• @samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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      Is Windows 11 worse than 10? I honestly haven’t noticed much difference (after moving the taskbar icons to where they belong on the right).

        • @BURN@lemmy.world
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          32 years ago

          I use the tpm requirement as a backup to make sure Microsoft won’t update my pc. Made sure it’s disabled in bios and I don’t even get prompts

        • @samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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          12 years ago

          Oh yeah, forgot about that. The old computer I had at the time actually couldn’t use TPM, so it was a concern, but I bought a new one that came with Win11 installed. I agree that was unnecessary on their part.

    • @PixelProf@lemmy.ca
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      Windows 11 has tabbed file explorer, a package manager, it’s quick, the interface looks nice and feels nice, and it’s been really stable for me. I don’t know where the complaints are at, it’s been great. All they need to do is regress all of the ads-in-your-OS stuff from 10. Bring back the start menu that doesn’t hang for 30 seconds looking something up online before showing you your installed programs.

      • @Orygin@sh.itjust.works
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        32 years ago

        Reddit hivemind is back to downvote any opinion that they disagree with. Like the other commenter said, I prefer functionality in place of design.
        Even though I found 11’s UI far more polished, the UX is a disaster with yet another refresh of elements that didn’t need any changes.

          • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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            Sure, but how much time do you really spend looking at the OS UI rather than that of the games and applications you’re running when everything is going smoothly?

            Very little in my case, so beauty is very low on my list of priorities for an OS of all things.

            • 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘
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              I don’t play games. The only real customization I do to how the UI looks, is to put it in dark mode. Because of these, and some other factors, the OS UI is front and center for me. So, I would like a beautiful, yet highly usable, OS. Something that just works well for my use cases, and looks good doing it.

              My preferred OS may not be your preferred OS. And, you know what? I like that. It means that we get a choice in look and feel, we’re not all stuck on the same OS, and we get to learn how others use computers and other people’s preferences in UI. It’s awesome!

      • @Perfide@reddthat.com
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        Vista was better aesthetically than Windows xp, it was still dog shit.

        Also, heavily disagree. Literally the only good thing windows 11 did imo was finally unifying some of the settings that were split between the settings app and the OG control panel.

      • True, the access tokens instead of logging in is a pain, and it’s probably a grasp to force users to use their shitty interface rather than do everything in the terminal and just push it to the repo. The free storage do be convenient tho…

  • be_excellent_to_each_other
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    Since switching to Linux in 2007, I have touched Windows only when paid to do so. Each successive move by Microsoft has affirmed for me that I made the correct decision. At this point, I would just not use a computer at home if my only way to do so was with Windows on it.

    • @limelight79@lemm.ee
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      My only use for Windows at home is for Zwift, an online virtual cycling community, and I use a dedicated computer for that purpose. But someone figured out how to get it to run under Linux using Docker, so I figure when I can no longer use Windows 11, I’ll switch to Linux on that computer.

      Supposedly that computer isn’t compatible with Windows 12, which I assume means that security chip or whatever is turned off (the computer is new enough - 2021 - that I assume it has it). I assume I could turn it on in BIOS, but…eh.

    • @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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      Windows is the default. Linux takes time and effort to learn and has negative aspects beyond that. I think it’s worth it, much like I assume everyone here does. But it’s not a sign of a lack of intelligence to decide it isn’t worth it for you. My wife is smarter than me and a programmer who has come to the conclusion that as it is linux is too much effort for not enough gain.

      Being a condescending prick keeps people away from it.

        • @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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          Did setting up windows confuse you? Maybe it’s time you get taken to the home if things like that are starting to happen.

          Seriously linux these days is way easier than when I tried it a decade ago, but the skill of “it’s not just double clicking an .exe or equivalent” to start new third party software took more effort than some people want to learn. The arch wiki is great and there’s no way in hell I’m going to get my in laws to use a computer that requires a wiki. Ubuntu is on par with windows and mac these days yes, but it’s similar difficulty to switching from one to the other. And for what? Less software that they care about (though more and more). More freedom to do stuff they don’t know how to do. More privacy they don’t care about. And the ability to understand senile assholes like you.

        • Kale
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          The Microsoft thing to do is start using Xbox naming, but offset from the Xbox brand. Windows 360. Then Windows Series S for home users and Series X for corporate. Then use Windows One for confusion’s sake. The first service pack can be called Windows One X.

          I used to like picking up old hardware and modding it for fun. When Xbox One launched, searching for mods for the OG Xbox became really annoying, because all of the old forum posts during the Xbox 360 decade(s) called the first Xbox “Xbox 1” frequently, not dreaming that the third platform would be named “one”.

    • @jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
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      Technically it was just a Microsoft Tech Evangelist that said that, in a non official capacity, and I’m pretty sure the sales people took him to the torture chamber after that.

      From a technical point of view, there was nothing stopping Microsoft from making Windows 10 a rolling release, so I can see how some naive fools might have convinced themselves that their employer wouldn’t be shitty to their users for the first time ever.

