I’m not sure what’s going on over there, but half the time I see a post from there or go into a comment section and it’s just…bad. Like old reddit the_donald bad. Constant trolling, etc. You TS just really bad vibes. I’ve been blocking the communities as they come up, but I’m not sure what else I can do.
Unless they start brigading heavily or cross a line in terms of the communities they house, we won’t be defederating them.
Their own communities are, quite something, but their admins have told them to be on their best behaviour when engaging in communities outside of their instance, and so far, they seem to be doing that
to be on their best behaviour when engaging in communities outside of their instance
They weren’t in Lemmy.ca, got defederated for shitposting, and being trolls over there.
Yep. Excessive spam of the pig poop emojis, brigades and harassing people. Shadow made the right choice kicking them out
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I think the fact that they’re more active in this thread than the blahaj folks is fairly emblematic of the problem. They can’t seem to help themselves with the brigading and they do seem to be drowning out local opinion with tankie rhetoric and spam.
EDIT: Just pointing out that if this were a blahaj exclusive thread you would get a very different sense of where popular opinion actually stands.
EDIT 2: I was initially pretty excited about federating with hexbear but I think after seeing the effect it has on the overall tone of discussion I’m pretty disappointed.
Not having downvotes does not, by any means, mean you need to post your disagreement. Our instance also does not have downvotes. You ARE drowning out exactly the sort of discussion this community is for. I can guarantee what you would like to say has already been posted and upvoting those posts and moving on IS the appropriate way to handle this issue in a meta community for an instance you are not a part of.
We just like to post a lot
we just post more than everyone else
you’ve gotta keep up
I see this post on my front page. I come in and comment. Many hexbears do the same. We just post a lot. No “brigade” necessary.
I mean, i’d rather have this conversation with their input.
And yes, they have opinions. Opinions with which I often disagree. But recently my largest annoyance on Lemmy has been the “why are you intolerant towards bigots” contingent, not the hexbears.
We’re one of the oldest instances and have a ton of extremely active users. This post is about our instance and appeared in our feed, why wouldn’t some of us respond to it?
Responding to ridiculous claims which now appear on our own instance, comparing us to Donald Trump supporters, is not “brigading”.
You understand federation, right? It means that what you post here shows up on hexbear, what we post shows up on blahaj, and we can all interact. You wanna defederate - go for it. But don’t make ridiculous, outlandish, baseless claims about thousands of people (who are probably the best allies you have on lemmy as evidenced by other instances ITT) and call it “brigading” when people refuse those outrageous claims.
I think the fact that they’re more active in this thread than the blahaj folks is fairly emblematic of the problem.
It’s a thread about us, so . . .
tankie rhetoric
My valiant neoliberal argument. Their insidious tankie rhetoric.
Just pointing out that if this were a blahaj exclusive thread you would get a very different sense of where popular opinion actually stands.
You can see the instance of the poster, can’t you? And it’s not like hexbear people are able to downvote posts,
so our vote is (while still something) relatively weaker.tankie rhetoric
It’s a thread about us, so . . .
It’s actually a community about us, so…
My valiant neoliberal argument. Their insidious tankie rhetoric.
I am a leftist.
You can see the instance of the poster, can’t you? And it’s not like hexbear people are able to downvote posts, so our vote is (while still something) relatively weaker.
We can’t downvote either, but a quick sampling shows over 3x as many hexbear users commenting as blahaj, so…
It’s kinda brutal, I actually started this night completely on their side.
It’s actually a community about us, so…
It’s an instance that is federated and it’s not like there aren’t people from other federated instances popping in to offer absolute bullshit.
I am a leftist.
Go on . . .
We can’t downvote either, but a quick sampling shows over 3x as many hexbear users commenting as blahaj, so…
See the first sentence, you can see where we come from. An admin isn’t going to mistake hexbear users for blahaj users, as you demonstrated with your sampling. Noted on the voting part.
