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The new law permits pedestrians to cross a roadway at any point, including outside of a crosswalk. It also allows for crossing against traffic signals and specifically states that doing so is no longer a violation of the city’s administrative code. But the new law also warns that pedestrians crossing outside of a crosswalk do not have the right of way and that they should yield to other traffic that has the right of way.
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The cemetery is full of people who had the right of way.
the bricks all end up on one side of the cross walk. good idea, no way for it to actually work.
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It’s a joke.
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Just throw them back after use.
I love it, an elegant solution … now if only we could find an elegant end user to actually implement it.
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Regular enough bidirectional foot traffic would make it work.
Japan used a flag system, the higher the traffic the less likely it is to work
Flags aren’t bricks.
It’s hard throw a flag through a windshield.
Yet somehow some city think it’s a good idea to use the same exact idea but with a flag when crossing the street.
Insane it was ever made illegal.
Eh, keeping car traffic smooth is way more challenging than keeping pedestrian traffic smooth. Also people tend to be more chaotic in there direction than cars. If a car stops in front of you you’re sorta stuck if a human stops in front of you you can always bash him in the head with a bar stool or go around or whatever.
I know it was auto manufacturers lobbying for the law but can you imagine people just randomly darting across an interstate moving at 80+ mph? I can because I have seen it before and not once have I thought wow I sure am glad that’s legal.
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What, wait, no. I’ve lived in very rural areas, wtf was I supposed to do without a car? Bike back and forth a few hours for groceries?
There will always be edge cases. The trick is that your scenario ought to be an edge case rather than the most common case.
Some one is free to search actual numbers but in the US something like
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50% of the population is urban
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75% of the population is suburban or urban
For sure different transit or walking options are better for different scenarios but most people, including in the US, are in places where buses or trains can be useful
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Can you imagine a car going 80+ mph in city traffic? I can’t
I still can primarily because I live in Texas, it is not at all uncommon, not even on the interstate, though 40mph work zone going into school zones it happens regularly.
I can. I just don’t expect it to reach its destination without crashing.
I think you might have picked a bad community to share your sympathies for smooth car traffic, I’m afraid.
For what it’s worth, I think it’s reasonable enough to forbid pedestrians from crossing high-speed (60+ mph) roads, but otherwise they should have full right of way over any road, and fuck the cars. They can just be patient and deal with it.
Maybe, but the alternative is unrealistic and simply not the reality we Live in.(at least in the United States)
That’s how every progressive movement starts, until activists make them reality. If it’s a good idea, it’s a good idea - and if that’s not the way that things are done, the question stops being “is this a good idea”, and starts being “how can we implement this good idea”.
And this changes: nothing
Council member Mercedes Narcisse, a Brooklyn Democrat who sponsored the legislation, said on Tuesday that the new law ends racial disparities in enforcement, noting that more than 90% of the jaywalking tickets issued last year went to Black and Latino people.
Never heard of Walking While Black? This at least forces police to come up with better excuses.
No you’re right. Jaywalking was abused to target minorities but never did the law ever do anything to prevent it from happening.
Thats the beauty of the law. All bad faith actors are able to get a use case, the rest gets fucked
“Jaywalking” being a crime is such a fundamentally brainrot thing
The law here in Brazil, not that anyone follows it, but it basically follows the logic of “the smaller you are, the more of a right of way you have”. I.e. theoretically, a car should ALWAYS stop or slow itself to save a pedestrian or cyclist or even a motorcyclist
… Again, not that anyone follows it, but it IS on the paper.
That’s the same logic in the US. Except everyone yields to animals, because you can’t tell a horse or a mule not to trample that person who walks next to them
It would be nice if this was followed but the reality of the world is the opposite. It’s right of weight, not right of way.
the term used here is “vulnerable”. Vulnerability gives you priority
… it was illegal? No one has received a ticket for jaywalking in nyc.
Adam Ruins Everything had an episode about jaywalking and how it became a crime.
No white people maybe.
Are there ever any tickets for any sort of traffic violation of any sort in nyc?
Turning right on red apparently
I drive a delivery truck though nyc one day a week. I have unadulterated rage for the single passenger suvs that sit in the middle of intersections, causing gridlock cause they think they’ll miss something by waiting their turn.
They were also fans of using it against left-wing protestors while ignoring the right doing it, particularly in the case of anti-genocide protests. I assume they will just find something new to pick people off in the crowd now.
