If George Clooney was the democratic nominee, he would have won easily.
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stolen election, fake news, time to throw a hissy fit and storm the capital and then blame the feds like a pussy… I mean is there any other way to handle this?
But you’re not gonna give up. You just feel like you are.
If you were gonna give up, you’d have done it the first time, but ya didn’t. There’s something in you that whispers NO FUCKIN WAY AM I GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT
Asteroid - Yellowstone Supervolcano 2028
God that sounds nice right now.
Least it will be quick.
This is what believing in elections does. Complacent on victory, depressed in defeat. Disregard elections and take direct action. Nobody can take that away from you.
Voted as an attempt at harm reduction. But i had mail-in so it took me 2 minutes.
Believe in them or not, they’re not for change. You’re right insofar as popular direct action creates tangible change in the world.
People keep insisting how little time it takes them when the argument against electoralism is toward the massive amount of volunteer work wasted around it and the show of support to the concept itself.
Yeah but we can see from liberalism that a “show of support” means jack shit. The ballot is a tool to quell the masses against revolt. Participation there doesn’t mean you accept it as the whole of your political voice.
The volunteer work is a bullshit aspect. It certainly means the majority of electoral workers are those with the ability to volunteer. Hence, lead poisoned boomers.
This rings particularly tone deaf to me, given that the reason it happened again was low voter turnout.
The reason it happened was because the Dems supported unpopular policies like genocide
Ah yes, that old chestnut. Well I’m glad we solved that problem. Good job team.
/s
It sure sounds like you learned nothing, so I guess you’ll continue getting fascists for the foreseeable future until your society collapses.
We did a fascist but your reason is wrong. The reason is voter suppression and a lost culture war. It is in the interest of capitalists to push narratives that insight racism, transphobia and xenophobia in order to divide the working class and further their political capture.
Unfortunately it seems to be incredibly effective especially in times of unrest.
What are you gonna do about it? Vote harder?
and volunteer in my community, same as I did all along. What are you going to do, play right into their hand harder?
Single issue voters are the death of democracy.
On both sides.
well this sure showed the dems didn’t it. sure there’ll be some acceptable losses under trump. but thats ok if get the chance to do what exactly? watch the genocide get less media attention as it continues? watch violent crackdowns on any protests? make a convincing graph showing the increase in queer kids not doing the alive thing anymore? whats the grand plan? bitch about the dems in the mid* terms if they still happen?
What’s your grand plan to fight against all that? Bitch on lemmy? Were you doing anything against the very real scenario of all these coming to pass instead of clearly ineffectual electoralism?
Fuck was your plan to stop the genocide in Palestine asshole, go kill Net with the brassy swinging of your massive balls? Go fuck yourself, you ain’t helping anyone, Palestinian or otherwise.
Not propping up the system causing genocides is a good start. You can’t expect to keep doing all the actions that sustain and show endorsement to the status quo for decades, but then want to stop one single thing caused by that system immediately.
been a little busy up to this morning trying to talk friends and family on the left into participating in the thing. my plan didn’t work. the protest voters and unmotivated who wont be harmed by any of this won. congrats. now we still* have to do all the plans too? no plan for after the protest votes got dreamed up? i’m shocked. i’ll be busy for the next few weeks now talking my queer friends and family out of their very real panic and making sure their mental health is ok. then theres still a perfectly good political party sitting there i’d like to get back to hijacking please. it’s right fucking there. why do we all keep acting like we need to burn it down and start over. just take their toys.
You can’t change the system from within. “Take their toys” doesn’t work and has never worked.
it’s literally what mega just got done doing.
I know this is from a different account, but fml. I’m sure you are aware of how depressing things are as a fellow anarchist. I have to go vote, because I try to give a shit.
It’s because I give a shit that I try to point people should not give up hope because the electoral system didn’t go “their way”. If you’re already doing direct action, just keep doing it. Nothing changes and your direct actions actually changes things. If you’re not doing it, why not?
I think I needed to hear this. Thanks.
What direct action will get me the testosterone I need to not kill myself in the event Trump bans all gender affirming care?