I just found this thread, and I’m struggling to find discussion from users of my instance about this. It took me scrolling quite a while to see the reply from our own admin about this. It’s not just about the admins being able to see what comments are from blahaj users. I mean, I think comparing y’all to T_D is fucking bullshit. But like many other blahaj users have said by now, I want to defederate purely based off the brigading of this thread.
I’ve told users from other instances to fuck off out of meta discussions of defederation before and I’ll tell you the same thing.
To all the blahaj users, wasn’t it so refreshing that the admins removed top-level comments from other instance users on the kbin.social defederation post? I think that was the perfect balance, because this thread is a complete fucking shitshow. Not blaming the admins for that, they posted that thread so it would have been easier to keep on top of moderating it.
no one has linked to this thread and encouraged users to jump in. it’s just at the top of Active.
You say “brigading” but I’m just here because the thread was on the front page of Active, and I think most of the other activity from Hexbear users here can be accounted for that way. The only place where there is evidence of “brigading” is the admin’s “People of Nato” comment (which, as an aside, is just an awful take).
We don’t have downvotes because some asshats were targetting trans posts(those asshats were purged) so we comment when we disagree.
So, we don’t have downvotes and haven’t for years. If I want to disagree with you, I have to respond, and I disagree with you. I’m not intending you harm by my reply, but, we’re on a forum, what am I to do but post?
Tend to agree.
tankie rhetoric
The largest and most inclusive trans positive space outside of blahaj has “tankie rhetoric”. You might want to think on that.
It’s almost like leftists stand for trans rights because it’s in the best interests of our material conditions
This aged poorly lol
Thanks, blahaj.zone is the only real instance I’ve liked on wider fedi because it actually does a decent job of moderating transphobia and homophobia, also I’ve enjoyed posting in the queer comms you have on your instance <3
That’s good to hear! I like getting blahaj posts in my feed
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Have you been in the news communities of late? Any time Russia/Ukraine comes up they’re flooding it with Russian apologia and silly emoticons.
No moreso than liberals are flooding it with liberal apologia. Also the vast majority of us aren’t pro russia, we’re anti NATO and Anti the war in Ukraine. Russia is fucked
No moreso than liberals are flooding it with liberal apologia
By sheer numbers we are probably “flooding” it more, though that isn’t to speak one way or the other about the legitimacy of what any of us might say
It’s not Russian apologia. It’s just pointing out that Ukraine is not a smol bean like the saturation by western media and Reddit lackeys have painted it as.
In a thoughtful and respectful dialogue, it would be more constructive to engage with differing ideas on their merits, rather than dismissing them with labels that may or may not apply.
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Yeah the “whAt AbOuT UkraInian FASciSm” thing is pushed really hard over there.
I stand with and support whatever you choose to do. I just thought I’d bring it up. Thanks for all you do!
My only complaint is the popularity might be crashing our instance lol, but they are cool.
My opinion is please defederate. Thank you.
Hexbear leans meme-tankie but on the flipside they’re very supportive of queer people. I don’t agree with them on everything, but I don’t feel unwelcome there either, so I personally disagree with both defederation and the comparison to T_D.
It’s not their political stance or my agreement or disagreement I think makes them like t_d. It’s the general vibe of most things I’ve come across. It’s a vibe that’s very edge-lord. Like “if you’re offended by me talking about that’s you’re problem” kind of vibe.
FWIW, I’m very leftist and actually agree with a lot of the stances I see on there, which makes it worse. I pop open a comment section and go “oh goddamnit” and block another community.
FWIW, I’m very leftist
[Hexbear is] Like old reddit the_donald bad
we need a Democrat who isn’t just a “not Trump” candidate
I’ve been told that emojis don’t load properly on other instances so I won’t use any but there are so many emojis that could describe my face right now
Ffs I was a long time /r/chapotraphouse user and even tried to use the website after the sub got banned (nothing against it even, just didn’t really have enough of my interests to really keep me) But y’all gotta admit this is pretty fucking embarrassing. Like this is a instance meta post on a pretty small, very explicitly pro trans leftist instance, do ANY of you think you would have actually been defederated in the first place? Like genuinely, do you not think you would’ve just had people like me say “naw they’re chill”. But instead you put an odd couple hundred comments on this thread when the biggest in the little bit, has about 40? And get this, it’s also a thread a defedding from an instance, but actually deserved it, and our admin had already been on the case? Embarrassing.