Is disturbing the peace still a thing for them?
Yes.
In England and Wales where I am based, there is a really useful website that has information on laws that police like to use for protests: https://greenandblackcross.org/guides/laws/. Its a bit of a shame that the National Lawyers Guild doesn’t also provide public resources on laws for the US states that they operate in in a similar way.
Jaycarring is the new trend
While I certainly don’t think it should be a crime, 90% of the time I see people do it, they are near crosswalks and continue to walk towards them after dangerously playing frogger. What is the motivation? Why are you increasing the danger? Doesn’t make any sense.
Roads are the shackles of the patriarchy. Half joking
Where I’m from you need to be at least 30 meters from a crosswalk. Although in practice it just becomes whether or not there is a crosswalk within eyesight.
UI vs UX
In a lot of situations I would rather cross mid block than at a corner crosswalk. The cars can’t be relied on to stop anyway, and mid-block there are a lot less directions you have to worry about.
Even if the intersection is signalized given the existence of right turns on red it’s still often safer to cross mid block.
I could see that in some areas. I rarely feel the need to do this myself, but there are occasions where it does make sense.
That’s a good point most places, but in NYC, there is no turn on red. I still agree with being able to cross anywhere.
For the same reason that people dangerously exceed speed limits.
In Denmark it’s illegal to cross the road 10-20m (or something like that, forgot the exact number) from a croasswalk. Outside that zone you can cross as much as you want. We are though seeing fences pop up on higher traffic roads to discourage crossing, but mostly on ring roads in bigger cities, not in the cities themselves.
There’s no exact number. The law (færdselsloven §10.5) says “nearby”.
similar in Austria, if there’s a crosswalk within 25 meters, you have to use it although even that law has an exemption “this doesn’t apply if traffic allows it without doubt and vehicle traffic isn’t impaired”
Hint: most trams in Vienna are 35 meters long, so you can cross at the other end of a tram stop if there’s a crosswalk only on one end.
This is how Illinois has been for ages. The legal penalties for hitting a pedestrian are higher to compensate. And if you hit a construction worker you’d best hope you’re rich, because that’s a big-ass $10k fine on top of 10 years.
IIRC, it’s still illegal in many Australian states.
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When you can’t train police not to be racist, just give up and make shit legal. What could possibly go wrong?
restricting where and when people can walk in in a public space? sounds like communism
it’s tiring to even think about the subjects to approach just to get you to see the ignorance in this comment
start by reading these 2 articles ☞
sorry this was a joke mocking conservatives who preach freedom but support jaywalking laws. i should have made it more clear.
In 28 years living in New York, the vast majority of my crossing the street is done between the blocks. Some of them are very long.
And New Yorkers cross the street like we own it because we know that anyone who hits us is gonna get their ass sued off and have to pay out ridiculous amounts of money.
this really threw me when I first visited new york. I come from a place where you don’t dare try that because you WILL get hit and the driver will likely get no consequences. seeing new yorkers just walk out into traffic without even looking was such a mindfuck
I support this law (fuck cars), but if you step into the street thinking an oncoming car won’t destroy you like a pinata stuffed with ketchup packets, you have survived the luckiest lawsuit-free 28 years.
Good, especially since the law just targets POC.
If car traffic became 50% worse to make walking traffic 5% better, that’s a win for humans in the city. It’ll help convince more people to use non-car methods of transportation and that helps spark people to vote for and invest in more non-car infrastructure.
Ditching cars in populated cities isn’t a magic law or anything, it’s a slow incremental burn; legalizing pedestrians walking strictly helps that
Everything we do to make car travel worse (except for ambulances and disabled folks) is a win
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There are plenty of places you’re not allowed to walk for your own safety and the safety of others. It’s not a crazy concept, although I do think that jaywalking should be legal
“Right to Travel” == right to walk on and across an interstate freeway where 5000 lb death missiles are hurtling past me at 90 mi/hr.
Airports are so annoyingly difficult to walk around.
I prefer walking straight through, personally.
Step 1: be American
Step 2. bring cars to the market before proper regulations were a thing
Step 3. aggressively lobby and market that it’s the walkers fault for getting driven over
Step 4. actually win over public opinion somehowRacism. The Jays in jaywalking where probably immigrants with weird hats.