I hate to say it… but DIY. There are resources for help. I am hesitant to post direct links, but know help is there!
Estrogen is kinda fine, testosterone being a controlled substance makes DIY much more illegal for me.
Is it available on the dark web? It’s absurd but you might need to buy health care as if it’s an illegal drug.
Hearing this is morally reprehensible for me. Shit, here people can just buy testosterone from shady TV ads - gas stations even! Here’s hoping you can find your way, and know that there’s a lot of us on Lemmy that will help where we can <3
The risk of of civil disobedience and procurement through mutual aid networks I’d guess
Elections are how we achieve a peaceful transfer of power. Hopefully fascist incompetence will so fully debilitate this Trump administration that we manage to hold another one. We can’t count on it though. We need to organize in the meantime.
Well, good news I guess, with the way the climate is gonna go now you won’t be living long at all.
If pollution under Trump is as bad as he is promising the idea of hitting 5 degrees C by 2075 doesn’t seem that far fetched.
It’s 2024 so that’s 51 years from now. I’m 31. If I’m not dead by then I would be 82. So I could, in theory, live to see it.
Good news! The de-regulation and de-funding of FDA and USDA will probably kill you faster and more directly than climate change.
Hooray!..??
As a trans woman and a Jew there’s a ton of direct ways that I could be killed, but it’s really not worth worrying about them. =)
“Don’t worry about the future; or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubblegum.” ~Baz Lurhmann
But it might be worth preparing.
The fascists did post their entire game plan online.
To help with searching through 900 pages:
Better download and save this before they take it down and pretend they never wrote it.
Dictators do love revising history to entrench their rule.
As a fellow trans woman, I’d like to give you a giant hug. I made another post entirely about our situation. I hope you stay safe and happy.
We’re going to get our shit rammed in by climate collapse. It was going to happen either way, but I am old enough that I was hoping to be able to delay it enough to run down the clock.
Also…. No one is going to try and burn down the Capitol this time. So we’ve got that.
Though once Trump comes up with some new logo that may or not be a swastika and it becomes draped with that logo that may not be a good thing. Though I see him going more the Mussolini route and putting his face on shit
He already put’s his name on everything. 🙄
I could cry. I’m so disappointed in all of us.
I am crying.
I don’t have the energy to be angry anymore. I’m just sad.
Starting to seriosuly consider making a solar punk party. I wanna be the radical progressives GOP thinks dems are but I dk where to start.
Find and join a mutual aid organization. Food not bombs is a good entry point for research if not participation.
Someone mentioned that and I thought it was slogan or something. Thanks for clarifying!
Absolutely! There’s lots centered around the unhoused. There are also other orgs like Mutual Aid Disaster Relief (MADR) and some focused on immigration along the southern border.
But there’s all kinds, they’re all over, just not always easy to find.
Believe in people. All we have is each other. And we all need each other now.
Didn’t people vote for Trump?
Seems the people have abandoned us.We’re on our own.
The fascists are the minority of this country.
The fascist dictator in waiting is literally leading the in the popular vote. Even if that changes in the coming weeks, it’s gonna be a very large minority…
70 million people isn’t a majority of 340 million people. And not all of the 70 million people are fascists.
If you didn’t vote against the fascist then i have bad news for you…
I voted for Kamala. Fascists don’t care who you voted for. They only care about skull measurements and skin color. They will happily deport or kill all the minorities who foolishly or knowingly voted them into power.
“You” as-in “a voter/someone”.
Not you as-in you specifically, obviously.You’re conflating assholes here.
Fascists absolutely care who you voted for. They put party (and then country) above everything else. The word you were looking for is racists. They care about skull sizes and skin color.
These groups are not mutually inclusive, but there is a whole lot of overlap.
He won the popular vote…
There are over 340 million people in this country. 70 million people isn’t a majority. And not even all of those people are fascists.
If you vote for a fascist, you’re a fascist.
Not everyone did so knowingly. There are people who did knowingly vote for fascists of course. But there are plenty of people who got brainwashed by Fox News. It’s not useful to create millions of enemies when we already outnumber the fascists.