Big time edit: This was the comment I had originally typed out, and while I still believe quite a bit of it, I’m kinda disgusted by the amount of Russia apologia and pro war sentiment generally. But let me guess, I must be pro nato?
Hexbear is more trans friendly than the majority of trans places, honestly. The reason for this is the mods defer to trans users on what counts as transphobia, half the mod team itself is trans, and offensive posts are removed quickly before they can affect other people. I’d say its more trans positive than here, based off what I’ve seen. There are chaser comments that are left up even in response to moderators and admins on blahaj, these would be rapidly removed on hexbear. Plenty of trans places, this one included, also are not very good at weeding out people that are being sneaky about their transphobia and chaser habits, which can poison the well. And not only do the moderators of hexbear do good work, the dev team specifically goes out of their way to program ways to make trans users feel more comfortable (e.g. the universal pronoun tag system).
As a trans woman that is also a survivor of abuse, jokes are made all over the internet about sexual violence and its very hard for me to avoid upsetting my PTSD. Hexbear actively removes these sorts of posts rapidly, too, and even removes borderline cases like bringing up SV out of context and without content warnings. For these reasons hexbear is the main site I visit, no other site or community really comes close.
I’ve been blocking individual communities as they pop up in my feeds.
I wish there were an easier method for this (like via the vertical “…” kebab menu) without having to click into the community directly.
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They aren’t as bad as I thought they’d be but some of them really are too combative. I’ve seen them get into arguments with people for not being the correct type of left I don’t know how to respond to them because I’m not a polisci or world history major.
I’m also pretty tired of those huge emojis. The pig butt thing was funny maybe once. I don’t know what the right answer is I’d just wish they would chill.
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The emote problem seems like it’d be really annoying, I’ve stopped using them when I’m not on hexbear communities (though sometimes I forget what instance I’m on sorry in advance).
As for the “wrong type of leftist” sort of stuff, hexbear tries to be a big tent community for leftists (we’ve got all sorts over there although it’s admittedly heavily leaning towards marxist-leninists) and it tends to be a much more welcoming site outside of those overcrowded threads on active where everyone is arguing.
Hopefully the chaos will die down soon enough.
Can you help me see the appeal of hexbear? I took a look before knowing any of this stuff about the instance(saw it in everything and had a look around). Reading how some users describe it (pro-trans, inclusive, not a US echo chamber) and being LGBT, having a trans husband and poly, and finds pro capitalism stuff kinda tiring I thought it would be a good fit for me but…as I look at posts on hot and the comments I see a lot that makes me uneasy.
Comments about how a user was talking with “euro trash”. The impression that if I’m not pro Russia then I must be pro America is something I see in the few Russia/Ukraine posts I read through.
Like…I’m very much anti capitalism and while I don’t know how far left I go I can’t understand how the community can say Ukraine should surrender to save lives and not become a US puppet when surely they’d just become a Russian puppet instead?
If what hexbear users say about the friendliness and inclusiveness it sounds like a group of people I’d love to chat with, but with what I see when I go there myself I just don’t see it. Yeah I haven’t seen any antilgbt of users but that’s kinda it
like others have said, the common understanding is more anti-NATO than pro-Russia, but if you’re on the other end of it, like getting into an argument with a Hexbear, we’re all going to have a pretty united front and not criticize eachother. That’s not to say there aren’t a lot of heated debate within the Hexbear community, that happens a lot. Esp on geopolitics.
from the perspective of the average westerner, who doesn’t really think of these things, yeah its very weird. The appeal I think lies in the incivility. These are people who are tired of civility-politics that dress up all the monstrous atrocities committed by the same people we’re all supposed to look up to as leaders. so the behavior I think is largely cathartic.
