• db0
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    This is what believing in elections does. Complacent on victory, depressed in defeat. Disregard elections and take direct action. Nobody can take that away from you.

    • @[email protected]
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      Voted as an attempt at harm reduction. But i had mail-in so it took me 2 minutes.

      Believe in them or not, they’re not for change. You’re right insofar as popular direct action creates tangible change in the world.

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        People keep insisting how little time it takes them when the argument against electoralism is toward the massive amount of volunteer work wasted around it and the show of support to the concept itself.

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          Yeah but we can see from liberalism that a “show of support” means jack shit. The ballot is a tool to quell the masses against revolt. Participation there doesn’t mean you accept it as the whole of your political voice.

          The volunteer work is a bullshit aspect. It certainly means the majority of electoral workers are those with the ability to volunteer. Hence, lead poisoned boomers.

    • Franklin
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      This rings particularly tone deaf to me, given that the reason it happened again was low voter turnout.

      • db0
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        138 months ago

        The reason it happened was because the Dems supported unpopular policies like genocide

        • Franklin
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          Ah yes, that old chestnut. Well I’m glad we solved that problem. Good job team.

          /s

          • db0
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            It sure sounds like you learned nothing, so I guess you’ll continue getting fascists for the foreseeable future until your society collapses.

            • Franklin
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              We did a fascist but your reason is wrong. The reason is voter suppression and a lost culture war. It is in the interest of capitalists to push narratives that insight racism, transphobia and xenophobia in order to divide the working class and further their political capture.

              Unfortunately it seems to be incredibly effective especially in times of unrest.

              • db0
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                What are you gonna do about it? Vote harder?

                • Franklin
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                  and volunteer in my community, same as I did all along. What are you going to do, play right into their hand harder?

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          well this sure showed the dems didn’t it. sure there’ll be some acceptable losses under trump. but thats ok if get the chance to do what exactly? watch the genocide get less media attention as it continues? watch violent crackdowns on any protests? make a convincing graph showing the increase in queer kids not doing the alive thing anymore? whats the grand plan? bitch about the dems in the mid* terms if they still happen?

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            What’s your grand plan to fight against all that? Bitch on lemmy? Were you doing anything against the very real scenario of all these coming to pass instead of clearly ineffectual electoralism?

            • Promethiel
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              Fuck was your plan to stop the genocide in Palestine asshole, go kill Net with the brassy swinging of your massive balls? Go fuck yourself, you ain’t helping anyone, Palestinian or otherwise.

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                Not propping up the system causing genocides is a good start. You can’t expect to keep doing all the actions that sustain and show endorsement to the status quo for decades, but then want to stop one single thing caused by that system immediately.

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              been a little busy up to this morning trying to talk friends and family on the left into participating in the thing. my plan didn’t work. the protest voters and unmotivated who wont be harmed by any of this won. congrats. now we still* have to do all the plans too? no plan for after the protest votes got dreamed up? i’m shocked. i’ll be busy for the next few weeks now talking my queer friends and family out of their very real panic and making sure their mental health is ok. then theres still a perfectly good political party sitting there i’d like to get back to hijacking please. it’s right fucking there. why do we all keep acting like we need to burn it down and start over. just take their toys.

              • db0
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                You can’t change the system from within. “Take their toys” doesn’t work and has never worked.

    • @[email protected]
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      I know this is from a different account, but fml. I’m sure you are aware of how depressing things are as a fellow anarchist. I have to go vote, because I try to give a shit.

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        It’s because I give a shit that I try to point people should not give up hope because the electoral system didn’t go “their way”. If you’re already doing direct action, just keep doing it. Nothing changes and your direct actions actually changes things. If you’re not doing it, why not?

    • @[email protected]
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      Elections are how we achieve a peaceful transfer of power. Hopefully fascist incompetence will so fully debilitate this Trump administration that we manage to hold another one. We can’t count on it though. We need to organize in the meantime.

    • @[email protected]
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      What direct action will get me the testosterone I need to not kill myself in the event Trump bans all gender affirming care?

      • db0
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        The risk of of civil disobedience and procurement through mutual aid networks I’d guess

      • @[email protected]
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        I hate to say it… but DIY. There are resources for help. I am hesitant to post direct links, but know help is there!

        • @[email protected]
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          Estrogen is kinda fine, testosterone being a controlled substance makes DIY much more illegal for me.

          • @[email protected]
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            Is it available on the dark web? It’s absurd but you might need to buy health care as if it’s an illegal drug.

          • @[email protected]
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            Hearing this is morally reprehensible for me. Shit, here people can just buy testosterone from shady TV ads - gas stations even! Here’s hoping you can find your way, and know that there’s a lot of us on Lemmy that will help where we can <3

  • @[email protected]
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    The crazy thing is…this might be good for my country (Switzerland) since Trump was the first president to begin discussing a free trade agreement between the USA and us…

    But other than that, yeah :S

  • @[email protected]
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    Well, good news I guess, with the way the climate is gonna go now you won’t be living long at all.

    • IHeartBadCode
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      Also…. No one is going to try and burn down the Capitol this time. So we’ve got that.

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        Though once Trump comes up with some new logo that may or not be a swastika and it becomes draped with that logo that may not be a good thing. Though I see him going more the Mussolini route and putting his face on shit

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      If pollution under Trump is as bad as he is promising the idea of hitting 5 degrees C by 2075 doesn’t seem that far fetched.

      It’s 2024 so that’s 51 years from now. I’m 31. If I’m not dead by then I would be 82. So I could, in theory, live to see it.

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      We’re going to get our shit rammed in by climate collapse. It was going to happen either way, but I am old enough that I was hoping to be able to delay it enough to run down the clock.

  • Guy Ingonito
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    If George Clooney was the democratic nominee, he would have won easily.

  • @[email protected]
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    stolen election, fake news, time to throw a hissy fit and storm the capital and then blame the feds like a pussy… I mean is there any other way to handle this?

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    Some of us need to move to the boondocks to infiltrate. Goddammit I don’t want to live in the boondocks though. >:C

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    Every day I look back at one day I had in 2016 when I felt like killing myself and wonder why I didn’t just fucking do it.

    I’m sure in ten years, I’ll look back on this and… wish I had done it now.

    • @[email protected]
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      Don’t do it. We’re going to need to help each other through what’s coming, and I’ll absolutely fight for your rights, whoever you are.

    • ඞmir
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      We elected a party that’s barely any better on social policy and just as bad on foreign policy with a talking head that’s Dutch Trump

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          Yes

          In addition, we also have Thierry Baudet if you wanna see a full copy of Trumpism.

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        My family is trying to sort out which European country to move too and it seems like so many of them are electing some sort of Trump.

        For me Europe is still a better option than the US for two primary reasons.

        First, most countries are so far ahead of America in terms of social progress even if a PM/president/whatever leader takes a country back 30 years it’ll still be way ahead of the US.

        Second, most European countries have a much better voting system that will make it easier to oust the Trumpian leader and fix the stuff they messed up in the future.

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    I’ve never agreed with the professor more than I do now. At least he actually has the option!

  • @[email protected]
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    On the bright side, if there’s no extreme corruption we won’t be hearing from him starting 2029

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          118 months ago

          Starting to seriosuly consider making a solar punk party. I wanna be the radical progressives GOP thinks dems are but I dk where to start.

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            Find and join a mutual aid organization. Food not bombs is a good entry point for research if not participation.

              • @[email protected]
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                Absolutely! There’s lots centered around the unhoused. There are also other orgs like Mutual Aid Disaster Relief (MADR) and some focused on immigration along the southern border.

                But there’s all kinds, they’re all over, just not always easy to find.