Fox News brainwashed my Grandma and Mom. They’re both Jewish. My Grandmother didn’t live to see this. She was the kindest person I’ve ever met. She would never hurt anyone.
My Mom’s an asshole, but she’s still my Mom and I lover her despite the fact she is brainwashed and misgenders me because my peace of mind makes her insecure. You think the fascists are going to care that she voted for them? As far as the fascists are concerned, she’s one more person they get to kill.
“I didn’t think the leopards world eat my face”, cried person who voted for the Leopards Eating Faces Party
I have to agree here. My father was a very well educated man. He has parts that he designed and manufactured by himself in the Smithsonian Aeronautical Museum, as well as parts that he designed and manufactured in the Hubble.
In the end, the fall of this intelligent man was Fox News. It is a brain worm. I loved him dearly, but the combination of conspiracy and hatred consumed him in the end. The last time I saw him, he asked to see his son. I will never recover from this.
Also, if you fail to vote against a fascist… 😬
Only 64 million people and still counting voted for Harris. This strategy would have us turn against everyone else in the US and allow the fascists to outnumber us by our own hands. It is a useless strategy. Organizing with everyone we can against fascists is how we win. We outnumber them.
This. Fucking this. We can only win next time if we let them know now that they are terrible people who made terrible choices. That will definitely lead to victory.
Yes, but how many are of voting age, though, and how many of those are eligible? 340 million includes everyone, including those who can’t.
The worst case estimate has it at 11 million people are fascists in the US. This is from 2018, but it gives a good ball park number for today. edit: 2018 not 2016
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/10/17670992/study-white-americans-alt-right-racism-white-nationalists
161 million registered voters in 2024. ~140 million votes cast.
This is emphatically true, however, the majority of this country is silent. They don’t vote.
This is how democracy dies, and this is how evil wins.
That’s why efforts to organize grassroots movements need to start now. While we still have the cover of our democracy for about the next two and half months. When happens next depends on our ability to convince people who don’t vote to care.
Yeah, we all know people like this… People who should care, but they don’t. Most are older folks in my experience.
On the bright side, Trump is very old and unhealthy. I’m not sure he can make it another 4 years. His mind is already going, it’s very clear to anyone not drinking the Kool Aid.
Belief can be a source of hope during dark times but the Nazis weren’t stopped with good intentions and a pat on the shoulder. They were fought back with blood, steel and a fuckton of bombs.
Defend yourself against fascists.
If you didn’t read The Parable of the Sower and The Parable of Talents by Octavia Butler in/before 2016, now is a good time to do so.
We save us, because nobody else is.
(I know this is from a different account, but I’m OP) - I’m familiar with biblical parables, I don’t have too much time to read these days, can you give me summary?
They’re not really biblical in the sense that they’re about the Christian Bible, although they’re certainly religious (in the sense that the main character is developing a new religion focused on long term survival of humanity). They’re sci-fi books set in the near future of the US, basically during end stage capitalism. It’s hard to give an exact summary because those books are about a lot, but I would say primarily they’re about the importance of empathy and community.
Thanks. I’ll check them out. I do have to add, though, that knowing the biblical parables has my head spinning with curiosity at this point!
Octavia Butler was an absolute artist with story telling, they didn’t just name part of the Los Angeles Central Library after her because she’s from here! You’re in for a treat.
The crazy thing is…this might be good for my country (Switzerland) since Trump was the first president to begin discussing a free trade agreement between the USA and us…
But other than that, yeah :S
Why don’t you guys start a revolution against first-past-the-post? Fascism has far less power that way.
If we are at the point of solution by revolution, I think our aims should be higher than just first past the post…
Remind me again what style of democracy the Weimar Republic had?
We had ranked-choice-voting at the State level on the ballot here in Oregon and voters rejected it by about 60%.
Sounds about white.
I don’t know why you are getting down voted. It’s who beat them. White guys came out and voted it out.
I think both parties that have power right now are opposed to RCV because it makes their job harder - they would have to be For something rather than just Against they opponent
The parties themselves would dislike RCV, but the voting public should embrace it.
Came here to say this as well, and OR is a reliably liberal state.