Looking at the big picture, I think to sum up the ukraine take that’s the most common on hexbear is: Ukraine cannot possibly win despite what we’ve all been lead to believe, the people who suffer most in any war is the working class (the people we sympathize with) so it’s better for a peace settlement to end the suffering, even if that means Russia “wins”. There’s a lot more history to the situation than that
While I agree with a lot of what you said (apart from Ukraine not having a chance, I’m not an expert in the matter (and surely it’s their choice?)) And I see the benefit of some cathartic release and generally having a space to complain/rant (god knows I’ve done it many times in more private spaces) I dont see the appeal to anybody who is not already very far down their leftist journey and worry it actively pushes people away. And hey maybe that’s intentional, maybe hexbear only wants these views but I get the impression from the comments defending the instance in other instance communities that this isn’t true?
If it’s intentional then I’m all for you having that space, benefits of the multitude of instances. That reminds me I need to create a new account elsewhere anyway
surely it’s their choice?
Should the people in the areas that voted to secede from Ukraine after the gov’t banned their language and supported military units shelling them right up until the day of the invasion have a choice?
But regarding the rest of Ukraine, every gun, weapon, and bomb we’ve sent there is a bad day for someone, statistically mostly civilians. They’re not fighting for freedom, they’re being sacrificed so that the Ukrainian land, gov’t, and businesses are owned by westerners instead of Russians. The only correct position is to oppose your own nation’s involvement.
Fair enough! I’ll just leave you with this:
You do have to wonder, yeah, is it their choice? Countries like the US, Russia and China can make “choices” but in geopolitics I’d say smaller countries like Ukraine kind of don’t. Maybe they can choose to be in Russian-sphere or EU-sphere, but they certainly can’t choose to be neutral. The powers that be: the US as the global hegemony, and Russia, the local regional hegemony are going to try their best to make those choices for them. It’s real bad
Genuinely I think Zelensky had promises made to him by the US/NATO about how much support he was going to get which the US reneged, and the far-right elements of his government and military he’s not able to control- so even him I don’t think has much choice. I do have (limited) sympathy for the guy. I think most people on Hexbear share a similar understanding, it’s def not a chauvinistic pro-Russia thing. Esp given how transphobic the Russian state is, you’re not going to see any touting of that as a good thing on hexbear.
So in your opinion, what would a good alternative have been? If Ukraine had simply said “here ya go” and became part of russia, then what? Russia stops there? They finally begin to become the global opponent that can defeat the usa and institute communism? Because last I checked, Putin help execute a bunch of those back in the day, and he seems to currently be the one in charge. I’m being genuine by the way, I just can’t comprehend how leftist folx can endorse like, a strongman leader who makes a show of invading another country?
I’m not the one you were talking to, but I think most Hexbears would prefer to see a negotiated settlement of some kind that brought an end to the war, one that also stopped the killing of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine that has been ongoing since 2014, and precluded Ukraine joining NATO (because Ukraine joining would complete NATO’s encirclement of Russia, something that Russia has been seeking to prevent for decades now, and which would dramatically increase nuclear tensions). I don’t think any Hexbears actually like Putin at all, and even “endorse” is an awfully strong word. And certainly no one thinks Putin’s Russia is going to institute communism. We just oppose the Western party line on the war, which gets us cast as pro-Russia (due to black-and-white thinking) when we’re totally not.
The standard Western position, by contrast, comes across to us as bloodthirsty, calling as it does for an extended conflict which will indefinitely prolong the suffering of the Ukrainian people. The West seems eager to spend Ukrainian lives for the sake of suppressing a geopolitical rival, not for humanitarian reasons but for economic ones, and so we stand against that.
I can’t understand how the community can say Ukraine should surrender to save lives and not become a US puppet when surely they’d just become a Russian puppet instead?