      • ares35
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        at some point we’ll be renting windows, not buying it. so there will be a “last windows you’ll ever buy”. if microsoft had their way, we’d be at that point now (they’ve run trials on subscription-based windows way back in the early win7 days). but us lowly users are probably ‘safe’ until whatever’s after 12.

        • @Perfide@reddthat.com
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          I would agree if not for the fact they keep making it easier to get windows for free. I haven’t bought windows in over a decade, activation is easy af, the days of sketchy malware riddled keygens are long gone.

          The truth is worse, imo. They don’t need individual consumers to pay for the OS, OEM licenses are where they make bank anyways. At the consumer level, you’re never gonna sell enough copies, even on a subscription model, to profit more than you would be from giving it away for free, getting everyone using it, and then simply selling their data until the end of time.

          • @gammasfor@sh.itjust.works
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            Not to mention Microsoft’s profits aren’t from the OS but what they get from the user once they have the OS. Once they have the Windows user they then have a market to sell other Microsoft products, not to mention all the stuff on the Windows store.

            They don’t need profits from the OS as the OS pays for itself in the long run.

      • @surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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        It wasn’t just a tech evangelist. Our Microsoft sales people were telling us that feature updates would mean no more major os versions.

    • NetherFalcon
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      242 years ago

      it’s basically just windows 10 but reskinned, rebranded and released as a “new operating system”

      • suoko
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        They added android apps, they’re slowly switching to Linux. It’s going to be EdgeOS, maybe based on arch instead of gentoo? :-D

        • @Hikiru@lemmy.world
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          Nah, they won’t. Then devs will start supporting Linux and windows will lose their one advantage over Linux: compatibility

          • @Perfide@reddthat.com
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            Nah, they are. Satya Nadella was having an important medical procedure done when he noticed all the lab equipment still ran on xp. Not compatible with newer versions, staff said. Horrified that he was hooked up to machines that any black hat fucker could compromise in a heartbeat, he had an epiphany. Windows as it is now is a blight on the land, and the path of linux is the only way forward. High as fuck on morphine, Windows 12 was conceived: Linux based, open source, split taskbar fuck yeah, with blackjack and hookers*!

              • By hookers, I of course mean one of those dancing stripper taskbar viruses middle-aged men love downloading. Now pre-installed!

            Source: I made it the fuck up

    • Dudewitbow
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      outside of the more neutral/negative features people mentioned, some of the major additions is better windows snap management (presets for organizing windows on a screen, and adjusting window sizes), and tabbed folders. It’s also meant to be used for windows subsystem for android for android app usage, but you can technically do that with windows 10 with some workarounds.

        • @IceMan@lemmy.one
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          Sure, which side is default (or other small nuisances) might be preference, but if you take away the option to customize (which was once there) the critic is valid IMO.

        • @Dave@lemmy.nz
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          I don’t actually use Windows 11 so this is the only thing I know to complain about.

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        That’s not the worst part. The worst part is how I can no longer move my taskbar to my second monitor. It is now locked to my first.

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            They’ve finally added it back? Tbh I never thought they would. I’ll have a look later.

            edit: there is no setting to move the taskbar, only to display it on multiple monitors. Those are different things. I want my first monitor to be empty, and my second to have the taskbar.

            W11 forces me to have my second monitor as my first, which makes games run in portrait and many of them do not have an ability to move between monitors. I want programs to treat my big monitor as the primary one, but I do not want the taskbar there.

        • monsieur_jean
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          System > Display > Personalization > Taskbar > Show my taskbar on all displays

          Back in my days people were expected to at least try before shitting on software they didn’t like, eh.

          • no banana
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            But mate, that doesn’t do what I want. I want to be able to move my single taskbar to my second monitor. Not have a taskbar on every single screen. Back in my day people were expected to read a thread before commenting.

        • nfh
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          The worst part is how they make it nearly impossible to create a local user account. It’s fine to have alternative account types, but that’s not what I want on my own machine.

        • @TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works
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          Go to settings -> personalization -> taskbar. There are many different options for the display of the taskbar on multiple monitor setups.

          Edit: I misunderstood and windows is dumb. You can only have the taskbar on your main display or all displays. You can make your second monitor the main display to have your taskbar appear there.

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            I guess it’s been fixed since I last looked then! I’ll have to go through it. It wasn’t there when I installed W11, but there was a promise of adding it. I just didn’t expect that to happen. My impression was that Microsoft thought it wasn’t necessary and that users could just get used to it.

            edit: no, I can add it to all screens, but not move it to my second one. That doesn’t solve the issue for me.

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              I’m sorry I misunderstood what you were saying. After playing with it, you are right you can only put the taskbar on the main display or all displays. That is kind of dumb.

              The only way to do it is to make your second monitor the main display. Go to settings -> system -> display -> click monitor that you want taskbar on -> click multiple displays dropdown menu -> check make this my main display.

              • no banana
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                Yep. That’s the only way. Sadly many games have trouble handling that and start on the screen with the taskbar (which is my smaller screen in portrait orientation) with no way to move them.

                In windows 10 I was able to just drag the taskbar to my second monitor without a problem.

