other words, the behaviour of users in some instances has an effect on their reputation.
EDIT: (Maybe not. Not trying to kindle the fire of rivalry between Lemmy instances in here. Yet. * vsauce.wav here *)
Only Beehaw defederated. The problem today is that lemmy.world is upgrading to 18.1 and it hasn’t been going to smoothly. The server has been restarted a ton lately.
I thought that was just beehaw that defederated from a bunch of places?
Reddthat here ~ we are alive and well too
Yep, though federation syncing is really slowing down. This post from [email protected] is at 44 comments from programming.dev but 112 comments on the beehaw instance.
I guess that’s because Beehaw is still 17.4?
So the “true” state of a post is always in it’s instance of origin
No, federation is directional, so even if everything synced perfectly and instantly it wouldn’t be the true version. Take this example. There is an instance that is federated with no one, but every instance is federated with it. Every other instance would see everything there but the instance it is hosted on wouldn’t see any. There’s no reason to say the version hosted there is the true one when it lacks so much of the conversation.
Also comments can lag when syncing to the main instance in the same way they can lag coming from the main one. All you can really say is that when viewing a post on an instance it has the true version of all of that instance’s users comments.
Thank you! Really easy to understand
Let me ask you another question, where are my comments stored? Are they only in my instance or are they elsewhere too?
Lets say i comment on a post from my instance, if someone from another instance sees the post will il be replicated in their instances database?
What if i comment on another instances post? Will my comment be stored in the other instance database or in mine?
What if i delete a comment/post? Am i guaranteed in Will be deleted everywhere?
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My understanding is that everything you do is first stored on your instance and then makes its way to instances that are federated with yours. I’m not sure about the specifics of it or deletion though. I haven’t doved into the spec. Because it is called ActivityPub I bet it is the “pubsub” (publisher subscriber) pattern where other instances subscribe (federate) to be published to but it might not work like that.
This is why when you’re the first user on an instance to subscribe to a community from another instance that no one on your instance has subscribed to yet it is somewhat more of an involved process because your instance was not getting anything from that community before and needs to start. I’m still new to this myself and basing it off stuff I’ve read people say who may also be wrong themselves though.
It’s better for people to spread out to other smaller instances. That’s how the fediverse scales.
Is there a way to synchronise or migrate followed communities between accounts on different instances? I’d quite like to sign up to others, but I’m way too lazy to re-follow every single community.
You should just be able to follow communities on other instances from your main one, without making another account.
I never really understood what’s appealing about participating in a community with gazillions of users where any attempt to have a conversation is buried under thousands of replies. Not even talking about the amount of trolling or aggressive commenters.
I think smaller places suit me better, and I am grateful that smaller instances like this one have emerged as a result of the latest happenings with Reddit.
There’s an appeal to having limitless content, but it does become addictive. Having a slower pace is a good thing.
I left Reddit shortly after the spez’s AMA before I found Lemmy and for a week I did feel a little out of touch since I didn’t like the feeds on other social networks or sites. Lemmy gives me that feeling of being up to date with the internet without being endless which I think is much healthier.
There’s an appeal to having limitless content, but it does become addictive. Having a slower pace is a good thing.
You know that’s a great point I hadn’t considered…
I find I like having both.
Smaller communities / more quiet threads where I really participate and get in a conversation with people. Other times I just like having a lot of different threads with a lot of different information etc.
Agreed! For me right now what reddit has but Lemmy hasn’t replaced is the local/certain kinds of obscure that was on Reddit.
As a practical example, there isn’t a great soccer forum, much less my hometown team. There’s gaming but my nerdy deep lore destiny 2 sub hasn’t made it over here yet.
So far I’ve been getting by on news feeds and mastodon repost bots but I’m definitely missing some of the content from the old site. A natural response is to stand up my own, but being realistic most people just don’t have time to run a community, create content for it, and enjoy it. Reddit had a model that allowed occasional interaction with regular consumption due to its huge scale. So far that’s still not here.
Glad I’m not the only one that feels that way.
One interesting thing I read somewhere on here was a recommendation to use Lemmy first, and then if you feel like your missing something, go to Reddit.
I think I’ll be doing that for the meantime.
yea - same.
lemmy.world is not accessible for me
Same, it’s why I made this account. Maybe I should have joined programming.dev, being a software engineer myself lol
I’m reading your comment from world. They were doing upgrades earlier which may be why you couldn’t get in.
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Happy to be federated with you, good sir.
This is my favorite place on the internet.
I can’t view the comments on this post. I have tried the website and three different apps
I’m new to Lemmy, but what I’m doing is keep one account on a large instance to host communities (higher exposure) and another for browsing and commenting.
I think the fediverse will function the best if everyone is split across many instances. As soon as one or several become dominant, the way they do things becomes the norm, for good or bad. That and the server load of course.
I cannot explain the exact details but I remember during the first great Twitter exodus some people discovered a drawback in the ActivityPup protocol that seems to cause performance issues when very influencial users post on a small/under powered instance.
Because communicating all that stuff to many other instances is more costly than spreading it only to people on the same instance. So technically speaking large instances have a performance advantage and must just scale accordingly to the user number.
Everyone agreed that this need to change in oder to ensure a healthy federated ecosystem but I don’t think it was be fixed by now.
The problem is most people are confused and overwhelmed by all the instance business to begin with.
It’s a UX thing. Users can’t be expected to read up on all the technical details of instances and the pros and cons of different ones before signing up. I don’t know how it’d work exactly, but they really need a nice and simple “sign up” page that they don’t need to think about.
Maybe a list of all the decent instances to use - meaning pretty much all instances that are not catered to a specific niche, open to new users and don’t have any defederation drama ongoing - and then a global lemmy signup page can just randomly assign new users to one of those instances.
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Does it make that much of a difference which instance you’re on? I created an account here, but I’m subscribed to communities across the entire fediverse. Defederation can of course come into play, but unless you create an account in each instance that fits your interests I don’t see it making too much of a difference where your account has its home.
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Yeah. The need here is for people to distribute across instances so the load is evened out. I’m still on the fence about what I think about the distribution being “interest”-based (there’s of course the Local filter which I haven’t used that much yet). I’m sure it’ll grow in me 🙂
Could you explain a bit more? I am new to lemmy (reddit exile) and I thought the instances are like servers and they communicate between each other.
What do you mean by instance that fits your interest?
Thanks.
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Yes, it definitely provides opportunity for bad actors to control Lemmy.
If reddit wanted to they could offer the admins of beehaw, sh.it.just.works, and lemmy.world money for control of the servers and then if accepted defederate the three largest instances from everywhere else, basically killing Lemmy or at least severely hindering it’s growth.
Me over on pawb.social: uwu
It’s been lovely so far.
I’ve migrated from a tiny one to this one, I don’t know why, but I always gravitate towards the smaller communities.
Runs smooth here too :)
Edit: typo
This is the way (in the fediverse)