If Crimea from 2014 - 2022 is what being “a Russian puppet” entails, i.e. being Russian citizens, that’s a lot better than how being a US puppet goes. Unless you mean western Ukraine since Putin probably does not want to annex it anyway, but we can get some idea of what being “a Russian puppet” by that definition would be from looking at the terms of Minsk II, which seem much less bad to me than being a US puppet.
not pro Russia
No, its good to be Anti russia, you should just also be anti NATO because neither one is on our side
Comments about how a user was talking with “euro trash”
for what it’s worth, this user was contacted by a site mod and their wording was corrected. One thing that Hexbear explicitly stands against is dehumanizing language, most of the time you’ll have your post removed, or cop a ban for it if you don’t stop.
The popular consensus on Hexbear is anti-NATO, rather than pro-Russia. If this is a sticking point for you, I don’t think you will agree much with the average users on geopolitics.
But, as long as you stay out of the news megathread, you likely won’t see much discussion of the war on Hexbear.
You’re gaslighting when you say it’s a “big tent community for leftists”. I block any Hexbear community I see as it’s only people trying to “dunk on libs” while also saying they should “get up against the wall”.
You’re part of a toxic community and then come here and try to paint it as peaches and rainbows.
Just sort by Hot. :)
Hexbear is one of the biggest left unity instances on lemmy
Oh, well that’s nice to hear. Whatever I saw was probably an exception, and not the rule then.
Yeah fuck those guys
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You got lemm.ee folks doing actual transphobia (something hexbear does not do) in this thread - I eagerly await your next post about defederating with them.
Hexbear is really queer friendly and polite. It’s also one of the few actual leftist spaces on here after the homogenization of lemmy.world and lemmy.ml. The main goal I’ve interpreted from Blahaj.zone is to be a queer-first and affirming space on Lemmy, so one has to prove that Hexbear is a large enough systemic threat to Blahaj’s members to warrant defederating.
As someone else said, how are they queer friendly when they vehemently support anti-LGBTQ+ countries?
They also support Cuba, a nation with the most queer affirming family code in the entire world.
China has slowly been making life easier for queer people in the same fashion as the US (slow, very gradual changes decriminalization for example)
By this logic the EU is explicitly anti-queer because Poland is an EU member state which houses the most regressive policies in the entire world (“lgbt-free zones”) Yet Poland is not sanctioned, nor cut off from the EU.
The US has hundreds of anti-trans bills and the supreme court recently struck down legal protections for queer people (this case was also entirely fabricated to game the court system). Florida exists.
Not to mention the solidarity we should show to queer people across the globe. Pinkwashing history is not a solution.
Poland should be ousted from the EU for it’s horrid treatment of queer people, and the US is a strange mix since it’s mostly up to each state, and some states are horrible fucking cesspits that should not be supported in anyway (looking at you Florida).
If they only supported Cuba that would be okay. But China and Russia, fuck no.
It’s not “support” however. It’s just a discussion and news outlet for what’s happening outside of the direct US sphere of influence with like minded communists. My point being is that you can rarely pick and choose countries because queer liberation is always ongoing and multifaceted.
In any case, this isn’t grounds for defederation in my opinion. Simply block the communities as you see them or don’t engage.
Wait, how does Poland have the most regressive policies in the entire world when there are countries with the death penalty for LGBT people? Maybe they have the worst policies in Europe, but Hungary, Russia and Türkiye seem equally as regressive, if not more.
My issue isn’t with their takes or politics. My issue is the vibe. Maybe it’s because I’m older, and I want to have maybe an actual conversation with someone without having to deal with comments that consist of a pig pooping.
To be clear, when I said that it feels like t_d, I didn’t mean the political takes. I meant the edge lording and name calling. Granted, it’s mostly in their own community, but if you look at some of the behavior of their users here you’ll see what I’m talking about, and it’s leaked into other communities too.