Same in my state. I voted against the amendment that banned it but I actually didn’t fully realize it was about ranked choice voting until I checked results. I hate that shit. It makes me so angry.
Better do it now, cause glorious leader Trump will mobilize the military to shut it down quick.
We have Tiananmen Square Massacre at home.My state just banned ranked choice lol
Unfortunately only the calm and sane people are upset, and it’s harder to whip us into a full revolution.
The elites have been studying for decades. They now know exactly how far they can push us before we fight back. That’s why inequality is worse now than before the French revolution, but nothing has changed. They’ve learned how to prevent us from revolting.
Surely all of the revolutionaries online dissuading people from voting Harris will kick into gear and get everyone motivated to change the constitution, fix the electoral system, eliminate capitalism, and obtain gay space communism for all.
Most of us have been, and will continue to be, engaging in direct action in our day-to-day lives.
Yeah keep it up because it’s obviously going great 👍
It is for my community. Liberals being apathetic about the status quo isn’t my responsibility
Sounds great, where exactly is this thriving community? Grand Delusions, MI?
The left endlessly quibbling with each other with definitely not get us there or anywhere. Your beef is with the idiotic trump voters, not people further left than Kamala
My beef is with purported leftists online that did their damnedest to dissuade people from voting at all.
Some of us need to move to the boondocks to infiltrate. Goddammit I don’t want to live in the boondocks though. >:C
I lived there, it was ok (I still visit) but there are no jobs.
I moved from a blue state to Michigan 2 years ago. Thought it might help…
Don’t give up, just don’t be nice to republicans. And make sure to harass the next administration for our rights. Fucking racist rapist criminals.
What rights do you really have when there is a Supreme Court that will allow them to be trampled?
I’m cutting out everyone in my life who voted Trump or 3rd party. This includes my parents, all of my siblings, and my in-laws. They don’t realize the damage they’ve done. I can’t even stand to look at them anymore, so I won’t.
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I am sure that if Trump has his way, you will no longer have rights to fight for. It comes to a point where you can no longer just fight the symptoms, you need to fight the disease. Americans just voted for the disease.
Now we get to see it play out. All the folks saying he was kidding about ______. Let’s see. Now we’ll see…
This guy’s literally going to bankrupt the country on purpose because it won’t hurt the billionaires
*it will give the billionaires the chance to buy everything up cheap
Good thing you have your guns, then right?
Some people aren’t American. Some people (like me) just live in countries that follow USAs footsteps when it comes to politics.
If I had a gun right now, I wouldn’t trust myself.
Guns are not the answer. Responsible people know when and how to use a gun. But the gun freaks in the USA are the irresponsible idiots that think guns work like in the movies. We have a ton of untreated mental illness in our country.
Oh, that’s literally why I wouldn’t trust myself and can’t legally buy a gun. I have depression, anxiety, and ADHD. I’m too afraid I’d have a bad day, like today, and blow my brains out and still live anyways.
And I’m medicated. I can’t imagine how people without their meds would feel.
I’ve taken my meds but I’m out of cannabis and straight up not having a good time right now
I stopped drinking 5 years ago. I quit smoking weed 4 months ago.
It’s… It’s really hard to not just go out and buy some weed to fill that void in my soul right now.
I think tomorrow, I’m gonna double my Adderall dose.
And when it comes down to action, the liberals are about as effective in pushing change as the DNC.
Hope you are ok, stay safe and seek help if necessary.
Well, time to pack up my bags. Netherlands here I come.
We elected a party that’s barely any better on social policy and just as bad on foreign policy with a talking head that’s Dutch Trump
Are you talking about that Geert Wilders guy?
Yes
In addition, we also have Thierry Baudet if you wanna see a full copy of Trumpism.
My family is trying to sort out which European country to move too and it seems like so many of them are electing some sort of Trump.
For me Europe is still a better option than the US for two primary reasons.
First, most countries are so far ahead of America in terms of social progress even if a PM/president/whatever leader takes a country back 30 years it’ll still be way ahead of the US.
Second, most European countries have a much better voting system that will make it easier to oust the Trumpian leader and fix the stuff they messed up in the future.