    • @s_s@lemmy.one
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      Each new version of Windows is just Microsoft trying to further tighten the screws on its captive userbase.

      They’ve not brought anything of real value to customers in years.

      • They’ve not brought anything of real value to customers in years.

        They made some half-decent BASIC interpreters for 8-bit computers. That’s about it.

    • @Ricaz@lemmy.ml
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      The only interesting feature is WSL2 with the possibility to “natively” mount Linux filesystems.

  • Roundcat
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    212 years ago

    Probably only supports chromium browsers, such as the only browser you’ll ever need Microsoft Explorer Edge™

  • Arghblarg
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    Don’t let your guard down. Maybe this time they’ll fully pull the TPM/UEFI trigger and make it impossible to install any other OS on new PCs… they have lots of leverage over manufacturers to tighten the screws on the BIOS and boot process.

    • Pika
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      I don’t think they would hard shoot themselves in the foot like that thankfully/sadly? idk my opinions on it. They would start with company graded devices before doing a consumer lockdown, since they are less apt to get massive backlash from that, they have tried already and backtracked iirc with lenovo systems

      • Arghblarg
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        I hope you’re right. But the only reason it hasn’t gone as far as it has it because everyone watches them and pushes back. I remember the ARM-based Windows laptops they tried pushing, which had fully-locked bootloaders (WinRT?) That’s their endgame…

    • @jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
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      The European Commission would appreciate the multi billion euro “donation” from Microsoft if they did something so obviously anti competitive.

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        I agree, but also when has a threat of a fine ever stopped a capitalist from doing what they want? They just call it the cost of doing business.

        • @jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
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          The kind of fines that are based on global revenue are at least enough to slow them down. Right now we are a bit in a phase of Whac a Mole phase of the EU doing new directives with these kinds of fines and American companies trying to find loopholes, but I don’t see how Microsoft would weasel out of this one.

          • @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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            Also the US is interested in busting some trusts at the moment and that sort of behavior could cost Microsoft dearly. It’s one thing to demand that your software only run on your hardware, it’s a whole other thing to pay companies to block their hardware from software you don’t own

        • @gammasfor@sh.itjust.works
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          Microsoft had to provide a separate edition that gave the user a browser choice for 10 years because the EU successfully called anti-trust on Windows doing IE/Edge as default.

    • @Bogasse@lemmy.world
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      Same after Windows 8.1 ! 🥳

      I’ve had to use Windows 11 a tiny bit for work and it was the most painful experience I had for a while. Most apps I used on there had obvious bugs, like the VPN chosen by my company requiring me to reboot every time it goes to sleep …

    • @insomniac@sh.itjust.works
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      I quit after Windows 2000. XP seemed like it just added bloat to force you to buy a new computer without adding anything useful and my computer wouldn’t run it. I used 2000 until I couldn’t any more then got an Ubuntu disc when they used to mail them out for free and never looked back.

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        Windows 2000 was a low-key disaster, but I get not wanting to use the fisher-price interface.

        But man, did Win2k fanboys beat that one point to death to try and slander XP . 😂

        (to be fair: XP before SP2 was an unmigigated disaster as well. It just got a fix eventually, but 2k never did)

  • WheatleyInc
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    Microsoft stinks, I use Windows because I’m lazy. MAC is so much worse though, why have I never heard a Linux user criticize MAC?

    • Gamey
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      Most of us used Windows before and a Mac is a lot closer to Unix (many Terminal applications and stuff work well) but from a usability standpoint the completely walled garden is awful and bashing Apple is one of my favorite hoppies, iOS and their hardware are just even better attack surfaces and I like low hanging fruits!

        • KrisND
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          32 years ago

          Bad bot, NewPipe works great but the piped website is horrible and I have yet to get it to even play a video with default settings.

          • Zagorath
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            Why is it a bad bot?

            Personally, I prefer using really YouTube. I like having the record of what I watched on my account and being able to interact with things like the “like” button and comments, or add it to my Watch Later playlist. So I’m never going to intentionally seek out Piped.

            But that doesn’t mean the bot is bad. It’s doing a good job for people who do prefer that site of making it easy for them. And I don’t see anything wrong with that.

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              I called it a bad bot because it’s become annoying, I strictly only use NewPipe on mobile because I like the features. I see this as nothing more than mass advertising with a bot to auto correct ppl.

              However, with the bots I’ve seen here both piped.video and piped.yt do not work on my desktop or mobile devices, I have tried troubleshooting it but it’s not worth too much time when I can just view the direct YT using adblock and still not have any issues.

              There is no reason the website should require me to turn off protections or other things if my current settings work on YouTube already.

              It is also annoying that I have bots turned off in my settings and for some reason this bot that goes around making messages is the only one I see anywhere.

    • Id wager few have used a Mac compared to Windows. Windows was always more ubiquitous, and its usually the default in work and school settings so it has a lot more chances to disappoint

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        Exactly. During my 4 years in University I have not even seen Mac from far. Most of the computers were cheap Dell mini pc and the rest was desktop computers. I couldn’t hate on something I haven’t seen…