Hiya! So, we do get pretty intense sometimes, but it comes from a good place and we love having extensive discussions about stuff, answering questions about our beliefs, why we believe them, etc. We’ll be happy to talk about it until after the heat death of the universe in fact. We do not tolerate bigotry of any kind and when we encounter it we do not hold back, so yeah, the intensity is warranted and necessary. We’re also good at smelling when someone is bullshitting us, because we’ve had to deal with people trying to fuck with us for 3 years. If you’re being earnest and you say as much and ask questions, you’ll get good faith interactions. Interesting and educational ones too, I’ll wager
I don’t think I’d describe hexbear as polite, they seem to get pretty rowdy, even antagonistic at times. Otherwise I agree though. It would be a shame to cut off one of the largest queer friendly instances out there.
We’re polite when met with good faith, next time you see hexbears ask them a question about their beliefs or whatever is going on, a clarification, a tangent, whatever. Just ask a real question (not a bullshit weighted question designed to be a landmine) like “could you tell me more about X? I don’t agree, but I haven’t heard about that before” and you’ll get polite and friendly responses (usually lol)
And yeah we get pretty rowdy and antagonistic at times like when we tell people to fuck off for throwing a fit about pronouns (which we did, then we banned them, then we made pronouns on Hexbear mandatory lol). That’s how you protect your community from reactionaries, racists, and bigots
Are pronouns actually mandatory on Hex?
Yes, and we banned everyone who didn’t want them mandatory. Because using optional pronouns is just a magnet for “this person is trans, dm them ‘you will never be woman, kys’” from Nazis. If everyone uses pronouns display, it is normalized.
Yes, but you can choose any/none/use name if you dont want it listed
Yes.
you’re allowed to set them to none/use name if you really prefer, but pronouns are always displayed yes
it’s part of what has made hexbear the friendliest space to be trans (period imo, but especially online)
Yes.
Like you can link me to something that says that?
Just try to make an account without pronouns on hexbear, you’ll see it is impossible.
Yeah, Hexbear is old Chapo, they left Reddit for Lemmy years ago. Because honestly, ChapoTrapHouse was a problematic community sometimes.
We were able to purge a lot of the dumb stuff out of CTH and made it better. There was a lot of chaser stuff on the old subreddit, I usually avoided comment sections there because itd make me too angry. The new mod team is very good though and obliterates transphobes and chasers on sight
lol. Chapo got kicked off for being mean to Slave Owners.
I’m not saying I hate hexbear or anything adjacent. I was a member of Chapo before it left Reddit and just didn’t make the jump. The John Brown thing was topic of the week when it was taken down, but what I remember the most from Chapo was the poop ball pig spam. Hilarious? Yes. Annoying? Also yes.
We do a little belligerence.
It’ll mostly blow over once we’ve familiarized properly with the federated experience, sometimes I’ll find myself outside local without realizing. also yeah toning down the emotes on other’s instances I fully get, that sounds unfortunately disruptive
Yeah the pig poop emoji is my one gripe about Hexbear
If people are replying to you with pig poop balls a lot you’re probably saying dumb shit
Nobody has replied to me with it I just don’t like it and think it’s annoying and gross
that’s reserved for people who’ve shown themselves to be chuds, if it’s even remotely possible to have a discussion we’ll opt for that first
That’s fine but outside of hexbear people don’t know that and it’s also just gross and annoying
Iirc the devs are working to make it not be giant for everyone else.
It may hearten you to know that internally we are having this discussion as well and I think it’s likely to get much less frequent. This time next year you’ll know if you see that image that a nazi is getting dunked on by your friendly neighborhood hexbear
Like old reddit the_donald bad
This seems pretty inaccurate?
I defederated my instance.
I thought lemmy.ca’s justification pretty compelling. They are self-avowedly more interested in trolling, harassing other users, and crapping on other people’s politics. They don’t even make a secret of it.
It’s unfortunate because they do seem really queer and queer-friendly. But they seem to be totally uninterested in doing anything other than dunking HARD on anyone to the right of Lenin. So… passing on seeing that, personally.
crapping on other people’s politics.
idk, I think neoliberals on lemmy often (not always) lean this way as well with the “bot” this and “tankie” that and “genocidal” the other thing. Surely, even if you agree with one or all of those, you can see how it fits “crapping on other people’s politics”?
They are self-avowedly more interested in trolling, harassing other users, and crapping on other people’s politics. They don’t even make a secret of it.
Source for this “self avowal”?
I’m sure you have a source and aren’t just making this up.
This thread is a pretty good example.
Could you link me to the comment that meets this criteria
They are self-avowedly more interested in trolling, harassing other users, and crapping on other people’s politics.
If you can’t see a tree in a forest, I can’t help you. It’s everywhere in this thread. We’ve got support for modern-day Russia, in this thread from hexbear users. There’s no point where it’s left to rest.
Well, the other person was having a hard time finding a single comment that meets this description. Since it is so easy Im guessing it shouldn’t be a problem for you?
Earlier in the thread:
Support Stalin: which country liberated Auschwitz? What country wrested control of Berlin from the Nazis? The Soviet Union. “Every Party member must raise his revolutionary qualities in every respect to the same level as those of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin” -Nelson Mandela
Support modern Russia- Russia opposes NATO, and anything that hurts the west is good. Also the current Ukraine government was founded by guys who want to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen.” Anyone killing Nazis is good, and Russia is currently doing so. “Russians are Asians. They have a completely different culture, vision. Our key difference from them is humanity” -Aleksy Danilov, head of Ukraine national security and defense council.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2007951 Here you go, and Sammer510 made quite a few comments in this thread.
They were making fun of someone who was making fun of pronouns. i really don’t see how you could take issue with that
Awwww you probably thought that was clever wordplay how cute
??? How is that what you’re claiming?
They’re the kind of far-left types the rest of us should avoid being associated with because they ruin all of our image in the long run.
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Nah get the hell out of here with that noise. Respectability politics is a dumb fucking game. The amount of times a cis queer person has told me as a trans person that I’m making the queer movement look bad is too high to count.
Fine, continue to act like a bunch of ten year olds hopped up on E numbers and a copy of Das Kapital and see how far that gets you in this world.
oh no, not your image
Yeah, some of us would like to be able to actually win elections and start changing things rather than fantasising about a glorious revolution that isn’t coming.
Winning elections doesn’t matter if the only choices are the ones the two corporate parties allow.
Look the only thing holding US politics back was blahaj.zone being federated with hexbear, if they just do that somehow the GOP will stop attacking trans people because then their image will be better mkay sweaty?
From where I’m standing it doesn’t matter if you win or lose elections, the shitheads you elect will just spend all the money they can on war, make up endless excuses for why they can’t actually fix problems and allow reactionaries to run hog wild in the meantime.
we’ve got to vote harder
I mean good luck with that- even if we didn’t exist, conservatives of all stripes will slander you as a disgusting communist. They do that to democrats in the US even. Worrying about image should be the least of anyone’s concern
Like any of the elections you dipshits win actually change anything lmfao
Two years before the Russian revolution, Lenin said that he would never see the revolution in his lifetime. A good future may be closer then you think.
inshallah
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It seems i was wrong. He did not say this two years prior, but in fact in january of 1917. Lenin wrote:
“We of the older generation may not live to see the decisive battles of this coming revolution. But I can, I believe, express the confident hope that the youth which is working so splendidly in the socialist movement of Switzerland, and of the whole world, will be fortunate enough not only to fight, but also to win, in the coming proletarian revolution.”
Source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/jan/09.htm
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It seems i was wrong. He did not say this two years prior, but in fact in january of 1917. Lenin wrote:
“We of the older generation may not live to see the decisive battles of this coming revolution. But I can, I believe, express the confident hope that the youth which is working so splendidly in the socialist movement of Switzerland, and of the whole world, will be fortunate enough not only to fight, but also to win, in the coming proletarian revolution.”
Source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/jan/09.htm
He definitely said at some point in the 20th century that he wouldn’t live to see the revolution. I would have guessed 1914, but it’s hard to search for.
Lol 2 of 4 points was malding at PPBs
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Yes, seems reasonable to me!
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